The Best thing that ever happened to Eli Drinkwitz

[11WSChamps]

“None of it has anything to do with Drink in year 5”

Barry’s recruiting and roster foundation is what got Drink to year 5, as well as a number of other things that were very fortunate in his favor like the NIL legislation in the state of Missouri.

I will never understand fans who care enough to spend free time contributing to online forums while at the same time truly don’t really care about understanding the programs they’re fans of.

But if I’m being honest with myself, why would that surprise me when it’s just how people are about even far more important things than sports.

Yep definitely the same poster different name.

And it's still bull[shirt].

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A Barry Odom fan! How quaint. He's yesteryear's dreary news. The thing I remember most about him is that stupid tirade after getting blown out 51-14 in 2017 by Auburn at home. He went off on the "3rd string tackle at Rockbridge High." Too funny. And he went on and on about how this was a rebuild all of a sudden when he said no such thing preseason and painted a pretty picture.

And this poster is also on CT making condescending, outlandish posts. Irony seems lost on him. Somebody recognized him as the current iteration of a previous poster named Supreme.

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And the hiring of Moore was done by Drink, so it was not the best thing that ever happened TO him. He made a good call to turn things over to Moore.

[TheSolution]

A Barry Odom fan! How quaint. He's yesteryear's dreary news. The thing I remember most about him is that stupid tirade after getting blown out 51-14 in 2017 by Auburn at home. He went off on the "3rd string tackle at Rockbridge High." Too funny. And he went on and on about how this was a rebuild all of a sudden when he said no such thing preseason and painted a pretty picture.

And this poster is also on CT making condescending, outlandish posts. Irony seems lost on him. Somebody recognized him as the current iteration of a previous poster named Supreme.

Here’s a link to the post game presser you inaccurately recounted. https://youtu.be/Gh8BsuFaR2c?si=z5-1trKCimuZuniC

By the way, the team went on a 6 game winning streak shortly after this “we will win” speech and then won 8 games the following season.

>Mizzou was 1-7 and 5-7 overall in 2015, Pinkel’s final season
>Starting QB was doing cocaine before games and frequently doing it in front of others all over campus
>Teammates pulling guns on each other at parties
>HC drinking and partying problem
>Overall resulted in a toxic and selfish environment that set the stage for a nationally scrutinized player boycott
>Swastika painted on wall in a dorm etc
>Southpark and national media highlights Mizzou in an unprecedentedly unique negative spotlight, as that genre of issues was just emerging into society.

So, yes, it was a turnaround. Nobody should have been under any other interpretation.

Culturally more than anything it was a turnaround.

Which is what he describes in the speech, that his players are building a foundation of culture by doing things the right way and for the right reasons. Getting discipline, accountability and character back into the program and through that process Missouri Football would start to win again.

And they did, 6 straight before taking on Texas in a bowl game with a depleted roster of key targets, Emmanuel Hall being a big one that was limited as Drew Lock’s deep target.

Then they won 8 games the next season in 2018. Providing exciting, fast paced, record setting offensive play while the defensive specialist HC was still in the early stages of building the roster foundation for his defense which was still heavily filled with his guys into 2022 and 2023.

After graduating Lock, Barry won a national recruiting battle for Kelly Bryant out of Clemson, and in a ‘bridge-season’ at QB with a one-and-done highly sought after recruit the team had a couple bumps thanks to poor character issues with Bryant.

Maybe even more devastating to that 2019 team other than Bryant not living up to hype and being a bad teammate, was losing 2018 1st team all-SEC player Cale Garrett after just 5 games who was on pace for an All-American season in 2019. He was team captain, and field general of the defense at MLB, 1st team SEC and a likely All-American. Losing him after week 5 and the Bryant situating popping off at the same time was devastating. Still, the team managed a 6-6 record in a pre-NIL SEC that was loaded with the old southern guard still fully in place.

This is all completely true stuff and very relevant IF there’s any interest in understanding MIzzou Football.

[Flyboy65]

2018 1st team all-SEC player Cale Garrett after just 5 games who was on pace for an All-American season in 2019. He was team captain, and field general of the defense at MLB, 1st team SEC and a likely All-American. Losing him after week 5 and the Bryant situating popping off at the same time was devastating.

BO didn't identify, recruit, or want Garret at Mizzou, 4 days before national signing day Andy Hill finally checked on him. Garrett called it "a slap in the face" that Mizzou finally called him.

Garret was ranked 15th best player in the state of Missouri by Rivals, and lived 143 miles from Mizzou, yet your boy BO ignored him.

Only after BO couldn't land the recruits he wanted, they finally settled for Garrett.

https://www.columbiamissourian.com/spor ... 90c14.html

[winonsports]

I will never understand fans who care enough to spend free time contributing to online forums while at the same time truly don’t really care about understanding the programs they’re fans of.

The free time is a result of having nothing else to do and never being heard.

And they are not fans who support the programs financially and are only on this forum to badger the players and coaches

[hdhntr148]

You know this psychotic poster fixating on the worst HC MU has had in modern times and a total failure in coaching up his D which is his specialty. Sad that fool like this who has EDS probably also has TDS where he focuses on simply made up stupid stuff.

NO ONE CARES about the Odom era. in fairness to Barry who we liked as a player in their first year most newby HC's don't do very well and after he left he became much better, like most do. But here he hyped up his team biggly and then went out to WY and got spanked by a mediocre team. He lost games because of a poor D and hiring a idiot for a DC who was his buddy but didn't know what he was doing at that time.

Eli BAAs is a great players coach and girl dad who is a program builder in all aspects but the old actually scheming and game day decisions. But he finally recognized that he wasn't very good at what was supposed to be HIS specialty, running an offense and brought in a young smart guy who started strong but SUCKED last year. Ran a good attack against little sisters of the poor game last week lets see how he does against a outstanding HC and solid team this week. Jury is still out on Kirby hopefully he steps up and learns from his poor scheming and playcalling last year.

This is the year Eli needs to step it up and show the CFB world that he is a difference maker as HC.

as far as the dude living in a bizzaro world past of his own creation hopefully he gets the Mental Health treatment and drugs so he can move on to the much better present than being fixated on a broken and not good MU FB past. Barry has and has grown into his potential. You should try it.

[11WSChamps]

I will never understand fans who care enough to spend free time contributing to online forums while at the same time truly don’t really care about understanding the programs they’re fans of.

The free time is a result of having nothing else to do and never being heard.

And they are not fans who support the programs financially and are only on this forum to badger the players and coaches

Why don't you and your sock share a closet together.

You gutless (child born out of wedlock).

[hangman]

Let me see if I understand Solution's premise correctly.

Odom did not benefit one bit from the roster that Pinkel left him but Drink has only been able to do what he has done because of Odom's fabulous recruiting.

Am I right?

[TheSolution]

Let me see if I understand Solution's premise correctly.

Odom did not benefit one bit from the roster that Pinkel left him but Drink has only been able to do what he has done because of Odom's fabulous recruiting.

Am I right?

That’s not the premise and that’s not what has been said.

Absolutes, as you just created two of them, are usually inaccurate. I haven’t said and don’t believe Odom did not benefit “one bit” from Pinkel’s players and I didn’t say and don’t believe Drink’s only been successful because of Odom’s players.

[hangman]

Let me see if I understand Solution's premise correctly.

Odom did not benefit one bit from the roster that Pinkel left him but Drink has only been able to do what he has done because of Odom's fabulous recruiting.

Am I right?

That’s not the premise and that’s not what has been said.

Absolutes, as you just created two of them, are usually inaccurate. I haven’t said and don’t believe Odom did not benefit “one bit” from Pinkel’s players and I didn’t say and don’t believe Drink’s only been successful because of Odom’s players.

So you're back tracking now? Because it WAS you who said 85% of Drink's defense was Barry's guys. I guess if you want to nit-pick then you're right. Drink should only get 15% credit for his first 4 years because of the outstanding (at least in your mind) job that Odom did.

[TheSolution]

You know this psychotic poster fixating on the worst HC MU has had in modern times and a total failure in coaching up his D which is his specialty

Barry obviously isn’t the worst coach in Mizzou’s modern times. That’s an unreadable statement that I assume is sarcasm and exaggerated for effect.

For fun we’ll take a look, Barry was 25-25 after taking over one of the most unprecedented situations in college football and a team that went 1-7 in the SEC in 2015 under Pinkel.

Barry got his team above .500 in year 2 and then won 8 games in year 3. And in an era with no NIL to lure in-state players or transfer portal to flip a bad culture quickly.

It took Drink until year 4 to break the .500 barrier and a huge part of it was the defensive core that had matured from HS signees to upper classmen on defense, NIL, AND of course the decision to hire an OC after 3 years of sub .500 play as he failed in every conceivable way as a coordinator.

Gary Pinkel didn’t have a winning record in the Big12 until year 7!

Bob Stull went 15-38.

here he hyped up his team biggly and then went out to WY and got spanked by a mediocre team. He lost games because of a poor D and hiring an idiot for a DC who was his buddy but didn't know what he was doing at that time.

Mizzou won coming off an 8 win season in 2018 and a big national recruiting battle victory for prized Clemson QB Kelly Bryant and a 1st Team All-SEC captain at MLB on defense. It’s a shame Kelly Bryant, who lots of teams would have welcomed at QB1 that year, turned out to be a very bad teammate and the teams primarily leader and most important cog on defense at MLB who was on pace for an All-American season with 2 SEC Defensive Player Of The Week awards in 5 weeks was lost for the season in week 5. The team still managed to go 6-6 in a transition/bridge year at QB and missing its most important player on defense.

Eli finally recognized that he wasn't very good at what was supposed to be HIS specialty, running an offense and brought in a young smart guy.

After 3 seasons under .500 with many eye-test moments that Drink failed as the OC he hired someone who could do what he so desperately wanted to build his coaching brand around — like a Gus Malzahn (mentor).

Barry was dealing with a national spotlight of racism at the University of Missouri that resulted in dorms closing because of lack of enrollment, so he hired two young black DC’s in his 4 years that he would obviously heavily oversee as a veteran DC himself. Knocking him for hiring these guys shows some ignorance to the overall situation. One could praise Barry for using a fast, record breaking offense to help entertain fans and bring excitement to a program that needed it (ala HR era in MLB after lockout killed fan interest) and at the expense of not making life easy on a defense that needed an overhaul of talent to match the intended schemes of Odom.

as far as the dude living in a bizzaro world past of his own creation

If anything that I’ve shared isn’t true, accurate or reasonable please point those specific things out.

Hope you all have had a great Labor Day weekend.

MIZ

[TheSolution]

Let me see if I understand Solution's premise correctly.

Odom did not benefit one bit from the roster that Pinkel left him but Drink has only been able to do what he has done because of Odom's fabulous recruiting.

Am I right?

That’s not the premise and that’s not what has been said.

Absolutes, as you just created two of them, are usually inaccurate. I haven’t said and don’t believe Odom did not benefit “one bit” from Pinkel’s players and I didn’t say and don’t believe Drink’s only been successful because of Odom’s players.

So you're back tracking now? Because it WAS you who said 85% of Drink's defense was Barry's guys. I guess if you want to nit-pick then you're right. Drink should only get 15% credit for his first 4 years because of the outstanding (at least in your mind) job that Odom did.

That’s not a reasonable take at all.

Here’s why, aside from the obvious that I gave another reason in the original message aside from what he inherited on defense.

The percentage of players on defense in that example isn’t the basis for such a point one way or the other.

I almost can’t believe someone would conjure up such an attempted point but I’ll try to undress it and bring some clarity for you.

I also think Drink benefited from a cultural foundation that Barry worked really hard to eradicate the old and replace with new, that’s very hard to quantify into percentages.

I think Drink benefited from NIL, especially with the state legislation that gave Mizzou a bit of an edge for in-state talent.

Drink benefited from the ‘re-fresh’ that Mizzou didn’t really get with Barry who was internal. As CFB fans Mizzou people had gone like 20 years without the fun of a splash hire and the hope and fun that goes with that. Look around and we can see this almost becomes addictive for certain programs as they spend decades looking for the right fit and timing to take off. Momentum, excitement and perception are vital to the launch of a coach at an institution. Drink had a backed up, pent up fan base that was really pumped for something fresh and it really helped cover up the first 3 years not breaking over .500

There’s a lot of things Drink benefited from and did well on his own accord, in terms of matching the energy of the modern troll-ish behavior formed in this tweeter era and is aligned with the time for better and worse.

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Let me see if I understand Solution's premise correctly.

Odom did not benefit one bit from the roster that Pinkel left him but Drink has only been able to do what he has done because of Odom's fabulous recruiting.

Am I right?

That’s not the premise and that’s not what has been said.

Absolutes, as you just created two of them, are usually inaccurate. I haven’t said and don’t believe Odom did not benefit “one bit” from Pinkel’s players and I didn’t say and don’t believe Drink’s only been successful because of Odom’s players.

So you're back tracking now? Because it WAS you who said 85% of Drink's defense was Barry's guys. I guess if you want to nit-pick then you're right. Drink should only get 15% credit for his first 4 years because of the outstanding (at least in your mind) job that Odom did.

That’s not a reasonable take at all.

Here’s why, aside from the obvious that I gave another reason in the original message aside from what he inherited on defense.

The percentage of players on defense in that example isn’t the basis for such a point one way or the other.

I almost can’t believe someone would conjure up such an attempted point but I’ll try to undress it and bring some clarity for you.

I also think Drink benefited from a cultural foundation that Barry worked really hard to eradicate the old and replace with new, that’s very hard to quantify into percentages.

I think Drink benefited from NIL, especially with the state legislation that gave Mizzou a bit of an edge for in-state talent.

Drink benefited from the ‘re-fresh’ that Mizzou didn’t really get with Barry who was internal. As CFB fans Mizzou people had gone like 20 years without the fun of a splash hire and the hope and fun that goes with that. Look around and we can see this almost becomes addictive for certain programs as they spend decades looking for the right fit and timing to take off. Momentum, excitement and perception are vital to the launch of a coach at an institution. Drink had a backed up, pent up fan base that was really pumped for something fresh and it really helped cover up the first 3 years not breaking over .500

There’s a lot of things Drink benefited from and did well on his own accord, in terms of matching the energy of the modern troll-ish behavior formed in this tweeter era and is aligned with the time for better and worse.

This guy is going to break his keyboard.

[11WSChamps]

You know this psychotic poster fixating on the worst HC MU has had in modern times and a total failure in coaching up his D which is his specialty

Barry obviously isn’t the worst coach in Mizzou’s modern times. That’s an unreadable statement that I assume is sarcasm and exaggerated for effect.

For fun we’ll take a look, Barry was 25-25 after taking over one of the most unprecedented situations in college football and a team that went 1-7 in the SEC in 2015 under Pinkel.

Barry got his team above .500 in year 2 and then won 8 games in year 3. And in an era with no NIL to lure in-state players or transfer portal to flip a bad culture quickly.

It took Drink until year 4 to break the .500 barrier and a huge part of it was the defensive core that had matured from HS signees to upper classmen on defense, NIL, AND of course the decision to hire an OC after 3 years of sub .500 play as he failed in every conceivable way as a coordinator.

Gary Pinkel didn’t have a winning record in the Big12 until year 7!

Bob Stull went 15-38.

here he hyped up his team biggly and then went out to WY and got spanked by a mediocre team. He lost games because of a poor D and hiring an idiot for a DC who was his buddy but didn't know what he was doing at that time.

Mizzou won coming off an 8 win season in 2018 and a big national recruiting battle victory for prized Clemson QB Kelly Bryant and a 1st Team All-SEC captain at MLB on defense. It’s a shame Kelly Bryant, who lots of teams would have welcomed at QB1 that year, turned out to be a very bad teammate and the teams primarily leader and most important cog on defense at MLB who was on pace for an All-American season with 2 SEC Defensive Player Of The Week awards in 5 weeks was lost for the season in week 5. The team still managed to go 6-6 in a transition/bridge year at QB and missing its most important player on defense.

Eli finally recognized that he wasn't very good at what was supposed to be HIS specialty, running an offense and brought in a young smart guy.

After 3 seasons under .500 with many eye-test moments that Drink failed as the OC he hired someone who could do what he so desperately wanted to build his coaching brand around — like a Gus Malzahn (mentor).

Barry was dealing with a national spotlight of racism at the University of Missouri that resulted in dorms closing because of lack of enrollment, so he hired two young black DC’s in his 4 years that he would obviously heavily oversee as a veteran DC himself. Knocking him for hiring these guys shows some ignorance to the overall situation. One could praise Barry for using a fast, record breaking offense to help entertain fans and bring excitement to a program that needed it (ala HR era in MLB after lockout killed fan interest) and at the expense of not making life easy on a defense that needed an overhaul of talent to match the intended schemes of Odom.

as far as the dude living in a bizzaro world past of his own creation

If anything that I’ve shared isn’t true, accurate or reasonable please point those specific things out.

Hope you all have had a great Labor Day weekend.

MIZ

You are without question full of [shirt].

I don't need to write multiple amounts of paragraphs explaining to anyone why.

[hangman]

Solution sure likes to cherry pick his stats.

And, when he's called on it, he conveniently changes the parameters.