For the Matheny haters

[Cranny]

Matheny was good at one thing as manager -- looking good on the cover of GQ. That's why he was hired in addition to being a certain yes man for Mozeliak. Certainly not for his brains or managerial know-how.

Do you think his cognitive powers were diluted by a number of concussions from home plate collisions, icon?

[ecleme22]

Cranny: “you say MM made bad bullpen moves, but maybe all the other pitchers were feeling sick. You nor I know.”

Ecleme - Do you know anyone in the Cardinals organization? Do you have any inside information?

He doesn’t. And neither do you.

Whatever you say, Rat.

Feel free to prove me wrong.

FWIW, Cranny likely does have acquaintances in or adjacent to the front office / ownership.

He’s not gonna “prove” it in any way that satiates your demand, but I’m familiar enough with Cranny to know he’s closer to that room than probably any other regular on the forum.

Suuuuure he does.

And, on the off chance he does, I guess it would explain the sycophancy.

It’s not an off chance. Seriously.

You don’t have to believe me, but I also have no reason to make it up.

Ol’ Friend, I believe you. And I’ve posted several times that to be so vehement in his defense of Mozo, Cranny must be connected with the FO, or be related to someone in the FO, or be friends with someone in the FO. I’ve derisively called him Mrs. Mozeliak in a couple of posts.

No normal Cardinal “just a fan” would be on here as much, blindly defending this incompetent organization.

Cranny isn't some insider. Maybe he knows one or two joe blows from his church.

Cranny doesn't defend Oli. He even said, when MM was fired, he didn't trust Oli.

Cranny didn't defend Fowler. In fact, he didn't like him and made that well known.

Cranny will do logic gymnastics to defend Matheny. To a lesser extent, Mo.

Cranny isn't a shill for the FO. He's just a Matheny lover.

I respected his toughness as a player. I respect what kind of person he is because I’ve met him. And I truly think he got the short end of the stick as far as the quality of players Mo brought in. And then was made a scapegoat. That’s all.

You "I respected his toughness as a player."
Me: "Okay, he won GG. I liked him as a Cardinal"

You: I respect what kind of person he is because I’ve met him.
Me: Who cares? He was a nice. Cool, dude.

You: And I truly think he got the short end of the stick as far as the quality of players Mo brought in.
Me: I agree. Matheny was at his best when he got rosters who just won the WS. Any other roster would show Matheny's lack of skills as a manager.

[Cranny]

Cranny: “you say MM made bad bullpen moves, but maybe all the other pitchers were feeling sick. You nor I know.”

Ecleme - Do you know anyone in the Cardinals organization? Do you have any inside information?

He doesn’t. And neither do you.

Whatever you say, Rat.

Feel free to prove me wrong.

FWIW, Cranny likely does have acquaintances in or adjacent to the front office / ownership.

He’s not gonna “prove” it in any way that satiates your demand, but I’m familiar enough with Cranny to know he’s closer to that room than probably any other regular on the forum.

Suuuuure he does.

And, on the off chance he does, I guess it would explain the sycophancy.

It’s not an off chance. Seriously.

You don’t have to believe me, but I also have no reason to make it up.

Ol’ Friend, I believe you. And I’ve posted several times that to be so vehement in his defense of Mozo, Cranny must be connected with the FO, or be related to someone in the FO, or be friends with someone in the FO. I’ve derisively called him Mrs. Mozeliak in a couple of posts.

No normal Cardinal “just a fan” would be on here as much, blindly defending this incompetent organization.

Cranny isn't some insider. Maybe he knows one or two joe blows from his church.

Cranny doesn't defend Oli. He even said, when MM was fired, he didn't trust Oli.

Cranny didn't defend Fowler. In fact, he didn't like him and made that well known.

Cranny will do logic gymnastics to defend Matheny. To a lesser extent, Mo.

Cranny isn't a shill for the FO. He's just a Matheny lover.

I respected his toughness as a player. I respect what kind of person he is because I’ve met him. And I truly think he got the short end of the stick as far as the quality of players Mo brought in. And then was made a scapegoat. That’s all.

You "I respected his toughness as a player."
Me: "Okay, he won GG. I liked him as a Cardinal"

You: I respect what kind of person he is because I’ve met him.
Me: Who cares? He was a nice. Cool, dude.

You: And I truly think he got the short end of the stick as far as the quality of players Mo brought in.
Me: I agree. Matheny was at his best when he got rosters who just won the WS. Any other roster would show Matheny's lack of skills as a manager.

Ecleme -
One time I attended a charity event and Matheny was the guest speaker. The fee for a speaker was $15,000. He donated that entire speaking fee to the charity. He easily could have used that money for his family. He was more than just “nice”.

I guess what triggered me on this thread is the thread’s subject. Hate is a strong word.

[ecleme22]

Ecleme - Do you know anyone in the Cardinals organization? Do you have any inside information?

He doesn’t. And neither do you.

Whatever you say, Rat.

Feel free to prove me wrong.

FWIW, Cranny likely does have acquaintances in or adjacent to the front office / ownership.

He’s not gonna “prove” it in any way that satiates your demand, but I’m familiar enough with Cranny to know he’s closer to that room than probably any other regular on the forum.

Suuuuure he does.

And, on the off chance he does, I guess it would explain the sycophancy.

It’s not an off chance. Seriously.

You don’t have to believe me, but I also have no reason to make it up.

Ol’ Friend, I believe you. And I’ve posted several times that to be so vehement in his defense of Mozo, Cranny must be connected with the FO, or be related to someone in the FO, or be friends with someone in the FO. I’ve derisively called him Mrs. Mozeliak in a couple of posts.

No normal Cardinal “just a fan” would be on here as much, blindly defending this incompetent organization.

Cranny isn't some insider. Maybe he knows one or two joe blows from his church.

Cranny doesn't defend Oli. He even said, when MM was fired, he didn't trust Oli.

Cranny didn't defend Fowler. In fact, he didn't like him and made that well known.

Cranny will do logic gymnastics to defend Matheny. To a lesser extent, Mo.

Cranny isn't a shill for the FO. He's just a Matheny lover.

I respected his toughness as a player. I respect what kind of person he is because I’ve met him. And I truly think he got the short end of the stick as far as the quality of players Mo brought in. And then was made a scapegoat. That’s all.

You "I respected his toughness as a player."
Me: "Okay, he won GG. I liked him as a Cardinal"

You: I respect what kind of person he is because I’ve met him.
Me: Who cares? He was a nice. Cool, dude.

You: And I truly think he got the short end of the stick as far as the quality of players Mo brought in.
Me: I agree. Matheny was at his best when he got rosters who just won the WS. Any other roster would show Matheny's lack of skills as a manager.

Ecleme -
One time I attended a charity event and Matheny was the guest speaker. The fee for a speaker was $15,000. He donated that entire speaking fee to the charity. He easily could have used that money for his family. He was more than just “nice”.

I guess what triggered me on this thread is the thread’s subject. Hate is a strong word.

And there it is (as if we didn’t know)

Cranny is sticking up for a guy he likes, not a manager he thinks was good.

[sdaltons]

Ecleme - Do you know anyone in the Cardinals organization? Do you have any inside information?

He doesn’t. And neither do you.

Whatever you say, Rat.

Feel free to prove me wrong.

FWIW, Cranny likely does have acquaintances in or adjacent to the front office / ownership.

He’s not gonna “prove” it in any way that satiates your demand, but I’m familiar enough with Cranny to know he’s closer to that room than probably any other regular on the forum.

Suuuuure he does.

And, on the off chance he does, I guess it would explain the sycophancy.

It’s not an off chance. Seriously.

You don’t have to believe me, but I also have no reason to make it up.

Ol’ Friend, I believe you. And I’ve posted several times that to be so vehement in his defense of Mozo, Cranny must be connected with the FO, or be related to someone in the FO, or be friends with someone in the FO. I’ve derisively called him Mrs. Mozeliak in a couple of posts.

No normal Cardinal “just a fan” would be on here as much, blindly defending this incompetent organization.

Cranny isn't some insider. Maybe he knows one or two joe blows from his church.

Cranny doesn't defend Oli. He even said, when MM was fired, he didn't trust Oli.

Cranny didn't defend Fowler. In fact, he didn't like him and made that well known.

Cranny will do logic gymnastics to defend Matheny. To a lesser extent, Mo.

Cranny isn't a shill for the FO. He's just a Matheny lover.

I respected his toughness as a player. I respect what kind of person he is because I’ve met him. And I truly think he got the short end of the stick as far as the quality of players Mo brought in. And then was made a scapegoat. That’s all.

You "I respected his toughness as a player."
Me: "Okay, he won GG. I liked him as a Cardinal"

You: I respect what kind of person he is because I’ve met him.
Me: Who cares? He was a nice. Cool, dude.

You: And I truly think he got the short end of the stick as far as the quality of players Mo brought in.
Me: I agree. Matheny was at his best when he got rosters who just won the WS. Any other roster would show Matheny's lack of skills as a manager.

Ecleme -
One time I attended a charity event and Matheny was the guest speaker. The fee for a speaker was $15,000. He donated that entire speaking fee to the charity. He easily could have used that money for his family. He was more than just “nice”.

I guess what triggered me on this thread is the thread’s subject. Hate is a strong word.

Well he never was good with money

[Cranny]

He doesn’t. And neither do you.

Whatever you say, Rat.

Feel free to prove me wrong.

FWIW, Cranny likely does have acquaintances in or adjacent to the front office / ownership.

He’s not gonna “prove” it in any way that satiates your demand, but I’m familiar enough with Cranny to know he’s closer to that room than probably any other regular on the forum.

Suuuuure he does.

And, on the off chance he does, I guess it would explain the sycophancy.

It’s not an off chance. Seriously.

You don’t have to believe me, but I also have no reason to make it up.

Ol’ Friend, I believe you. And I’ve posted several times that to be so vehement in his defense of Mozo, Cranny must be connected with the FO, or be related to someone in the FO, or be friends with someone in the FO. I’ve derisively called him Mrs. Mozeliak in a couple of posts.

No normal Cardinal “just a fan” would be on here as much, blindly defending this incompetent organization.

Cranny isn't some insider. Maybe he knows one or two joe blows from his church.

Cranny doesn't defend Oli. He even said, when MM was fired, he didn't trust Oli.

Cranny didn't defend Fowler. In fact, he didn't like him and made that well known.

Cranny will do logic gymnastics to defend Matheny. To a lesser extent, Mo.

Cranny isn't a shill for the FO. He's just a Matheny lover.

I respected his toughness as a player. I respect what kind of person he is because I’ve met him. And I truly think he got the short end of the stick as far as the quality of players Mo brought in. And then was made a scapegoat. That’s all.

You "I respected his toughness as a player."
Me: "Okay, he won GG. I liked him as a Cardinal"

You: I respect what kind of person he is because I’ve met him.
Me: Who cares? He was a nice. Cool, dude.

You: And I truly think he got the short end of the stick as far as the quality of players Mo brought in.
Me: I agree. Matheny was at his best when he got rosters who just won the WS. Any other roster would show Matheny's lack of skills as a manager.

Ecleme -
One time I attended a charity event and Matheny was the guest speaker. The fee for a speaker was $15,000. He donated that entire speaking fee to the charity. He easily could have used that money for his family. He was more than just “nice”.

I guess what triggered me on this thread is the thread’s subject. Hate is a strong word.

Well he never was good with money

You have no idea about that, sdaltons. He and other investors invested in a building and had a tenant lined up for the building. The tenant company moved in. When the recession hit, the tenant couldn’t pay the rent and the investors didn’t have rental income to pay the debt service on the building. The investors had personally guaranteed the Ioan. It happened all over the country.

[desertrat23]

Whatever you say, Rat.

Feel free to prove me wrong.

FWIW, Cranny likely does have acquaintances in or adjacent to the front office / ownership.

He’s not gonna “prove” it in any way that satiates your demand, but I’m familiar enough with Cranny to know he’s closer to that room than probably any other regular on the forum.

Suuuuure he does.

And, on the off chance he does, I guess it would explain the sycophancy.

It’s not an off chance. Seriously.

You don’t have to believe me, but I also have no reason to make it up.

Ol’ Friend, I believe you. And I’ve posted several times that to be so vehement in his defense of Mozo, Cranny must be connected with the FO, or be related to someone in the FO, or be friends with someone in the FO. I’ve derisively called him Mrs. Mozeliak in a couple of posts.

No normal Cardinal “just a fan” would be on here as much, blindly defending this incompetent organization.

Cranny isn't some insider. Maybe he knows one or two joe blows from his church.

Cranny doesn't defend Oli. He even said, when MM was fired, he didn't trust Oli.

Cranny didn't defend Fowler. In fact, he didn't like him and made that well known.

Cranny will do logic gymnastics to defend Matheny. To a lesser extent, Mo.

Cranny isn't a shill for the FO. He's just a Matheny lover.

I respected his toughness as a player. I respect what kind of person he is because I’ve met him. And I truly think he got the short end of the stick as far as the quality of players Mo brought in. And then was made a scapegoat. That’s all.

You "I respected his toughness as a player."
Me: "Okay, he won GG. I liked him as a Cardinal"

You: I respect what kind of person he is because I’ve met him.
Me: Who cares? He was a nice. Cool, dude.

You: And I truly think he got the short end of the stick as far as the quality of players Mo brought in.
Me: I agree. Matheny was at his best when he got rosters who just won the WS. Any other roster would show Matheny's lack of skills as a manager.

Ecleme -
One time I attended a charity event and Matheny was the guest speaker. The fee for a speaker was $15,000. He donated that entire speaking fee to the charity. He easily could have used that money for his family. He was more than just “nice”.

I guess what triggered me on this thread is the thread’s subject. Hate is a strong word.

Well he never was good with money

You have no idea about that, sdaltons. He and other investors invested in a building and had a tenant lined up for the building. The tenant company moved in. When the recession hit, the tenant couldn’t pay the rent and the investors didn’t have rental income to pay the debt service on the building. The investors had personally guaranteed the Ioan. It happened all over the country.

Doesn’t make it smart.

[Cranny]

Feel free to prove me wrong.

FWIW, Cranny likely does have acquaintances in or adjacent to the front office / ownership.

He’s not gonna “prove” it in any way that satiates your demand, but I’m familiar enough with Cranny to know he’s closer to that room than probably any other regular on the forum.

Suuuuure he does.

And, on the off chance he does, I guess it would explain the sycophancy.

It’s not an off chance. Seriously.

You don’t have to believe me, but I also have no reason to make it up.

Ol’ Friend, I believe you. And I’ve posted several times that to be so vehement in his defense of Mozo, Cranny must be connected with the FO, or be related to someone in the FO, or be friends with someone in the FO. I’ve derisively called him Mrs. Mozeliak in a couple of posts.

No normal Cardinal “just a fan” would be on here as much, blindly defending this incompetent organization.

Cranny isn't some insider. Maybe he knows one or two joe blows from his church.

Cranny doesn't defend Oli. He even said, when MM was fired, he didn't trust Oli.

Cranny didn't defend Fowler. In fact, he didn't like him and made that well known.

Cranny will do logic gymnastics to defend Matheny. To a lesser extent, Mo.

Cranny isn't a shill for the FO. He's just a Matheny lover.

I respected his toughness as a player. I respect what kind of person he is because I’ve met him. And I truly think he got the short end of the stick as far as the quality of players Mo brought in. And then was made a scapegoat. That’s all.

You "I respected his toughness as a player."
Me: "Okay, he won GG. I liked him as a Cardinal"

You: I respect what kind of person he is because I’ve met him.
Me: Who cares? He was a nice. Cool, dude.

You: And I truly think he got the short end of the stick as far as the quality of players Mo brought in.
Me: I agree. Matheny was at his best when he got rosters who just won the WS. Any other roster would show Matheny's lack of skills as a manager.

Ecleme -
One time I attended a charity event and Matheny was the guest speaker. The fee for a speaker was $15,000. He donated that entire speaking fee to the charity. He easily could have used that money for his family. He was more than just “nice”.

I guess what triggered me on this thread is the thread’s subject. Hate is a strong word.

Well he never was good with money

You have no idea about that, sdaltons. He and other investors invested in a building and had a tenant lined up for the building. The tenant company moved in. When the recession hit, the tenant couldn’t pay the rent and the investors didn’t have rental income to pay the debt service on the building. The investors had personally guaranteed the Ioan. It happened all over the country.

Doesn’t make it smart.

The commercial real estate industry was turned upside down
as many tenants throughout the country couldn’t pay rent.
Many very smart, experienced investors got caught in it.

[Cranny]

He doesn’t. And neither do you.

Whatever you say, Rat.

Feel free to prove me wrong.

FWIW, Cranny likely does have acquaintances in or adjacent to the front office / ownership.

He’s not gonna “prove” it in any way that satiates your demand, but I’m familiar enough with Cranny to know he’s closer to that room than probably any other regular on the forum.

Suuuuure he does.

And, on the off chance he does, I guess it would explain the sycophancy.

It’s not an off chance. Seriously.

You don’t have to believe me, but I also have no reason to make it up.

Ol’ Friend, I believe you. And I’ve posted several times that to be so vehement in his defense of Mozo, Cranny must be connected with the FO, or be related to someone in the FO, or be friends with someone in the FO. I’ve derisively called him Mrs. Mozeliak in a couple of posts.

No normal Cardinal “just a fan” would be on here as much, blindly defending this incompetent organization.

Cranny isn't some insider. Maybe he knows one or two joe blows from his church.

Cranny doesn't defend Oli. He even said, when MM was fired, he didn't trust Oli.

Cranny didn't defend Fowler. In fact, he didn't like him and made that well known.

Cranny will do logic gymnastics to defend Matheny. To a lesser extent, Mo.

Cranny isn't a shill for the FO. He's just a Matheny lover.

I respected his toughness as a player. I respect what kind of person he is because I’ve met him. And I truly think he got the short end of the stick as far as the quality of players Mo brought in. And then was made a scapegoat. That’s all.

You "I respected his toughness as a player."
Me: "Okay, he won GG. I liked him as a Cardinal"

You: I respect what kind of person he is because I’ve met him.
Me: Who cares? He was a nice. Cool, dude.

You: And I truly think he got the short end of the stick as far as the quality of players Mo brought in.
Me: I agree. Matheny was at his best when he got rosters who just won the WS. Any other roster would show Matheny's lack of skills as a manager.

Ecleme -
One time I attended a charity event and Matheny was the guest speaker. The fee for a speaker was $15,000. He donated that entire speaking fee to the charity. He easily could have used that money for his family. He was more than just “nice”.

I guess what triggered me on this thread is the thread’s subject. Hate is a strong word.

And there it is (as if we didn’t know)

Cranny is sticking up for a guy he likes, not a manager he thinks was good.

I think he had no experience as a manager, and it showed in a number of ways. He was a tough, down and dirty, all out ball player who left it all on the field every game. He expected the same from each player and got down on them if they didn’t live up to that standard. That approach didn’t work with several players and it caused friction.

[AnExParrot]

Whatever you say, Rat.

Feel free to prove me wrong.

FWIW, Cranny likely does have acquaintances in or adjacent to the front office / ownership.

He’s not gonna “prove” it in any way that satiates your demand, but I’m familiar enough with Cranny to know he’s closer to that room than probably any other regular on the forum.

Suuuuure he does.

And, on the off chance he does, I guess it would explain the sycophancy.

It’s not an off chance. Seriously.

You don’t have to believe me, but I also have no reason to make it up.

Ol’ Friend, I believe you. And I’ve posted several times that to be so vehement in his defense of Mozo, Cranny must be connected with the FO, or be related to someone in the FO, or be friends with someone in the FO. I’ve derisively called him Mrs. Mozeliak in a couple of posts.

No normal Cardinal “just a fan” would be on here as much, blindly defending this incompetent organization.

Cranny isn't some insider. Maybe he knows one or two joe blows from his church.

Cranny doesn't defend Oli. He even said, when MM was fired, he didn't trust Oli.

Cranny didn't defend Fowler. In fact, he didn't like him and made that well known.

Cranny will do logic gymnastics to defend Matheny. To a lesser extent, Mo.

Cranny isn't a shill for the FO. He's just a Matheny lover.

I respected his toughness as a player. I respect what kind of person he is because I’ve met him. And I truly think he got the short end of the stick as far as the quality of players Mo brought in. And then was made a scapegoat. That’s all.

You "I respected his toughness as a player."
Me: "Okay, he won GG. I liked him as a Cardinal"

You: I respect what kind of person he is because I’ve met him.
Me: Who cares? He was a nice. Cool, dude.

You: And I truly think he got the short end of the stick as far as the quality of players Mo brought in.
Me: I agree. Matheny was at his best when he got rosters who just won the WS. Any other roster would show Matheny's lack of skills as a manager.

Ecleme -
One time I attended a charity event and Matheny was the guest speaker. The fee for a speaker was $15,000. He donated that entire speaking fee to the charity. He easily could have used that money for his family. He was more than just “nice”.

I guess what triggered me on this thread is the thread’s subject. Hate is a strong word.

Well he never was good with money

You have no idea about that, sdaltons. He and other investors invested in a building and had a tenant lined up for the building. The tenant company moved in. When the recession hit, the tenant couldn’t pay the rent and the investors didn’t have rental income to pay the debt service on the building. The investors had personally guaranteed the Ioan. It happened all over the country.

He earned over 22 million in his baseball career. While after taxes and living expenses that doesn't really fall under generational wealth, but for anyone with any sense about money, that's enough to get through the rest of your life without ever ending up homeless/living with the in-laws.

[ecleme22]

Whatever you say, Rat.

Feel free to prove me wrong.

FWIW, Cranny likely does have acquaintances in or adjacent to the front office / ownership.

He’s not gonna “prove” it in any way that satiates your demand, but I’m familiar enough with Cranny to know he’s closer to that room than probably any other regular on the forum.

Suuuuure he does.

And, on the off chance he does, I guess it would explain the sycophancy.

It’s not an off chance. Seriously.

You don’t have to believe me, but I also have no reason to make it up.

Ol’ Friend, I believe you. And I’ve posted several times that to be so vehement in his defense of Mozo, Cranny must be connected with the FO, or be related to someone in the FO, or be friends with someone in the FO. I’ve derisively called him Mrs. Mozeliak in a couple of posts.

No normal Cardinal “just a fan” would be on here as much, blindly defending this incompetent organization.

Cranny isn't some insider. Maybe he knows one or two joe blows from his church.

Cranny doesn't defend Oli. He even said, when MM was fired, he didn't trust Oli.

Cranny didn't defend Fowler. In fact, he didn't like him and made that well known.

Cranny will do logic gymnastics to defend Matheny. To a lesser extent, Mo.

Cranny isn't a shill for the FO. He's just a Matheny lover.

I respected his toughness as a player. I respect what kind of person he is because I’ve met him. And I truly think he got the short end of the stick as far as the quality of players Mo brought in. And then was made a scapegoat. That’s all.

You "I respected his toughness as a player."
Me: "Okay, he won GG. I liked him as a Cardinal"

You: I respect what kind of person he is because I’ve met him.
Me: Who cares? He was a nice. Cool, dude.

You: And I truly think he got the short end of the stick as far as the quality of players Mo brought in.
Me: I agree. Matheny was at his best when he got rosters who just won the WS. Any other roster would show Matheny's lack of skills as a manager.

Ecleme -
One time I attended a charity event and Matheny was the guest speaker. The fee for a speaker was $15,000. He donated that entire speaking fee to the charity. He easily could have used that money for his family. He was more than just “nice”.

I guess what triggered me on this thread is the thread’s subject. Hate is a strong word.

And there it is (as if we didn’t know)

Cranny is sticking up for a guy he likes, not a manager he thinks was good.

I think he had no experience as a manager, and it showed in a number of ways. He was a tough, down and dirty, all out ball player who left it all on the field every game. He expected the same from each player and got down on them if they didn’t live up to that standard. That approach didn’t work with several players and it caused friction.

Lol.

“Mathenys biggest issue was he cared too much!”

S[top] T[hose] F[raudulent] U[tterances]

[Cranny]

Feel free to prove me wrong.

FWIW, Cranny likely does have acquaintances in or adjacent to the front office / ownership.

He’s not gonna “prove” it in any way that satiates your demand, but I’m familiar enough with Cranny to know he’s closer to that room than probably any other regular on the forum.

Suuuuure he does.

And, on the off chance he does, I guess it would explain the sycophancy.

It’s not an off chance. Seriously.

You don’t have to believe me, but I also have no reason to make it up.

Ol’ Friend, I believe you. And I’ve posted several times that to be so vehement in his defense of Mozo, Cranny must be connected with the FO, or be related to someone in the FO, or be friends with someone in the FO. I’ve derisively called him Mrs. Mozeliak in a couple of posts.

No normal Cardinal “just a fan” would be on here as much, blindly defending this incompetent organization.

Cranny isn't some insider. Maybe he knows one or two joe blows from his church.

Cranny doesn't defend Oli. He even said, when MM was fired, he didn't trust Oli.

Cranny didn't defend Fowler. In fact, he didn't like him and made that well known.

Cranny will do logic gymnastics to defend Matheny. To a lesser extent, Mo.

Cranny isn't a shill for the FO. He's just a Matheny lover.

I respected his toughness as a player. I respect what kind of person he is because I’ve met him. And I truly think he got the short end of the stick as far as the quality of players Mo brought in. And then was made a scapegoat. That’s all.

You "I respected his toughness as a player."
Me: "Okay, he won GG. I liked him as a Cardinal"

You: I respect what kind of person he is because I’ve met him.
Me: Who cares? He was a nice. Cool, dude.

You: And I truly think he got the short end of the stick as far as the quality of players Mo brought in.
Me: I agree. Matheny was at his best when he got rosters who just won the WS. Any other roster would show Matheny's lack of skills as a manager.

Ecleme -
One time I attended a charity event and Matheny was the guest speaker. The fee for a speaker was $15,000. He donated that entire speaking fee to the charity. He easily could have used that money for his family. He was more than just “nice”.

I guess what triggered me on this thread is the thread’s subject. Hate is a strong word.

And there it is (as if we didn’t know)

Cranny is sticking up for a guy he likes, not a manager he thinks was good.

I think he had no experience as a manager, and it showed in a number of ways. He was a tough, down and dirty, all out ball player who left it all on the field every game. He expected the same from each player and got down on them if they didn’t live up to that standard. That approach didn’t work with several players and it caused friction.

Lol.

“Mathenys biggest issue was he cared too much!”

S[top] T[hose] F[raudulent] U[tterances]

Getting gross, Ecleme? Read my post again. He didn’t like payers who didn’t put out 110%. Was tough on players like that. They didn’t like it.

[OldRed]

Cranny after all these years we get it. You loved Matheny. Please get over it, it's over and time to move on.

[sikeston bulldog2]

FWIW, Cranny likely does have acquaintances in or adjacent to the front office / ownership.

He’s not gonna “prove” it in any way that satiates your demand, but I’m familiar enough with Cranny to know he’s closer to that room than probably any other regular on the forum.

Suuuuure he does.

And, on the off chance he does, I guess it would explain the sycophancy.

It’s not an off chance. Seriously.

You don’t have to believe me, but I also have no reason to make it up.

Ol’ Friend, I believe you. And I’ve posted several times that to be so vehement in his defense of Mozo, Cranny must be connected with the FO, or be related to someone in the FO, or be friends with someone in the FO. I’ve derisively called him Mrs. Mozeliak in a couple of posts.

No normal Cardinal “just a fan” would be on here as much, blindly defending this incompetent organization.

Cranny isn't some insider. Maybe he knows one or two joe blows from his church.

Cranny doesn't defend Oli. He even said, when MM was fired, he didn't trust Oli.

Cranny didn't defend Fowler. In fact, he didn't like him and made that well known.

Cranny will do logic gymnastics to defend Matheny. To a lesser extent, Mo.

Cranny isn't a shill for the FO. He's just a Matheny lover.

I respected his toughness as a player. I respect what kind of person he is because I’ve met him. And I truly think he got the short end of the stick as far as the quality of players Mo brought in. And then was made a scapegoat. That’s all.

You "I respected his toughness as a player."
Me: "Okay, he won GG. I liked him as a Cardinal"

You: I respect what kind of person he is because I’ve met him.
Me: Who cares? He was a nice. Cool, dude.

You: And I truly think he got the short end of the stick as far as the quality of players Mo brought in.
Me: I agree. Matheny was at his best when he got rosters who just won the WS. Any other roster would show Matheny's lack of skills as a manager.

Ecleme -
One time I attended a charity event and Matheny was the guest speaker. The fee for a speaker was $15,000. He donated that entire speaking fee to the charity. He easily could have used that money for his family. He was more than just “nice”.

I guess what triggered me on this thread is the thread’s subject. Hate is a strong word.

And there it is (as if we didn’t know)

Cranny is sticking up for a guy he likes, not a manager he thinks was good.

I think he had no experience as a manager, and it showed in a number of ways. He was a tough, down and dirty, all out ball player who left it all on the field every game. He expected the same from each player and got down on them if they didn’t live up to that standard. That approach didn’t work with several players and it caused friction.

Lol.

“Mathenys biggest issue was he cared too much!”

S[top] T[hose] F[raudulent] U[tterances]

Getting gross, Ecleme? Read my post again. He didn’t like payers who didn’t put out 110%. Was tough on players like that. They didn’t like it.

You stated he didn’t like certain players. That’s personnel. You also stated he was tough on those he didn’t like. That’s bias.

[Cranny]

Suuuuure he does.

And, on the off chance he does, I guess it would explain the sycophancy.

It’s not an off chance. Seriously.

You don’t have to believe me, but I also have no reason to make it up.

Ol’ Friend, I believe you. And I’ve posted several times that to be so vehement in his defense of Mozo, Cranny must be connected with the FO, or be related to someone in the FO, or be friends with someone in the FO. I’ve derisively called him Mrs. Mozeliak in a couple of posts.

No normal Cardinal “just a fan” would be on here as much, blindly defending this incompetent organization.

Cranny isn't some insider. Maybe he knows one or two joe blows from his church.

Cranny doesn't defend Oli. He even said, when MM was fired, he didn't trust Oli.

Cranny didn't defend Fowler. In fact, he didn't like him and made that well known.

Cranny will do logic gymnastics to defend Matheny. To a lesser extent, Mo.

Cranny isn't a shill for the FO. He's just a Matheny lover.

I respected his toughness as a player. I respect what kind of person he is because I’ve met him. And I truly think he got the short end of the stick as far as the quality of players Mo brought in. And then was made a scapegoat. That’s all.

You "I respected his toughness as a player."
Me: "Okay, he won GG. I liked him as a Cardinal"

You: I respect what kind of person he is because I’ve met him.
Me: Who cares? He was a nice. Cool, dude.

You: And I truly think he got the short end of the stick as far as the quality of players Mo brought in.
Me: I agree. Matheny was at his best when he got rosters who just won the WS. Any other roster would show Matheny's lack of skills as a manager.

Ecleme -
One time I attended a charity event and Matheny was the guest speaker. The fee for a speaker was $15,000. He donated that entire speaking fee to the charity. He easily could have used that money for his family. He was more than just “nice”.

I guess what triggered me on this thread is the thread’s subject. Hate is a strong word.

And there it is (as if we didn’t know)

Cranny is sticking up for a guy he likes, not a manager he thinks was good.

I think he had no experience as a manager, and it showed in a number of ways. He was a tough, down and dirty, all out ball player who left it all on the field every game. He expected the same from each player and got down on them if they didn’t live up to that standard. That approach didn’t work with several players and it caused friction.

Lol.

“Mathenys biggest issue was he cared too much!”

S[top] T[hose] F[raudulent] U[tterances]

Getting gross, Ecleme? Read my post again. He didn’t like payers who didn’t put out 110%. Was tough on players like that. They didn’t like it.

You stated he didn’t like certain players. That’s personnel. You also stated he was tough on those he didn’t like. That’s bias.

There were certain payers he didn’t like for the reasons I denoted. There were other factors too. Like one player who
refused to stay in the same hotel as the rest of the team.
He didn’t care for that.

[sikeston bulldog2]

It’s not an off chance. Seriously.

You don’t have to believe me, but I also have no reason to make it up.

Ol’ Friend, I believe you. And I’ve posted several times that to be so vehement in his defense of Mozo, Cranny must be connected with the FO, or be related to someone in the FO, or be friends with someone in the FO. I’ve derisively called him Mrs. Mozeliak in a couple of posts.

No normal Cardinal “just a fan” would be on here as much, blindly defending this incompetent organization.

Cranny isn't some insider. Maybe he knows one or two joe blows from his church.

Cranny doesn't defend Oli. He even said, when MM was fired, he didn't trust Oli.

Cranny didn't defend Fowler. In fact, he didn't like him and made that well known.

Cranny will do logic gymnastics to defend Matheny. To a lesser extent, Mo.

Cranny isn't a shill for the FO. He's just a Matheny lover.

I respected his toughness as a player. I respect what kind of person he is because I’ve met him. And I truly think he got the short end of the stick as far as the quality of players Mo brought in. And then was made a scapegoat. That’s all.

You "I respected his toughness as a player."
Me: "Okay, he won GG. I liked him as a Cardinal"

You: I respect what kind of person he is because I’ve met him.
Me: Who cares? He was a nice. Cool, dude.

You: And I truly think he got the short end of the stick as far as the quality of players Mo brought in.
Me: I agree. Matheny was at his best when he got rosters who just won the WS. Any other roster would show Matheny's lack of skills as a manager.

Ecleme -
One time I attended a charity event and Matheny was the guest speaker. The fee for a speaker was $15,000. He donated that entire speaking fee to the charity. He easily could have used that money for his family. He was more than just “nice”.

I guess what triggered me on this thread is the thread’s subject. Hate is a strong word.

And there it is (as if we didn’t know)

Cranny is sticking up for a guy he likes, not a manager he thinks was good.

I think he had no experience as a manager, and it showed in a number of ways. He was a tough, down and dirty, all out ball player who left it all on the field every game. He expected the same from each player and got down on them if they didn’t live up to that standard. That approach didn’t work with several players and it caused friction.

Lol.

“Mathenys biggest issue was he cared too much!”

S[top] T[hose] F[raudulent] U[tterances]

Getting gross, Ecleme? Read my post again. He didn’t like payers who didn’t put out 110%. Was tough on players like that. They didn’t like it.

You stated he didn’t like certain players. That’s personnel. You also stated he was tough on those he didn’t like. That’s bias.

There were certain payers he didn’t like for the reasons I denoted. There were other factors too. Like one player who
refused to stay in the same hotel as the rest of the team.
He didn’t care for that.

Being upset with a player for lodging preferences and then holding it against their profession seems strong.