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No math or calculations necessary, what do you think?
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Re: No math or calculations necessary, what do you think?
The long-term quality of all wingers in St Louis is unknown. Our Center situation is so weak and we have no marquis talent, none of them are getting a fair shake.theograce wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 12:57 pmNot really. If the players were 27 years old or drafted in the 4th round sure. But we are talking about young 1st round picks. Not saying he will, but it’s going to blow your mind if Bolduc turns out to be a more valuable player than Snuggerud or Kyrou?netboy65 wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 12:51 pmSometimes, sure. That’s the exception rather than the rule however.theograce wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 10:33 amAnd sometimes players outperform their evaluations/pecking order. Brett Hull was once way down on a depth chart.DawgDad wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 10:18 amYes, he was, and if the guys ahead of him had performed up to expectations he might still be buried, that's the way life works. Who knows, Cranley or Zherenko might be better someday. Maybe you would have traded Kyrou or Holloway instead?theograce wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 10:06 amBinnington was 4th or 5th on the depth chartDawgDad wrote: ↑15 Aug 2025 17:41 pmBolduc on the depth chart was by all appearances behind Kyrou, Holloway, Neighbours, and potentially Snuggerud by preference, and the veteran Buchnevich.a smell of green grass wrote: ↑15 Aug 2025 16:53 pm Show me a person that is excited about Blues hockey, and I'll show you someone that is not paying attention to the great things that are happening on the other teams in the NHL.
We just traded away one of our best young wingers for Montreal's 4th-best RHD. Montreal has something to be excited about. NOT THE BLUES.
Putting Bolduc on a team with a band of star-talent is going to guarantee that he becomes more than he ever was in St Louis. If Bolduc ends up on the line with Demidov, just put up a block of all daily scoring results from Montreal. It's going to be really really ugly for us.
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Before last season Montreal came in 8th out of 8 teams 3 years in a row. Other than the covid asterisk year they haven't won a playoff round since 2015. Their fans definitely deserve to see some decent hockey finally.
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Fork their fans. They have the most Cups in the league by a mile. I don’t feel sorry for them now that they’re seeing how the other half lives.b-a-a-a-rclay wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 19:20 pm Before last season Montreal came in 8th out of 8 teams 3 years in a row. Other than the covid asterisk year they haven't won a playoff round since 2015. Their fans definitely deserve to see some decent hockey finally.
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Mailloux was their 4th best young prospect defenseman. Demidov is looking like the next Ovechkin.b-a-a-a-rclay wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 19:20 pm Before last season Montreal came in 8th out of 8 teams 3 years in a row. Other than the covid asterisk year they haven't won a playoff round since 2015. Their fans definitely deserve to see some decent hockey finally.
My bet is that the fans of Montreal will get to watch some very fine hockey players every night for 10+ years.
Other than the last half of 2019, the St Louis fans have been watching very mediocre hockey. The best thing going was the WTF in the playoffs, and now that has evaporated as well.
The people of St Louis should demand more from their hockey team.
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The Blues are counting heavily on two, maybe even three, rookies to contribute in a major way. Outside of Binnington, who was the last Blues’ rookie to be an impact player? Thomas and Fabbri contributed as third liners, but weren’t marquis players. How Snuggerud and Mailloux progress will have a lot to do with if the Blues are a playoff team, much less a contender.
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The fans should demand more by insisting that the Blues finish bottom 5 in the league for a few years in a row? Does that make sense to anyone except one person?
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It’s paid off handsomely for Buffalo.b-a-a-a-rclay wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 20:30 pm The fans should demand more by insisting that the Blues finish bottom 5 in the league for a few years in a row? Does that make sense to anyone except one person?
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The Blues actually have a backup plan. For Snuggerud, they actually have too many veteran forwards right now and potentially the next man up prospect. They have Kessel behind Maiiloux on RD. With Suter and Bjugstad replacing Faksa they would likely be a playoff bubble team or better anyway.Red7 wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 20:22 pm The Blues are counting heavily on two, maybe even three, rookies to contribute in a major way. Outside of Binnington, who was the last Blues’ rookie to be an impact player? Thomas and Fabbri contributed as third liners, but weren’t marquis players. How Snuggerud and Mailloux progress will have a lot to do with if the Blues are a playoff team, much less a contender.
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I think they are fine with those two and will do damage in the second round.Red7 wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 20:22 pm The Blues are counting heavily on two, maybe even three, rookies to contribute in a major way. Outside of Binnington, who was the last Blues’ rookie to be an impact player? Thomas and Fabbri contributed as third liners, but weren’t marquis players. How Snuggerud and Mailloux progress will have a lot to do with if the Blues are a playoff team, much less a contender.
Snuggerud played top notch hockey against men over 20 years of age and it showed last year. There will be hiccups, but a seasoned guy with his pedigree and seasoning… will do well on our top line. Buchnevich always covers for the new kid who might struggle at times.They only put Kyrou on that line later in the series because he was a ghost without Holloway.
Mailloux is the question mark , but .i think the change of atmosphere will be a huge blessing.
Holloway and Broberg will have monster years.
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Buch-Thomas-NeighboursRed7 wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 20:22 pm The Blues are counting heavily on two, maybe even three, rookies to contribute in a major way. Outside of Binnington, who was the last Blues’ rookie to be an impact player? Thomas and Fabbri contributed as third liners, but weren’t marquis players. How Snuggerud and Mailloux progress will have a lot to do with if the Blues are a playoff team, much less a contender.
Holloway-Schenn-Kyrou
Joseph-Suter-Bjugstad
Toro-Sunny-Walker
Texier Alexandrov
Fowler-Parayko
Broberg-Faulk
Tucker-Kessel
Schueneman
Binny
Hofer
Third pairing is “rough” and the 3rd line may struggle offensively(pretty good defensively, but not much offensive punch); but that’s a borderline PO team with zero rookies in the lineup.
It would be great for the rookies to come in and make a solid impact; but there is very little argument that we’re “counting” on them to do so. The impact the rookies might make are the difference between a PO bubble team and possibly pushing for 3rd in the Division. It’s marginal at best.
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That might be better than a bubble team if all the key players are healthy.kimzey59 wrote: ↑17 Aug 2025 11:40 amBuch-Thomas-NeighboursRed7 wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 20:22 pm The Blues are counting heavily on two, maybe even three, rookies to contribute in a major way. Outside of Binnington, who was the last Blues’ rookie to be an impact player? Thomas and Fabbri contributed as third liners, but weren’t marquis players. How Snuggerud and Mailloux progress will have a lot to do with if the Blues are a playoff team, much less a contender.
Holloway-Schenn-Kyrou
Joseph-Suter-Bjugstad
Toro-Sunny-Walker
Texier Alexandrov
Fowler-Parayko
Broberg-Faulk
Tucker-Kessel
Schueneman
Binny
Hofer
Third pairing is “rough” and the 3rd line may struggle offensively(pretty good defensively, but not much offensive punch); but that’s a borderline PO team with zero rookies in the lineup.
It would be great for the rookies to come in and make a solid impact; but there is very little argument that we’re “counting” on them to do so. The impact the rookies might make are the difference between a PO bubble team and possibly pushing for 3rd in the Division. It’s marginal at best.
Let's not forget Snuggerud can flat out shoot the puck. Unless he totally spits the bit he's at least a 3rd liner who should contribute on the PP.
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unless Mailloux craps the bed, there's no way he's not on the big club. Kessel is the one who's spot is in dangerkimzey59 wrote: ↑17 Aug 2025 11:40 amBuch-Thomas-NeighboursRed7 wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 20:22 pm The Blues are counting heavily on two, maybe even three, rookies to contribute in a major way. Outside of Binnington, who was the last Blues’ rookie to be an impact player? Thomas and Fabbri contributed as third liners, but weren’t marquis players. How Snuggerud and Mailloux progress will have a lot to do with if the Blues are a playoff team, much less a contender.
Holloway-Schenn-Kyrou
Joseph-Suter-Bjugstad
Toro-Sunny-Walker
Texier Alexandrov
Fowler-Parayko
Broberg-Faulk
Tucker-Kessel
Schueneman
Binny
Hofer
Third pairing is “rough” and the 3rd line may struggle offensively(pretty good defensively, but not much offensive punch); but that’s a borderline PO team with zero rookies in the lineup.
It would be great for the rookies to come in and make a solid impact; but there is very little argument that we’re “counting” on them to do so. The impact the rookies might make are the difference between a PO bubble team and possibly pushing for 3rd in the Division. It’s marginal at best.