Not surprising that I think people are innocent until proven guilty? No it shouldn’t surprise anyone. I’m kind of surprised more people don’t believe in innocent until proven guiltyalw80 wrote: ↑29 Aug 2025 18:52 pmNot surprising.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑29 Aug 2025 18:44 pmThat’s your opinion everyone was stained equally. Stained equally in your mind not in everyone’s. I believe in innocent until proven guilty bonds and McGwire admitted they used. If some one shows me some proof Pujols used I’ll use it im not going to listen to some nut who says on line oh pujols used sure I have no proof I’m just saying something without a shred of proof or someone who says you should believe everyone used just because McGwire and bonds used that’s crazy. Innocent until proven guilty not guilty until proven innocent I say. If you want to believe everyone is guilty because bonds cheated and McGwire that’s cool but I don’t. And no I disagree that because some are guilty that means everyone is guilty it’s silly and makes no sensealw80 wrote: ↑29 Aug 2025 12:06 pmEveryone is stained equally therefore it doesn't matter. Do APs accomplishments mean more? You know for a fact he never cheated? We have to assume they were all cheaters.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑29 Aug 2025 10:12 amWhat difference does that make? He’s the best cheater so what that doesn’t mean anything it just means he was the best of the cheaters his accomplishments mean nothingalw80 wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 18:23 pmIn a league of cheaters.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 17:27 pmAn amazing cheateralw80 wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 15:22 pmBonds was amazing, cant really gripe about those.Bully4you wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 11:44 am Lost out to Barry Bonds 3 times.
Lost out to Votto in 2010.
I think he should be retroactively given the three MVP's lost to Bonds.
The Votto loss is ridiculous too.
Votto playing in Cincinnati too easy to hit there.
Just a complete scam.
Pujols always had excellent seasons with Cardinals.
Tough ballpark to hit in.
Just a shame.
Albert Pujols got gypped--Should have 7 MVP's
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Re: Albert Pujols got gypped--Should have 7 MVP's
Re: Albert Pujols got gypped--Should have 7 MVP's
This isn't a court of law so that doesnt apply.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑29 Aug 2025 18:55 pmNot surprising that I think people are innocent until proven guilty? No it shouldn’t surprise anyone. I’m kind of surprised more people don’t believe in innocent until proven guiltyalw80 wrote: ↑29 Aug 2025 18:52 pmNot surprising.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑29 Aug 2025 18:44 pmThat’s your opinion everyone was stained equally. Stained equally in your mind not in everyone’s. I believe in innocent until proven guilty bonds and McGwire admitted they used. If some one shows me some proof Pujols used I’ll use it im not going to listen to some nut who says on line oh pujols used sure I have no proof I’m just saying something without a shred of proof or someone who says you should believe everyone used just because McGwire and bonds used that’s crazy. Innocent until proven guilty not guilty until proven innocent I say. If you want to believe everyone is guilty because bonds cheated and McGwire that’s cool but I don’t. And no I disagree that because some are guilty that means everyone is guilty it’s silly and makes no sensealw80 wrote: ↑29 Aug 2025 12:06 pmEveryone is stained equally therefore it doesn't matter. Do APs accomplishments mean more? You know for a fact he never cheated? We have to assume they were all cheaters.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑29 Aug 2025 10:12 amWhat difference does that make? He’s the best cheater so what that doesn’t mean anything it just means he was the best of the cheaters his accomplishments mean nothingalw80 wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 18:23 pmIn a league of cheaters.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 17:27 pmAn amazing cheateralw80 wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 15:22 pmBonds was amazing, cant really gripe about those.Bully4you wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 11:44 am Lost out to Barry Bonds 3 times.
Lost out to Votto in 2010.
I think he should be retroactively given the three MVP's lost to Bonds.
The Votto loss is ridiculous too.
Votto playing in Cincinnati too easy to hit there.
Just a complete scam.
Pujols always had excellent seasons with Cardinals.
Tough ballpark to hit in.
Just a shame.
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Re: Albert Pujols got gypped--Should have 7 MVP's
Well that’s how I like to think. Why should I just believe pujols used? U say what proof is there he didn’t use I say what proof is there he used? You want me to believe in conspiracy theories and believe things without proof that’s crazy to me. But hey that’s your opinion and it’s cool I just disagree that people should believe in things without any proofalw80 wrote: ↑29 Aug 2025 18:56 pmThis isn't a court of law so that doesnt apply.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑29 Aug 2025 18:55 pmNot surprising that I think people are innocent until proven guilty? No it shouldn’t surprise anyone. I’m kind of surprised more people don’t believe in innocent until proven guiltyalw80 wrote: ↑29 Aug 2025 18:52 pmNot surprising.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑29 Aug 2025 18:44 pmThat’s your opinion everyone was stained equally. Stained equally in your mind not in everyone’s. I believe in innocent until proven guilty bonds and McGwire admitted they used. If some one shows me some proof Pujols used I’ll use it im not going to listen to some nut who says on line oh pujols used sure I have no proof I’m just saying something without a shred of proof or someone who says you should believe everyone used just because McGwire and bonds used that’s crazy. Innocent until proven guilty not guilty until proven innocent I say. If you want to believe everyone is guilty because bonds cheated and McGwire that’s cool but I don’t. And no I disagree that because some are guilty that means everyone is guilty it’s silly and makes no sensealw80 wrote: ↑29 Aug 2025 12:06 pmEveryone is stained equally therefore it doesn't matter. Do APs accomplishments mean more? You know for a fact he never cheated? We have to assume they were all cheaters.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑29 Aug 2025 10:12 amWhat difference does that make? He’s the best cheater so what that doesn’t mean anything it just means he was the best of the cheaters his accomplishments mean nothingalw80 wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 18:23 pmIn a league of cheaters.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 17:27 pmAn amazing cheateralw80 wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 15:22 pmBonds was amazing, cant really gripe about those.Bully4you wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 11:44 am Lost out to Barry Bonds 3 times.
Lost out to Votto in 2010.
I think he should be retroactively given the three MVP's lost to Bonds.
The Votto loss is ridiculous too.
Votto playing in Cincinnati too easy to hit there.
Just a complete scam.
Pujols always had excellent seasons with Cardinals.
Tough ballpark to hit in.
Just a shame.
Re: Albert Pujols got gypped--Should have 7 MVP's
You can believe how you want and I will believe how I want. You dont have to believe he used but you cant rule it out. I dont know if he did but I dont know if he didnt so I cant just say the Bonds is a juicer therefore AP is more legit. You disagree that people should believe things without any proof yet you believe AP was clean without any proof. See how stupid this is? Thats why I cant just discount what Bonds did because its possibe (likely) that AP wasn't exactly clean either. We're talking the early 2000s which was like the wild west. At one time I was like you and totally anti Bonds and "juicers" but where do you draw the line? Theres plenty of guys who were never implicated that were juicing. Its silly to me to pick and choose who you think are legit and not.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑29 Aug 2025 19:08 pmWell that’s how I like to think. Why should I just believe pujols used? U say what proof is there he didn’t use I say what proof is there he used? You want me to believe in conspiracy theories and believe things without proof that’s crazy to me. But hey that’s your opinion and it’s cool I just disagree that people should believe in things without any proofalw80 wrote: ↑29 Aug 2025 18:56 pmThis isn't a court of law so that doesnt apply.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑29 Aug 2025 18:55 pmNot surprising that I think people are innocent until proven guilty? No it shouldn’t surprise anyone. I’m kind of surprised more people don’t believe in innocent until proven guiltyalw80 wrote: ↑29 Aug 2025 18:52 pmNot surprising.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑29 Aug 2025 18:44 pmThat’s your opinion everyone was stained equally. Stained equally in your mind not in everyone’s. I believe in innocent until proven guilty bonds and McGwire admitted they used. If some one shows me some proof Pujols used I’ll use it im not going to listen to some nut who says on line oh pujols used sure I have no proof I’m just saying something without a shred of proof or someone who says you should believe everyone used just because McGwire and bonds used that’s crazy. Innocent until proven guilty not guilty until proven innocent I say. If you want to believe everyone is guilty because bonds cheated and McGwire that’s cool but I don’t. And no I disagree that because some are guilty that means everyone is guilty it’s silly and makes no sensealw80 wrote: ↑29 Aug 2025 12:06 pmEveryone is stained equally therefore it doesn't matter. Do APs accomplishments mean more? You know for a fact he never cheated? We have to assume they were all cheaters.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑29 Aug 2025 10:12 amWhat difference does that make? He’s the best cheater so what that doesn’t mean anything it just means he was the best of the cheaters his accomplishments mean nothingalw80 wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 18:23 pmIn a league of cheaters.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 17:27 pmAn amazing cheateralw80 wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 15:22 pmBonds was amazing, cant really gripe about those.Bully4you wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 11:44 am Lost out to Barry Bonds 3 times.
Lost out to Votto in 2010.
I think he should be retroactively given the three MVP's lost to Bonds.
The Votto loss is ridiculous too.
Votto playing in Cincinnati too easy to hit there.
Just a complete scam.
Pujols always had excellent seasons with Cardinals.
Tough ballpark to hit in.
Just a shame.
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Re: Albert Pujols got gypped--Should have 7 MVP's
I believe in innocent until proven guilty I believe in proof before I believe something negatively about someone. I don’t pick and choose anything the ones there is proof they used I have zero respect for I have no respect for bonds or McGwire. If some one shows me proof pujols cheated I will lose respect for him but I’m not going to dislike and have no respect for all players past and present just because some cheated or are cheating. I’ll just disagree with your opinion all are guilty even though theres no proof and let you have the last wordalw80 wrote: ↑29 Aug 2025 19:18 pmYou can believe how you want and I will believe how I want. You dont have to believe he used but you cant rule it out. I dont know if he did but I dont know if he didnt so I cant just say the Bonds is a juicer therefore AP is more legit. You disagree that people should believe things without any proof yet you believe AP was clean without any proof. See how stupid this is? Thats why I cant just discount what Bonds did because its possibe (likely) that AP wasn't exactly clean either. We're talking the early 2000s which was like the wild west. At one time I was like you and totally anti Bonds and "juicers" but where do you draw the line? Theres plenty of guys who were never implicated that were juicing. Its silly to me to pick and choose who you think are legit and not.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑29 Aug 2025 19:08 pmWell that’s how I like to think. Why should I just believe pujols used? U say what proof is there he didn’t use I say what proof is there he used? You want me to believe in conspiracy theories and believe things without proof that’s crazy to me. But hey that’s your opinion and it’s cool I just disagree that people should believe in things without any proofalw80 wrote: ↑29 Aug 2025 18:56 pmThis isn't a court of law so that doesnt apply.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑29 Aug 2025 18:55 pmNot surprising that I think people are innocent until proven guilty? No it shouldn’t surprise anyone. I’m kind of surprised more people don’t believe in innocent until proven guiltyalw80 wrote: ↑29 Aug 2025 18:52 pmNot surprising.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑29 Aug 2025 18:44 pmThat’s your opinion everyone was stained equally. Stained equally in your mind not in everyone’s. I believe in innocent until proven guilty bonds and McGwire admitted they used. If some one shows me some proof Pujols used I’ll use it im not going to listen to some nut who says on line oh pujols used sure I have no proof I’m just saying something without a shred of proof or someone who says you should believe everyone used just because McGwire and bonds used that’s crazy. Innocent until proven guilty not guilty until proven innocent I say. If you want to believe everyone is guilty because bonds cheated and McGwire that’s cool but I don’t. And no I disagree that because some are guilty that means everyone is guilty it’s silly and makes no sensealw80 wrote: ↑29 Aug 2025 12:06 pmEveryone is stained equally therefore it doesn't matter. Do APs accomplishments mean more? You know for a fact he never cheated? We have to assume they were all cheaters.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑29 Aug 2025 10:12 amWhat difference does that make? He’s the best cheater so what that doesn’t mean anything it just means he was the best of the cheaters his accomplishments mean nothingalw80 wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 18:23 pmIn a league of cheaters.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 17:27 pmAn amazing cheateralw80 wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 15:22 pmBonds was amazing, cant really gripe about those.Bully4you wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 11:44 am Lost out to Barry Bonds 3 times.
Lost out to Votto in 2010.
I think he should be retroactively given the three MVP's lost to Bonds.
The Votto loss is ridiculous too.
Votto playing in Cincinnati too easy to hit there.
Just a complete scam.
Pujols always had excellent seasons with Cardinals.
Tough ballpark to hit in.
Just a shame.
Re: Albert Pujols got gypped--Should have 7 MVP's
OkOzziesfan41 wrote: ↑29 Aug 2025 19:31 pmI believe in innocent until proven guilty I believe in proof before I believe something negatively about someone. I don’t pick and choose anything the ones there is proof they used I have zero respect for I have no respect for bonds or McGwire. If some one shows me proof pujols cheated I will lose respect for him but I’m not going to dislike and have no respect for all players past and present just because some cheated or are cheating. I’ll just disagree with your opinion all are guilty without proof and let you have the last wordalw80 wrote: ↑29 Aug 2025 19:18 pmYou can believe how you want and I will believe how I want. You dont have to believe he used but you cant rule it out. I dont know if he did but I dont know if he didnt so I cant just say the Bonds is a juicer therefore AP is more legit. You disagree that people should believe things without any proof yet you believe AP was clean without any proof. See how stupid this is? Thats why I cant just discount what Bonds did because its possibe (likely) that AP wasn't exactly clean either. We're talking the early 2000s which was like the wild west. At one time I was like you and totally anti Bonds and "juicers" but where do you draw the line? Theres plenty of guys who were never implicated that were juicing. Its silly to me to pick and choose who you think are legit and not.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑29 Aug 2025 19:08 pmWell that’s how I like to think. Why should I just believe pujols used? U say what proof is there he didn’t use I say what proof is there he used? You want me to believe in conspiracy theories and believe things without proof that’s crazy to me. But hey that’s your opinion and it’s cool I just disagree that people should believe in things without any proofalw80 wrote: ↑29 Aug 2025 18:56 pmThis isn't a court of law so that doesnt apply.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑29 Aug 2025 18:55 pmNot surprising that I think people are innocent until proven guilty? No it shouldn’t surprise anyone. I’m kind of surprised more people don’t believe in innocent until proven guiltyalw80 wrote: ↑29 Aug 2025 18:52 pmNot surprising.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑29 Aug 2025 18:44 pmThat’s your opinion everyone was stained equally. Stained equally in your mind not in everyone’s. I believe in innocent until proven guilty bonds and McGwire admitted they used. If some one shows me some proof Pujols used I’ll use it im not going to listen to some nut who says on line oh pujols used sure I have no proof I’m just saying something without a shred of proof or someone who says you should believe everyone used just because McGwire and bonds used that’s crazy. Innocent until proven guilty not guilty until proven innocent I say. If you want to believe everyone is guilty because bonds cheated and McGwire that’s cool but I don’t. And no I disagree that because some are guilty that means everyone is guilty it’s silly and makes no sensealw80 wrote: ↑29 Aug 2025 12:06 pmEveryone is stained equally therefore it doesn't matter. Do APs accomplishments mean more? You know for a fact he never cheated? We have to assume they were all cheaters.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑29 Aug 2025 10:12 amWhat difference does that make? He’s the best cheater so what that doesn’t mean anything it just means he was the best of the cheaters his accomplishments mean nothing