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Re: For the Matheny haters

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desertrat23 wrote: 20 Aug 2025 17:51 pm
Cranny wrote: 20 Aug 2025 16:51 pm
ecleme22 wrote: 20 Aug 2025 16:31 pm Cranny: “you say MM made bad bullpen moves, but maybe all the other pitchers were feeling sick. You nor I know.”
Ecleme - Do you know anyone in the Cardinals organization? Do you have any inside information?
He doesn’t. And neither do you.
When in doubt...claim you know KNOW people...claim the other posters never played coached, etc...anonymous internet sites are a great way to build a fantasy resume!... that's what a told Bill and Mo at lunch today!
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Re: For the Matheny haters

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desertrat23 wrote: 20 Aug 2025 17:51 pm
Cranny wrote: 20 Aug 2025 16:51 pm
ecleme22 wrote: 20 Aug 2025 16:31 pm Cranny: “you say MM made bad bullpen moves, but maybe all the other pitchers were feeling sick. You nor I know.”
Ecleme - Do you know anyone in the Cardinals organization? Do you have any inside information?
He doesn’t. And neither do you.
Whatever you say, Rat.
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Re: For the Matheny haters

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Cranny wrote: 20 Aug 2025 18:38 pm
desertrat23 wrote: 20 Aug 2025 17:51 pm
Cranny wrote: 20 Aug 2025 16:51 pm
ecleme22 wrote: 20 Aug 2025 16:31 pm Cranny: “you say MM made bad bullpen moves, but maybe all the other pitchers were feeling sick. You nor I know.”
Ecleme - Do you know anyone in the Cardinals organization? Do you have any inside information?
He doesn’t. And neither do you.
Whatever you say, Rat.
Feel free to prove me wrong.
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Re: For the Matheny haters

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desertrat23 wrote: 20 Aug 2025 18:48 pm
Cranny wrote: 20 Aug 2025 18:38 pm
desertrat23 wrote: 20 Aug 2025 17:51 pm
Cranny wrote: 20 Aug 2025 16:51 pm
ecleme22 wrote: 20 Aug 2025 16:31 pm Cranny: “you say MM made bad bullpen moves, but maybe all the other pitchers were feeling sick. You nor I know.”
Ecleme - Do you know anyone in the Cardinals organization? Do you have any inside information?
He doesn’t. And neither do you.
Whatever you say, Rat.
Feel free to prove me wrong.
FWIW, Cranny likely does have acquaintances in or adjacent to the front office / ownership.

He’s not gonna “prove” it in any way that satiates your demand, but I’m familiar enough with Cranny to know he’s closer to that room than probably any other regular on the forum.
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Re: For the Matheny haters

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An Old Friend wrote: 20 Aug 2025 19:05 pm
desertrat23 wrote: 20 Aug 2025 18:48 pm
Cranny wrote: 20 Aug 2025 18:38 pm
desertrat23 wrote: 20 Aug 2025 17:51 pm
Cranny wrote: 20 Aug 2025 16:51 pm
ecleme22 wrote: 20 Aug 2025 16:31 pm Cranny: “you say MM made bad bullpen moves, but maybe all the other pitchers were feeling sick. You nor I know.”
Ecleme - Do you know anyone in the Cardinals organization? Do you have any inside information?
He doesn’t. And neither do you.
Whatever you say, Rat.
Feel free to prove me wrong.
FWIW, Cranny likely does have acquaintances in or adjacent to the front office / ownership.

He’s not gonna “prove” it in any way that satiates your demand, but I’m familiar enough with Cranny to know he’s closer to that room than probably any other regular on the forum.
Suuuuure he does.

And, on the off chance he does, I guess it would explain the sycophancy.
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desertrat23 wrote: 20 Aug 2025 19:37 pm
An Old Friend wrote: 20 Aug 2025 19:05 pm
desertrat23 wrote: 20 Aug 2025 18:48 pm
Cranny wrote: 20 Aug 2025 18:38 pm
desertrat23 wrote: 20 Aug 2025 17:51 pm
Cranny wrote: 20 Aug 2025 16:51 pm
ecleme22 wrote: 20 Aug 2025 16:31 pm Cranny: “you say MM made bad bullpen moves, but maybe all the other pitchers were feeling sick. You nor I know.”
Ecleme - Do you know anyone in the Cardinals organization? Do you have any inside information?
He doesn’t. And neither do you.
Whatever you say, Rat.
Feel free to prove me wrong.
FWIW, Cranny likely does have acquaintances in or adjacent to the front office / ownership.

He’s not gonna “prove” it in any way that satiates your demand, but I’m familiar enough with Cranny to know he’s closer to that room than probably any other regular on the forum.
Suuuuure he does.

And, on the off chance he does, I guess it would explain the sycophancy.
It’s not an off chance. Seriously.

You don’t have to believe me, but I also have no reason to make it up.
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Re: For the Matheny haters

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An Old Friend wrote: 20 Aug 2025 19:44 pm
desertrat23 wrote: 20 Aug 2025 19:37 pm
An Old Friend wrote: 20 Aug 2025 19:05 pm
desertrat23 wrote: 20 Aug 2025 18:48 pm
Cranny wrote: 20 Aug 2025 18:38 pm
desertrat23 wrote: 20 Aug 2025 17:51 pm
Cranny wrote: 20 Aug 2025 16:51 pm
ecleme22 wrote: 20 Aug 2025 16:31 pm Cranny: “you say MM made bad bullpen moves, but maybe all the other pitchers were feeling sick. You nor I know.”
Ecleme - Do you know anyone in the Cardinals organization? Do you have any inside information?
He doesn’t. And neither do you.
Whatever you say, Rat.
Feel free to prove me wrong.
FWIW, Cranny likely does have acquaintances in or adjacent to the front office / ownership.

He’s not gonna “prove” it in any way that satiates your demand, but I’m familiar enough with Cranny to know he’s closer to that room than probably any other regular on the forum.
Suuuuure he does.

And, on the off chance he does, I guess it would explain the sycophancy.
It’s not an off chance. Seriously.

You don’t have to believe me, but I also have no reason to make it up.
Ol’ Friend, I believe you. And I’ve posted several times that to be so vehement in his defense of Mozo, Cranny must be connected with the FO, or be related to someone in the FO, or be friends with someone in the FO. I’ve derisively called him Mrs. Mozeliak in a couple of posts.

No normal Cardinal “just a fan” would be on here as much, blindly defending this incompetent organization.
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Re: For the Matheny haters

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An Old Friend wrote: 20 Aug 2025 19:44 pm
desertrat23 wrote: 20 Aug 2025 19:37 pm
An Old Friend wrote: 20 Aug 2025 19:05 pm
desertrat23 wrote: 20 Aug 2025 18:48 pm
Cranny wrote: 20 Aug 2025 18:38 pm
desertrat23 wrote: 20 Aug 2025 17:51 pm
Cranny wrote: 20 Aug 2025 16:51 pm
ecleme22 wrote: 20 Aug 2025 16:31 pm Cranny: “you say MM made bad bullpen moves, but maybe all the other pitchers were feeling sick. You nor I know.”
Ecleme - Do you know anyone in the Cardinals organization? Do you have any inside information?
He doesn’t. And neither do you.
Whatever you say, Rat.
Feel free to prove me wrong.
FWIW, Cranny likely does have acquaintances in or adjacent to the front office / ownership.

He’s not gonna “prove” it in any way that satiates your demand, but I’m familiar enough with Cranny to know he’s closer to that room than probably any other regular on the forum.
Suuuuure he does.

And, on the off chance he does, I guess it would explain the sycophancy.
It’s not an off chance. Seriously.

You don’t have to believe me, but I also have no reason to make it up.
I have no reason not to believe you. If it’s the case, then it affirms the “organization shill” rep he's been given.
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Re: For the Matheny haters

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There are far too many instances of Cranny having "Pavlov's Dog"-style reactions to the same topics and posters, backed up by using almost identical phrasing in many of the thread responses over time (years, in many cases), for him to be someone who JUST double-dated with Bill Jr, or JUST introduced Mozeliak at some random event in STL, where he also presumably met JM's lovely family. Methinks he doth protest too much when claiming otherwise.

He defends these folks as if they're his ride or die. And, most of this so-called "fair and balanced" approach he likes to peddle, insofar as the criticism of the org goes, occurred in the ~ 10 day aftermath of the Katie Woo article at the end of last season. By his standards, he unloaded on the org like a politician who'd said things during the primaries that he didn't want to have to answer for in the general election.

Whatever...I suppose it gets him through the day.
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Hazelwood72 wrote: 20 Aug 2025 19:59 pm
An Old Friend wrote: 20 Aug 2025 19:44 pm
desertrat23 wrote: 20 Aug 2025 19:37 pm
An Old Friend wrote: 20 Aug 2025 19:05 pm
desertrat23 wrote: 20 Aug 2025 18:48 pm
Cranny wrote: 20 Aug 2025 18:38 pm
desertrat23 wrote: 20 Aug 2025 17:51 pm
Cranny wrote: 20 Aug 2025 16:51 pm
ecleme22 wrote: 20 Aug 2025 16:31 pm Cranny: “you say MM made bad bullpen moves, but maybe all the other pitchers were feeling sick. You nor I know.”
Ecleme - Do you know anyone in the Cardinals organization? Do you have any inside information?
He doesn’t. And neither do you.
Whatever you say, Rat.
Feel free to prove me wrong.
FWIW, Cranny likely does have acquaintances in or adjacent to the front office / ownership.

He’s not gonna “prove” it in any way that satiates your demand, but I’m familiar enough with Cranny to know he’s closer to that room than probably any other regular on the forum.
Suuuuure he does.

And, on the off chance he does, I guess it would explain the sycophancy.
It’s not an off chance. Seriously.

You don’t have to believe me, but I also have no reason to make it up.
Ol’ Friend, I believe you. And I’ve posted several times that to be so vehement in his defense of Mozo, Cranny must be connected with the FO, or be related to someone in the FO, or be friends with someone in the FO. I’ve derisively called him Mrs. Mozeliak in a couple of posts.

No normal Cardinal “just a fan” would be on here as much, blindly defending this incompetent organization.
Cranny isn't some insider. Maybe he knows one or two joe blows from his church.

Cranny doesn't defend Oli. He even said, when MM was fired, he didn't trust Oli.

Cranny didn't defend Fowler. In fact, he didn't like him and made that well known.

Cranny will do logic gymnastics to defend Matheny. To a lesser extent, Mo.

Cranny isn't a shill for the FO. He's just a Matheny lover.
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Re: For the Matheny haters

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Imperial Capitalist wrote: 20 Aug 2025 20:43 pm There are far too many instances of Cranny having "Pavlov's Dog"-style reactions to the same topics and posters, backed up by using almost identical phrasing in many of the thread responses over time (years, in many cases), for him to be someone who JUST double-dated with Bill Jr, or JUST introduced Mozeliak at some random event in STL, where he also presumably met JM's lovely family. Methinks he doth protest too much when claiming otherwise.

He defends these folks as if they're his ride or die. And, most of this so-called "fair and balanced" approach he likes to peddle, insofar as the criticism of the org goes, occurred in the ~ 10 day aftermath of the Katie Woo article at the end of last season. By his standards, he unloaded on the org like a politician who'd said things during the primaries that he didn't want to have to answer for in the general election.

Whatever...I suppose it gets him through the day.
Some posters don’t read or want to read and recognize.

1.) I’ve said that BDW’s approach has gone stale. Have even listed things that you tend to do when you get older which leads to that.

2.) Have been critical of many of the moves Mo has made -
Fowler, Leake, Cecil, Miller, etc.

3.) Have said that OIi was a ridiculous hire to be a major league manager - he had never managed above High A. That the natural candidate if they wanted to stay within the organization was Stubby. And listed the reasons why.

4.) Have continually said that Blake is a joke, being hired with no professional experience.

Those are far from things a shill would say.
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Re: For the Matheny haters

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Cranny wrote: 20 Aug 2025 21:04 pm
Imperial Capitalist wrote: 20 Aug 2025 20:43 pm There are far too many instances of Cranny having "Pavlov's Dog"-style reactions to the same topics and posters, backed up by using almost identical phrasing in many of the thread responses over time (years, in many cases), for him to be someone who JUST double-dated with Bill Jr, or JUST introduced Mozeliak at some random event in STL, where he also presumably met JM's lovely family. Methinks he doth protest too much when claiming otherwise.

He defends these folks as if they're his ride or die. And, most of this so-called "fair and balanced" approach he likes to peddle, insofar as the criticism of the org goes, occurred in the ~ 10 day aftermath of the Katie Woo article at the end of last season. By his standards, he unloaded on the org like a politician who'd said things during the primaries that he didn't want to have to answer for in the general election.

Whatever...I suppose it gets him through the day.
Some posters don’t read or want to read and recognize.

1.) I’ve said that BDW’s approach has gone stale. Have even listed things that you tend to do when you get older which leads to that.

2.) Have been critical of many of the moves Mo has made -
Fowler, Leake, Cecil, Miller, etc.

3.) Have said that OIi was a ridiculous hire to be a major league manager - he had never managed above High A. That the natural candidate if they wanted to stay within the organization was Stubby. And listed the reasons why.

4.) Have continually said that Blake is a joke, being hired with no professional experience.

Those are far from things a shill would say.
And yet…you liked Matheny?
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Re: For the Matheny haters

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ecleme22 wrote: 20 Aug 2025 20:49 pm
Hazelwood72 wrote: 20 Aug 2025 19:59 pm
An Old Friend wrote: 20 Aug 2025 19:44 pm
desertrat23 wrote: 20 Aug 2025 19:37 pm
An Old Friend wrote: 20 Aug 2025 19:05 pm
desertrat23 wrote: 20 Aug 2025 18:48 pm
Cranny wrote: 20 Aug 2025 18:38 pm
desertrat23 wrote: 20 Aug 2025 17:51 pm
Cranny wrote: 20 Aug 2025 16:51 pm
ecleme22 wrote: 20 Aug 2025 16:31 pm Cranny: “you say MM made bad bullpen moves, but maybe all the other pitchers were feeling sick. You nor I know.”
Ecleme - Do you know anyone in the Cardinals organization? Do you have any inside information?
He doesn’t. And neither do you.
Whatever you say, Rat.
Feel free to prove me wrong.
FWIW, Cranny likely does have acquaintances in or adjacent to the front office / ownership.

He’s not gonna “prove” it in any way that satiates your demand, but I’m familiar enough with Cranny to know he’s closer to that room than probably any other regular on the forum.
Suuuuure he does.

And, on the off chance he does, I guess it would explain the sycophancy.
It’s not an off chance. Seriously.

You don’t have to believe me, but I also have no reason to make it up.
Ol’ Friend, I believe you. And I’ve posted several times that to be so vehement in his defense of Mozo, Cranny must be connected with the FO, or be related to someone in the FO, or be friends with someone in the FO. I’ve derisively called him Mrs. Mozeliak in a couple of posts.

No normal Cardinal “just a fan” would be on here as much, blindly defending this incompetent organization.
Cranny isn't some insider. Maybe he knows one or two joe blows from his church.

Cranny doesn't defend Oli. He even said, when MM was fired, he didn't trust Oli.

Cranny didn't defend Fowler. In fact, he didn't like him and made that well known.

Cranny will do logic gymnastics to defend Matheny. To a lesser extent, Mo.

Cranny isn't a shill for the FO. He's just a Matheny lover.
I respected his toughness as a player. I respect what kind of person he is because I’ve met him. And I truly think he got the short end of the stick as far as the quality of players Mo brought in. And then was made a scapegoat. That’s all.
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Re: For the Matheny haters

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Cranny wrote: 20 Aug 2025 21:09 pm
ecleme22 wrote: 20 Aug 2025 20:49 pm
Hazelwood72 wrote: 20 Aug 2025 19:59 pm
An Old Friend wrote: 20 Aug 2025 19:44 pm
desertrat23 wrote: 20 Aug 2025 19:37 pm
An Old Friend wrote: 20 Aug 2025 19:05 pm
desertrat23 wrote: 20 Aug 2025 18:48 pm
Cranny wrote: 20 Aug 2025 18:38 pm
desertrat23 wrote: 20 Aug 2025 17:51 pm
Cranny wrote: 20 Aug 2025 16:51 pm
ecleme22 wrote: 20 Aug 2025 16:31 pm Cranny: “you say MM made bad bullpen moves, but maybe all the other pitchers were feeling sick. You nor I know.”
Ecleme - Do you know anyone in the Cardinals organization? Do you have any inside information?
He doesn’t. And neither do you.
Whatever you say, Rat.
Feel free to prove me wrong.
FWIW, Cranny likely does have acquaintances in or adjacent to the front office / ownership.

He’s not gonna “prove” it in any way that satiates your demand, but I’m familiar enough with Cranny to know he’s closer to that room than probably any other regular on the forum.
Suuuuure he does.

And, on the off chance he does, I guess it would explain the sycophancy.
It’s not an off chance. Seriously.

You don’t have to believe me, but I also have no reason to make it up.
Ol’ Friend, I believe you. And I’ve posted several times that to be so vehement in his defense of Mozo, Cranny must be connected with the FO, or be related to someone in the FO, or be friends with someone in the FO. I’ve derisively called him Mrs. Mozeliak in a couple of posts.

No normal Cardinal “just a fan” would be on here as much, blindly defending this incompetent organization.
Cranny isn't some insider. Maybe he knows one or two joe blows from his church.

Cranny doesn't defend Oli. He even said, when MM was fired, he didn't trust Oli.

Cranny didn't defend Fowler. In fact, he didn't like him and made that well known.

Cranny will do logic gymnastics to defend Matheny. To a lesser extent, Mo.

Cranny isn't a shill for the FO. He's just a Matheny lover.
I respected his toughness as a player. I respect what kind of person he is because I’ve met him. And I truly think he got the short end of the stick as far as the quality of players Mo brought in. And then was made a scapegoat. That’s all.
Matheny, Shildt, Girsch…the list of scapegoats is long.
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Re: For the Matheny haters

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:?:
desertrat23 wrote: 20 Aug 2025 21:57 pm
Cranny wrote: 20 Aug 2025 21:09 pm
ecleme22 wrote: 20 Aug 2025 20:49 pm
Hazelwood72 wrote: 20 Aug 2025 19:59 pm
An Old Friend wrote: 20 Aug 2025 19:44 pm
desertrat23 wrote: 20 Aug 2025 19:37 pm
An Old Friend wrote: 20 Aug 2025 19:05 pm
desertrat23 wrote: 20 Aug 2025 18:48 pm
Cranny wrote: 20 Aug 2025 18:38 pm
desertrat23 wrote: 20 Aug 2025 17:51 pm
Cranny wrote: 20 Aug 2025 16:51 pm
ecleme22 wrote: 20 Aug 2025 16:31 pm Cranny: “you say MM made bad bullpen moves, but maybe all the other pitchers were feeling sick. You nor I know.”
Ecleme - Do you know anyone in the Cardinals organization? Do you have any inside information?
He doesn’t. And neither do you.
Whatever you say, Rat.
Feel free to prove me wrong.
FWIW, Cranny likely does have acquaintances in or adjacent to the front office / ownership.

He’s not gonna “prove” it in any way that satiates your demand, but I’m familiar enough with Cranny to know he’s closer to that room than probably any other regular on the forum.
Suuuuure he does.

And, on the off chance he does, I guess it would explain the sycophancy.
It’s not an off chance. Seriously.

You don’t have to believe me, but I also have no reason to make it up.
Ol’ Friend, I believe you. And I’ve posted several times that to be so vehement in his defense of Mozo, Cranny must be connected with the FO, or be related to someone in the FO, or be friends with someone in the FO. I’ve derisively called him Mrs. Mozeliak in a couple of posts.

No normal Cardinal “just a fan” would be on here as much, blindly defending this incompetent organization.
Cranny isn't some insider. Maybe he knows one or two joe blows from his church.

Cranny doesn't defend Oli. He even said, when MM was fired, he didn't trust Oli.

Cranny didn't defend Fowler. In fact, he didn't like him and made that well known.

Cranny will do logic gymnastics to defend Matheny. To a lesser extent, Mo.

Cranny isn't a shill for the FO. He's just a Matheny lover.
I respected his toughness as a player. I respect what kind of person he is because I’ve met him. And I truly think he got the short end of the stick as far as the quality of players Mo brought in. And then was made a scapegoat. That’s all.
Matheny, Shildt, Girsch…the list of scapegoats is long.
You’re right about that.
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Matheny was good at one thing as manager -- looking good on the cover of GQ. That's why he was hired in addition to being a certain yes man for Mozeliak. Certainly not for his brains or managerial know-how.
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