18th in attendance

[OldRed]

I remember when some posted attendance was down because school was not out, then it was the rain, then it was the summer heat.

None of this is MO-RAN'S fault...I heard it was too hot for old people who might combust in the stands or people were going to soccer matches instead!

That bit never gets old. Old people combusting, going to soccer games. Riotously funny.

Daze - younger people like continuous action sports - soccer,
lacrosse, ice hockey, basketball, etc. I see it in my grandkids and their friends. They’re not participating in baseball as much. Older fans understand the nuances of the game as well as the traditions. Does heat and humidity play into it for older people? You bet it does. As well as just getting around. It’s not just being at the game. It’s the parking, the walk to and from the stadium, the crowds, the lines at concession stands, etc. Much easier to watch on TV. I see it in lots of friends who just don’t want the hassle of going downtown to a game any longer.

Always wise for a senior citizen to explain what young people like.

He does make good points in this post. Players like Trout, Judge, and Ohtani would have been household names 30-40 years ago but how many kids would know them now? And even when we lived 3 hours away we liked going to DT St. Louis, but I could see why others don't find it compelling. And they need a much more exciting product to get the middle aged and elderly fans out of the comfort of their easy chairs, AC, and 4K TVs. Bloom has a ton of work to do.

This is true, but the older fans and corporations are who has always supported the Cardinals.

[ilcubuffs]

"That position is currently being auditioned for by Gorman and Saggese."

When is this white noise fantasy going to end? What Gorman is going to hit .400 - the 25 HR's posters believe in, and field 3B like Brooks Robinson or Rolen the rest of the season? Saggesse - do not look now but his SO rate is at 30%. OK fielder but not a hot corner vacuum.

Time for the BBBBBZZZZ to end about reset, runway, et al. Bring up Church, Parieto, JJ, Kaperniak, etc. Give the fans something to look forward to - after all the fans are the cash cows.

[desertrat23]

I remember when some posted attendance was down because school was not out, then it was the rain, then it was the summer heat.

None of this is MO-RAN'S fault...I heard it was too hot for old people who might combust in the stands or people were going to soccer matches instead!

That bit never gets old. Old people combusting, going to soccer games. Riotously funny.

Daze - younger people like continuous action sports - soccer,
lacrosse, ice hockey, basketball, etc. I see it in my grandkids and their friends. They’re not participating in baseball as much. Older fans understand the nuances of the game as well as the traditions. Does heat and humidity play into it for older people? You bet it does. As well as just getting around. It’s not just being at the game. It’s the parking, the walk to and from the stadium, the crowds, the lines at concession stands, etc. Much easier to watch on TV. I see it in lots of friends who just don’t want the hassle of going downtown to a game any longer.

Always wise for a senior citizen to explain what young people like.

He does make good points in this post. Players like Trout, Judge, and Ohtani would have been household names 30-40 years ago but how many kids would know them now? And even when we lived 3 hours away we liked going to DT St. Louis, but I could see why others don't find it compelling. And they need a much more exciting product to get the middle aged and elderly fans out of the comfort of their easy chairs, AC, and 4K TVs. Bloom has a ton of work to do.

More kids know Trout, Ohtani and Judge than you’d think — maybe not in STL where the fanbase is old and the product has no stars. This is a fanbase where they go crazy with angst when pitchers have blue hair or wear crazy Player’s Weekend cleats or wear City Connect uniforms, even though they’re the most conservative City Connects in the league.

The Cardinals would do well to not bother trying to get elderly types out of their easy chairs, but try to market to the families with kids. Otherwise it will continue to be a slow decline.

[WLTFE]

I remember when some posted attendance was down because school was not out, then it was the rain, then it was the summer heat.

None of this is MO-RAN'S fault...I heard it was too hot for old people who might combust in the stands or people were going to soccer matches instead!

That bit never gets old. Old people combusting, going to soccer games. Riotously funny.

Daze - younger people like continuous action sports - soccer,
lacrosse, ice hockey, basketball, etc. I see it in my grandkids and their friends. They’re not participating in baseball as much. Older fans understand the nuances of the game as well as the traditions. Does heat and humidity play into it for older people? You bet it does. As well as just getting around. It’s not just being at the game. It’s the parking, the walk to and from the stadium, the crowds, the lines at concession stands, etc. Much easier to watch on TV. I see it in lots of friends who just don’t want the hassle of going downtown to a game any longer.

Always wise for a senior citizen to explain what young people like.

He does make good points in this post. Players like Trout, Judge, and Ohtani would have been household names 30-40 years ago but how many kids would know them now? And even when we lived 3 hours away we liked going to DT St. Louis, but I could see why others don't find it compelling. And they need a much more exciting product to get the middle aged and elderly fans out of the comfort of their easy chairs, AC, and 4K TVs. Bloom has a ton of work to do.

More kids know Trout, Ohtani and Judge than you’d think — maybe not in STL where the fanbase is old and the product has no stars. This is a fanbase where they go crazy with angst when pitchers have blue hair or wear crazy Player’s Weekend cleats or wear City Connect uniforms, even though they’re the most conservative City Connects in the league.

The Cardinals would do well to not bother trying to get elderly types out of their easy chairs, but try to market to the families with kids. Otherwise it will continue to be a slow decline.

Agreed...especially when we hear...'I've had mine, too bad for the future fans!'

[Mort Gage]

I remember when some posted attendance was down because school was not out, then it was the rain, then it was the summer heat.

None of this is MO-RAN'S fault...I heard it was too hot for old people who might combust in the stands or people were going to soccer matches instead!

That bit never gets old. Old people combusting, going to soccer games. Riotously funny.

Daze - younger people like continuous action sports - soccer,
lacrosse, ice hockey, basketball, etc. I see it in my grandkids and their friends. They’re not participating in baseball as much. Older fans understand the nuances of the game as well as the traditions. Does heat and humidity play into it for older people? You bet it does. As well as just getting around. It’s not just being at the game. It’s the parking, the walk to and from the stadium, the crowds, the lines at concession stands, etc. Much easier to watch on TV. I see it in lots of friends who just don’t want the hassle of going downtown to a game any longer.

Always wise for a senior citizen to explain what young people like.

He does make good points in this post. Players like Trout, Judge, and Ohtani would have been household names 30-40 years ago but how many kids would know them now? And even when we lived 3 hours away we liked going to DT St. Louis, but I could see why others don't find it compelling. And they need a much more exciting product to get the middle aged and elderly fans out of the comfort of their easy chairs, AC, and 4K TVs. Bloom has a ton of work to do.

More kids know Trout, Ohtani and Judge than you’d think — maybe not in STL where the fanbase is old and the product has no stars. This is a fanbase where they go crazy with angst when pitchers have blue hair or wear crazy Player’s Weekend cleats or wear City Connect uniforms, even though they’re the most conservative City Connects in the league.

The Cardinals would do well to not bother trying to get elderly types out of their easy chairs, but try to market to the families with kids. Otherwise it will continue to be a slow decline.

Agreed...especially when we hear...'I've had mine, too bad for the future fans!'

I'd love for kids to have a Cardinal team that is theirs. Red jacket nostalgia is great for the older crowd but it doesn't resonate as much with younger fans.

[desertrat23]

I remember when some posted attendance was down because school was not out, then it was the rain, then it was the summer heat.

None of this is MO-RAN'S fault...I heard it was too hot for old people who might combust in the stands or people were going to soccer matches instead!

That bit never gets old. Old people combusting, going to soccer games. Riotously funny.

Daze - younger people like continuous action sports - soccer,
lacrosse, ice hockey, basketball, etc. I see it in my grandkids and their friends. They’re not participating in baseball as much. Older fans understand the nuances of the game as well as the traditions. Does heat and humidity play into it for older people? You bet it does. As well as just getting around. It’s not just being at the game. It’s the parking, the walk to and from the stadium, the crowds, the lines at concession stands, etc. Much easier to watch on TV. I see it in lots of friends who just don’t want the hassle of going downtown to a game any longer.

Always wise for a senior citizen to explain what young people like.

He does make good points in this post. Players like Trout, Judge, and Ohtani would have been household names 30-40 years ago but how many kids would know them now? And even when we lived 3 hours away we liked going to DT St. Louis, but I could see why others don't find it compelling. And they need a much more exciting product to get the middle aged and elderly fans out of the comfort of their easy chairs, AC, and 4K TVs. Bloom has a ton of work to do.

More kids know Trout, Ohtani and Judge than you’d think — maybe not in STL where the fanbase is old and the product has no stars. This is a fanbase where they go crazy with angst when pitchers have blue hair or wear crazy Player’s Weekend cleats or wear City Connect uniforms, even though they’re the most conservative City Connects in the league.

The Cardinals would do well to not bother trying to get elderly types out of their easy chairs, but try to market to the families with kids. Otherwise it will continue to be a slow decline.

Agreed...especially when we hear...'I've had mine, too bad for the future fans!'

I'd love for kids to have a Cardinal team that is theirs. Red jacket nostalgia is great for the older crowd but it doesn't resonate as much with younger fans.

Nor should it. Everyone interested in the long-term health of the franchise should focus less on the past and more on the future.

[20th Century Boy]

It'll be worse next year. Marmol and the majority of his coaching staff will be back.

...and their record will be much worse.

[desertrat23]

I remember when some posted attendance was down because school was not out, then it was the rain, then it was the summer heat.

None of this is MO-RAN'S fault...I heard it was too hot for old people who might combust in the stands or people were going to soccer matches instead!

That bit never gets old. Old people combusting, going to soccer games. Riotously funny.

Daze - younger people like continuous action sports - soccer,
lacrosse, ice hockey, basketball, etc. I see it in my grandkids and their friends. They’re not participating in baseball as much. Older fans understand the nuances of the game as well as the traditions. Does heat and humidity play into it for older people? You bet it does. As well as just getting around. It’s not just being at the game. It’s the parking, the walk to and from the stadium, the crowds, the lines at concession stands, etc. Much easier to watch on TV. I see it in lots of friends who just don’t want the hassle of going downtown to a game any longer.

Always wise for a senior citizen to explain what young people like.

He does make good points in this post. Players like Trout, Judge, and Ohtani would have been household names 30-40 years ago but how many kids would know them now? And even when we lived 3 hours away we liked going to DT St. Louis, but I could see why others don't find it compelling. And they need a much more exciting product to get the middle aged and elderly fans out of the comfort of their easy chairs, AC, and 4K TVs. Bloom has a ton of work to do.

This is true, but the older fans and corporations are who has always supported the Cardinals.

The corporations will (if they don’t already) have younger leadership and should still be a cornerstone of support. Catering to retirees is a bad strategy — even if they supported historically they’re not now.

[11WSChamps]

The short attention span constantly having to be entertained crowd isn't going to get the game unless it's broken down into little pieces they can fit in some elementary puzzle.

The DH, changes in extra innings, discourage small ball, all or nothing offenses, bombarding analytics and numbers which often are mistaken for common sense. Pitchers who can't throw more than so many pitches or innings ad nauseum.

That's why winning is the only thing that's going to bring young or old to the games in what was traditional numbers.

The "younger" fans will never understand the rest.

[bonzo goes to college]

Not good for Cards history of attendance.

Attendance for the last 4 years (including this year's projected):

2022: 3.32 million
2023: 3.24 million
2024: 2.87 million
2025: 1.85 million

Estimated loss of revenue including tickets, parking, concessions, et... from this year compared to last year is projected at 53 million. Is that enough to make the front office wake up?

[skeezix]

It takes real courage (though misplaced) to lose over a million tickets sold from '24 to '25 to raise ticket prices. Reminds me of Marie Antoinette saying "Let them eat cake."

[desertrat23]

The short attention span constantly having to be entertained crowd isn't going to get the game unless it's broken down into little pieces they can fit in some elementary puzzle.

The DH, changes in extra innings, discourage small ball, all or nothing offenses, bombarding analytics and numbers which often are mistaken for common sense. Pitchers who can't throw more than so many pitches or innings ad nauseum.

That's why winning is the only thing that's going to bring young or old to the games in what was traditional numbers.

The "younger" fans will never understand the rest.

Keep yelling at that cloud…

[Gob]

You guys would be able to afford games if you didn’t spend so much on coffee.

[desertrat23]

You guys would be able to afford games if you didn’t spend so much on coffee.

Hey, that senior coffee at McDonald’s is cheap!

[11WSChamps]

The short attention span constantly having to be entertained crowd isn't going to get the game unless it's broken down into little pieces they can fit in some elementary puzzle.

The DH, changes in extra innings, discourage small ball, all or nothing offenses, bombarding analytics and numbers which often are mistaken for common sense. Pitchers who can't throw more than so many pitches or innings ad nauseum.

That's why winning is the only thing that's going to bring young or old to the games in what was traditional numbers.

The "younger" fans will never understand the rest.

Keep yelling at that cloud…

I knew you'd take the bait.

Can't help making a fool of yourself.

Congratulations.

[11WSChamps]

You guys would be able to afford games if you didn’t spend so much on coffee.

You mean the punks who spend all their discretionary income at Starbucks.