The Best thing that ever happened to Eli Drinkwitz

[Caregiver1]

As we watch the Seconds tic down on what appears to be an epic loss by the vaunted Texas Manningites to Just for Men Beard Coloring. Eliah learned to put his ego in check. Which is difficult to do for someone making 9 million plus per year and hire an OC. Texas needs to Fire their OC. H'mmmm could that be. Sark needs to let go of the reigns. That is what is killing the Manngites. Not the Manningites themselves. Moore may not be the answer but when a coach like Sark has more resources than God himself how can you mess this up like he did today.

I may be a bit premature as Sark finally opened up the offense to Wingo after 3 qtrs and they score with 3 min left .

But watching this team is a joke and yes Mighty Mizzou would kick their behind today the way the Manningites OC calls the game

[11WSChamps]

Typical Texas.

All hat no cattle.

[Caregiver1]

Its unfortunate that Zark can't see he is directly responsible for Mannings struggles today. We saw very little role out action off the Run or Pass option. He played vanilla throughout. When you do that then your Oline better open holes for the running game. As the Offense against a Good Defensive team will fall apart. Why put your QB in that situation. This L is on Zark

[onemizzou]

I thought Manning played poorly. Several bad throws, a few bad decisions. Not an elite talent from what I saw today. He's in his third year in the program too.

[hdhntr148]

The OSU DC is one of best in Football and he had his guys disguising the D and then changing into something else when ball snapped. confused the young QB but Zark's pay calls were simply awful. Needed to do what LSU did and keep it short and simple giving his QB confidence. Manning had worst day of inaccurate throws in many years for TX not just when he moved but when he had his feet set. Looked really ordinary and when he took off he wasn't much either.

OSU didn't ask their guy who is JAG and nothing special to do too much, don't turnover the ball and hit the easier passes mostly shorter in length. they were simply better prepared and in flow of game coached up their guys better. These were the Two most expensive rosters BAA's in CFB.

Great point that like Eli zark needs to go hire a better OC who is a better schemer and playcaller.

[rezero]

Its unfortunate that Zark can't see he is directly responsible for Mannings struggles today. We saw very little roll out action off the Run or Pass option. He played vanilla throughout. When you do that then your Oline better open holes for the running game. As the Offense against a Good Defensive team will fall apart. Why put your QB in that situation. This L is on Zark

Caregiver, the one thing to remember is they tried 3 rollout play action passes in the first half and Manning overthrew one, way underthrew one, and threw a pick. He may have concerns that Manning struggles throughout on the run and was trying to put him in the pocket more. We can blame the coaches all day, but in the end Manning played like trash.

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Its unfortunate that Zark can't see he is directly responsible for Mannings struggles today. We saw very little roll out action off the Run or Pass option. He played vanilla throughout. When you do that then your Oline better open holes for the running game. As the Offense against a Good Defensive team will fall apart. Why put your QB in that situation. This L is on Zark

Caregiver, the one thing to remember is they tried 3 rollout play action passes in the first half and Manning overthrew one, way underthrew one, and threw a pick. He may have concerns that Manning struggles throughout on the run and was trying to put him in the pocket more. We can blame the coaches all day, but in the end Manning played like trash.

Too many people have bought the extreme hype about Arch because of the name on the back of his uniform. Let him accomplish some things first. And I'm sure he will play better. He needs to. That last series of downs was terrible, and it was not Sark's fault. He threw one pass at his receiver's feet into the ground and another one to Wingo that was way behind him. Texas had a chance to tie the game, and he flat out blew it.

[dhsux]

I tend to agree. I'm sure the coaching job was sub par but so was Manning in many aspects of that game.

I haven't followed him much I get he's still young but he is not and has not been elite to this point in his career yet people talk like he is.

And he's played his part in all of that as well.

[11WSChamps]

Texas was ranked number one and Manning is the kids last name and plays QB.

So for the talking heads that was the narrative for week one with a huge opener against the defending champions.

Now we're into week two and the narrative will be different and Texas and it's QB will be out of the spotlight for now.

And the beat goes on.

[TheSolution]

The best thing to happen to Drink is gems like Isiah McGuire all over the field, particularly on defense, that Barry Odom identified, recruited and brought to Columbia.

Even your forum-posting level committed Mizzou fans had no idea like 85% of the defense was Barry’s 3 and 4 years after he left.

Doesn’t hurt to have a player like Burden, an obvious stay-at-home case, just like Sheldon Richardson.

Doesn’t hurt to get a head start on some NIL advantages with Missouri’s legislation decisions a few years ago.

We could discuss the ball spotting vs Vandy and what would have happened to his hall of mirrors had they dropped to them, and not just once but twice as they likely should have.

Drink benefited from a convergence of so many things and to his credit he’s a politician, in the good and the bad ways. He’s not a genuine person but knows how to make it seem like he might be to those with poor vision of character. He’s managed perception, managed the narrative through manipulation but that’s what has made this work.

We can look at his extreme reaction to getting the Rakestraw commitment when he first took the job. People that know people inside the program know that Barry identified him when he had no offers, got a commitment but the kid wanted a traditional signing day moment so the commitment was held off until signing day, a day Drink would be in office, not Barry. He basically trolled the man he took the job from. People that know, know.

[Barksdale's People]

The best thing to happen to Drink is gems like Isiah McGuire all over the field, particularly on defense, that Barry Odom identified, recruited and brought to Columbia.

Even your forum-posting level committed Mizzou fans had no idea like 85% of the defense was Barry’s 3 and 4 years after he left.

Doesn’t hurt to have a player like Burden, an obvious stay-at-home case, just like Sheldon Richardson.

Doesn’t hurt to get a head start on some NIL advantages with Missouri’s legislation decisions a few years ago.

We could discuss the ball spotting vs Vandy and what would have happened to his hall of mirrors had they dropped to them, and not just once but twice as they likely should have.

Drink benefited from a convergence of so many things and to his credit he’s a politician, in the good and the bad ways. He’s not a genuine person but knows how to make it seem like he might be to those with poor vision of character. He’s managed perception, managed the narrative through manipulation but that’s what has made this work.

We can look at his extreme reaction to getting the Rakestraw commitment when he first took the job. People that know people inside the program know that Barry identified him when he had no offers, got a commitment but the kid wanted a traditional signing day moment so the commitment was held off until signing day, a day Drink would be in office, not Barry. He basically trolled the man he took the job from. People that know, know.

Yea, I too pine for the days of losing to Wyoming and Mid Tennessee St.

[TheSolution]

The best thing to happen to Drink is gems like Isiah McGuire all over the field, particularly on defense, that Barry Odom identified, recruited and brought to Columbia.

Even your forum-posting level committed Mizzou fans had no idea like 85% of the defense was Barry’s 3 and 4 years after he left.

Doesn’t hurt to have a player like Burden, an obvious stay-at-home case, just like Sheldon Richardson.

Doesn’t hurt to get a head start on some NIL advantages with Missouri’s legislation decisions a few years ago.

We could discuss the ball spotting vs Vandy and what would have happened to his hall of mirrors had they dropped to them, and not just once but twice as they likely should have.

Drink benefited from a convergence of so many things and to his credit he’s a politician, in the good and the bad ways. He’s not a genuine person but knows how to make it seem like he might be to those with poor vision of character. He’s managed perception, managed the narrative through manipulation but that’s what has made this work.

We can look at his extreme reaction to getting the Rakestraw commitment when he first took the job. People that know people inside the program know that Barry identified him when he had no offers, got a commitment but the kid wanted a traditional signing day moment so the commitment was held off until signing day, a day Drink would be in office, not Barry. He basically trolled the man he took the job from. People that know, know.

Yea, I too pine for the days of losing to Wyoming and Mid Tennessee St.

I’m not interested in wasting my free time trying to change anyone’s mind. I’ll enjoy saying what I feel is true when I stop by. I’m saying that because I don’t really care what you’re going to reply to this, I know what is true and right and if people don’t want to gain understanding that’s on them.

If you, as a Mizzou fan, haven’t already comprehended or understood the unprecedented and totally unique situation Barry stepped into post-Pinkel then there’s no helping.

The entire state of Missouri, Mizzou fans and non-fan residents, hated Mizzou the day Barry took over thanks to a situation that is already fairly memory-holed and has for sure been desensitized now that ‘woke’ incidents became far more common. A huge amount of life-long fans, alums, current students and high school recruits collectively turned their backs to Mizzou for years. They had to close dorms. It was a disaster of far more epic proportion than is accounted for today. The fact those types of incidents and that topic in general became more common across our society was a major benefit to Mizzou healing.

Just from a simple observation, one man took over a disaster with no support, the other took over a solid built foundation of culture and roster with a new ability to pay players and a state legislation that jumped ahead of the national landscape to give a unique advantage with in-state players.

It’s not currently worth ragging on Drink, it all is what it is.

But if you’re an actual Mizzou fan that cares enough to post online you should be expected to know a lot more than what most of these people know about Mizzou and that period.

Everything is really inverted, it’s sad. People say he couldn’t recruit, yet his recruiting was essential to Eli taking off here at Mizzou with players most Mizzou fans would have never guessed were Barry’s (see game changers like McGuire 3-4 years post Barry). Ironically, and one of the sadder parts of Barry’s tenure, is he won a national recruiting battle for a high profile QB transfer out of Clemson. He won that recruiting battle against other big schools. And let’s say the quiet part out loud, he brought in a black QB and that was important at the time. The horribly ironic thing is this QB wrecked the team from the inside out, if you know you know. The very first meeting of my college career we were told to not steal someone’s girlfriend. That’s what he did. It cost them a game vs Vandy and ultimately the fan support.

The topic is almost too big with too many chapters and angles to discuss.

We could go into the culture of guns being pulled on teammates, starting quarterback running around high on cocaine on his scooter, doing lines on game days etc. That’s a culture of a guy who just got another DUI, who was partying at the lake way too much in his final years. I love Pinkel, my family loves him, we support him and appreciate the loyalty he had to Mizzou while growing the program but the reality is he has some flaws in his personal life and it bled into his football program in the final years. The task to change culture of a program with 100 teenage kids pre-transfer portal era is not an easy job.

Pretty much every narrative on Barry is inverted and it will always be that way. It is what it is.

[11WSChamps]

The best thing to happen to Drink is gems like Isiah McGuire all over the field, particularly on defense, that Barry Odom identified, recruited and brought to Columbia.

Even your forum-posting level committed Mizzou fans had no idea like 85% of the defense was Barry’s 3 and 4 years after he left.

Doesn’t hurt to have a player like Burden, an obvious stay-at-home case, just like Sheldon Richardson.

Doesn’t hurt to get a head start on some NIL advantages with Missouri’s legislation decisions a few years ago.

We could discuss the ball spotting vs Vandy and what would have happened to his hall of mirrors had they dropped to them, and not just once but twice as they likely should have.

Drink benefited from a convergence of so many things and to his credit he’s a politician, in the good and the bad ways. He’s not a genuine person but knows how to make it seem like he might be to those with poor vision of character. He’s managed perception, managed the narrative through manipulation but that’s what has made this work.

We can look at his extreme reaction to getting the Rakestraw commitment when he first took the job. People that know people inside the program know that Barry identified him when he had no offers, got a commitment but the kid wanted a traditional signing day moment so the commitment was held off until signing day, a day Drink would be in office, not Barry. He basically trolled the man he took the job from. People that know, know.

Yea, I too pine for the days of losing to Wyoming and Mid Tennessee St.

I’m not interested in wasting my free time trying to change anyone’s mind. I’ll enjoy saying what I feel is true when I stop by. I’m saying that because I don’t really care what you’re going to reply to this, I know what is true and right and if people don’t want to gain understanding that’s on them.

If you, as a Mizzou fan, haven’t already comprehended or understood the unprecedented and totally unique situation Barry stepped into post-Pinkel then there’s no helping.

The entire state of Missouri, Mizzou fans and non-fan residents, hated Mizzou the day Barry took over thanks to a situation that is already fairly memory-holed and has for sure been desensitized now that ‘woke’ incidents became far more common. A huge amount of life-long fans, alums, current students and high school recruits collectively turned their backs to Mizzou for years. They had to close dorms. It was a disaster of far more epic proportion than is accounted for today. The fact those types of incidents and that topic in general became more common across our society was a major benefit to Mizzou healing.

Just from a simple observation, one man took over a disaster with no support, the other took over a solid built foundation of culture and roster with a new ability to pay players and a state legislation that jumped ahead of the national landscape to give a unique advantage with in-state players.

It’s not currently worth ragging on Drink, it all is what it is.

But if you’re an actual Mizzou fan that cares enough to post online you should be expected to know a lot more than what most of these people know about Mizzou and that period.

Everything is really inverted, it’s sad. People say he couldn’t recruit, yet his recruiting was essential to Eli taking off here at Mizzou with players most Mizzou fans would have never guessed were Barry’s (see game changers like McGuire 3-4 years post Barry). Ironically, and one of the sadder parts of Barry’s tenure, is he won a national recruiting battle for a high profile QB transfer out of Clemson. He won that recruiting battle against other big schools. And let’s say the quiet part out loud, he brought in a black QB and that was important at the time. The horribly ironic thing is this QB wrecked the team from the inside out, if you know you know. The very first meeting of my college career we were told to not steal someone’s girlfriend. That’s what he did. It cost them a game vs Vandy and ultimately the fan support.

The topic is almost too big with too many chapters and angles to discuss.

We could go into the culture of guns being pulled on teammates, starting quarterback running around high on cocaine on his scooter, doing lines on game days etc. That’s a culture of a guy who just got another DUI, who was partying at the lake way too much in his final years. I love Pinkel, my family loves him, we support him and appreciate the loyalty he had to Mizzou while growing the program but the reality is he has some flaws in his personal life and it bled into his football program in the final years. The task to change culture of a program with 100 teenage kids pre-transfer portal era is not an easy job.

Pretty much every narrative on Barry is inverted and it will always be that way. It is what it is.

Glad you decided not to try and change anybodys mind.

You sound like a sock of another or long ago poster who kept referring to the 2015 [nonsense] (and that's exactly what it was).

It was bogus then and it's [nonsense] now.

Run along.

[Barksdale's People]

The best thing to happen to Drink is gems like Isiah McGuire all over the field, particularly on defense, that Barry Odom identified, recruited and brought to Columbia.

Even your forum-posting level committed Mizzou fans had no idea like 85% of the defense was Barry’s 3 and 4 years after he left.

Doesn’t hurt to have a player like Burden, an obvious stay-at-home case, just like Sheldon Richardson.

Doesn’t hurt to get a head start on some NIL advantages with Missouri’s legislation decisions a few years ago.

We could discuss the ball spotting vs Vandy and what would have happened to his hall of mirrors had they dropped to them, and not just once but twice as they likely should have.

Drink benefited from a convergence of so many things and to his credit he’s a politician, in the good and the bad ways. He’s not a genuine person but knows how to make it seem like he might be to those with poor vision of character. He’s managed perception, managed the narrative through manipulation but that’s what has made this work.

We can look at his extreme reaction to getting the Rakestraw commitment when he first took the job. People that know people inside the program know that Barry identified him when he had no offers, got a commitment but the kid wanted a traditional signing day moment so the commitment was held off until signing day, a day Drink would be in office, not Barry. He basically trolled the man he took the job from. People that know, know.

Yea, I too pine for the days of losing to Wyoming and Mid Tennessee St.

I’m not interested in wasting my free time trying to change anyone’s mind. I’ll enjoy saying what I feel is true when I stop by. I’m saying that because I don’t really care what you’re going to reply to this, I know what is true and right and if people don’t want to gain understanding that’s on them.

If you, as a Mizzou fan, haven’t already comprehended or understood the unprecedented and totally unique situation Barry stepped into post-Pinkel then there’s no helping.

The entire state of Missouri, Mizzou fans and non-fan residents, hated Mizzou the day Barry took over thanks to a situation that is already fairly memory-holed and has for sure been desensitized now that ‘woke’ incidents became far more common. A huge amount of life-long fans, alums, current students and high school recruits collectively turned their backs to Mizzou for years. They had to close dorms. It was a disaster of far more epic proportion than is accounted for today. The fact those types of incidents and that topic in general became more common across our society was a major benefit to Mizzou healing.

Just from a simple observation, one man took over a disaster with no support, the other took over a solid built foundation of culture and roster with a new ability to pay players and a state legislation that jumped ahead of the national landscape to give a unique advantage with in-state players.

It’s not currently worth ragging on Drink, it all is what it is.

But if you’re an actual Mizzou fan that cares enough to post online you should be expected to know a lot more than what most of these people know about Mizzou and that period.

Everything is really inverted, it’s sad. People say he couldn’t recruit, yet his recruiting was essential to Eli taking off here at Mizzou with players most Mizzou fans would have never guessed were Barry’s (see game changers like McGuire 3-4 years post Barry). Ironically, and one of the sadder parts of Barry’s tenure, is he won a national recruiting battle for a high profile QB transfer out of Clemson. He won that recruiting battle against other big schools. And let’s say the quiet part out loud, he brought in a black QB and that was important at the time. The horribly ironic thing is this QB wrecked the team from the inside out, if you know you know. The very first meeting of my college career we were told to not steal someone’s girlfriend. That’s what he did. It cost them a game vs Vandy and ultimately the fan support.

The topic is almost too big with too many chapters and angles to discuss.

We could go into the culture of guns being pulled on teammates, starting quarterback running around high on cocaine on his scooter, doing lines on game days etc. That’s a culture of a guy who just got another DUI, who was partying at the lake way too much in his final years. I love Pinkel, my family loves him, we support him and appreciate the loyalty he had to Mizzou while growing the program but the reality is he has some flaws in his personal life and it bled into his football program in the final years. The task to change culture of a program with 100 teenage kids pre-transfer portal era is not an easy job.

Pretty much every narrative on Barry is inverted and it will always be that way. It is what it is.

Well that’s good, because I’m not interested in reading a big long explanation.

Odom had his chance here and it wasn’t good enough. I’m sure the reasons why are plentiful and include things both within and out of his control.

None of that has anything to do with Eli Drinkwitz in year 6.

[TheSolution]

“None of it has anything to do with Drink in year 5”

Barry’s recruiting and roster foundation is what got Drink to year 5, as well as a number of other things that were very fortunate in his favor like the NIL legislation in the state of Missouri.

I will never understand fans who care enough to spend free time contributing to online forums while at the same time truly don’t really care about understanding the programs they’re fans of.

But if I’m being honest with myself, why would that surprise me when it’s just how people are about even far more important things than sports.

[Barksdale's People]

“None of it has anything to do with Drink in year 5”

Barry’s recruiting and roster foundation is what got Drink to year 5, as well as a number of other things that were very fortunate in his favor like the NIL legislation in the state of Missouri.

And your post is a huge part of the problem with these types of communication mediums. My efforts to write that post were in response to someone and that dialogue fit within that conversation.

It’s one of many unfortunate flaws to these forums.

Yes, it was in response to me. You quoted me in fact. Which is why I replied.

Have a nice day Ms. Odom.