cardstatman wrote: ↑13 Aug 2025 21:39 pm
IMHO, ownership was spending as much as ever until the past season. Spending enough isn't the problem.
The problem was they started spending stupidly. Fans can see that. You can easily find over $300M the Cards spent for a large group of players that collectively were below average over the past less than 10 years.
The other problem is that poor fundamental baseball is difficult for the older generation to watch. It is tough to take pride in that. If they knew less about baseball, it would bother them less.
The poor spending and poor fundamentals gradually turned a team that averaged 91 wins per year into to a "lucky to win 81" team.
Attendance is also down because the team marketing is horrific, the print and online media coverage is boring and often negative (they don't make baseball sound dreamy anymore), and outside of the metro area, many people not far away can't listen to games on the radio or watch them on TV without chasing around the television providers who happen to carry the game today. If baseball is not on in the house, new fans are not formed. If the kids don't care about baseball, the family is not going to the game. People used to come long distances to St Louis to see a game and visit the Arch, etc. Not much anymore. It is sad that the momentum has been lost and it will be very difficult to get back. It may not happen for decades unless the Cardinals get serious. I"m hoping Bloom gets serious and brings back intelligent baseball and intelligent ownership. It won't be easy.
IMHO, the current team lacks superstarts but is above average in talent but they lack baseball intelligence (including the manager). They are successful now and then but they give away advantages left and right. Life is tough, it is tougher when you are ignorant about how it all works.
This team if they move Arenado would have less than $70m on next years payroll and a plethora or tradable pieces and role players. What’s missing? 2 TOR SP and an elite superstar bat but they will have $100-$120m to reach the top 11 payrolls (like 2006-2011) so Tucker and 2 pitchers should be easily obtained. For you to be correct let’s see the owner spend. THEN the fans will Show up. That’s what we are all waiting for
Only if the owner spends wisely...
We could end up with Mark Ellis, Ty Wittington, Sidney Ponson, Kip Wells, Mike Leake, Andrew Miller, Greg Holland, Brett Cecil, and Dexter Fowler.
... or maybe we extend Mikolas and bring Matt Carpenter back from retirement.
However, you are correct, they will need to get back to spending as soon as the decide to make winning baseball games a team priority again.
WLTFE wrote: ↑13 Aug 2025 13:52 pm
Boring team...no stars....out of touch owner...and an arrogant P[ositively] O[bnoxious] S[impleton] Mo-ran...and apparently when it's hot, old people can't go because they will combust.
cardstatman wrote: ↑13 Aug 2025 21:39 pm
IMHO, ownership was spending as much as ever until the past season. Spending enough isn't the problem.
The problem was they started spending stupidly. Fans can see that. You can easily find over $300M the Cards spent for a large group of players that collectively were below average over the past less than 10 years.
The other problem is that poor fundamental baseball is difficult for the older generation to watch. It is tough to take pride in that. If they knew less about baseball, it would bother them less.
The poor spending and poor fundamentals gradually turned a team that averaged 91 wins per year into to a "lucky to win 81" team.
Attendance is also down because the team marketing is horrific, the print and online media coverage is boring and often negative (they don't make baseball sound dreamy anymore), and outside of the metro area, many people not far away can't listen to games on the radio or watch them on TV without chasing around the television providers who happen to carry the game today. If baseball is not on in the house, new fans are not formed. If the kids don't care about baseball, the family is not going to the game. People used to come long distances to St Louis to see a game and visit the Arch, etc. Not much anymore. It is sad that the momentum has been lost and it will be very difficult to get back. It may not happen for decades unless the Cardinals get serious. I"m hoping Bloom gets serious and brings back intelligent baseball and intelligent ownership. It won't be easy.
IMHO, the current team lacks superstarts but is above average in talent but they lack baseball intelligence (including the manager). They are successful now and then but they give away advantages left and right. Life is tough, it is tougher when you are ignorant about how it all works.
This team if they move Arenado would have less than $70m on next years payroll and a plethora or tradable pieces and role players. What’s missing? 2 TOR SP and an elite superstar bat but they will have $100-$120m to reach the top 11 payrolls (like 2006-2011) so Tucker and 2 pitchers should be easily obtained. For you to be correct let’s see the owner spend. THEN the fans will Show up. That’s what we are all waiting for
Only if the owner spends wisely...
We could end up with Mark Ellis, Ty Wittington, Sidney Ponson, Kip Wells, Mike Leake, Andrew Miller, Greg Holland, Brett Cecil, and Dexter Fowler.
... or maybe we extend Mikolas and bring Matt Carpenter back from retirement.
However, you are correct, they will need to get back to spending as soon as the decide to make winning baseball games a team priority again.
Young superstars. Superstar = HOF trajectory. Multiple all stars and consistently top 3 at their position. They have the B/C grade players. Go get the players fans want to see. They need 2-3 on offense and 2 SP that fit that criteria. Wetherholt and Doyle may be 2 in a couple years but there are no others even in the farm system.
cardstatman wrote: ↑13 Aug 2025 21:39 pm
IMHO, ownership was spending as much as ever until the past season. Spending enough isn't the problem.
The problem was they started spending stupidly. Fans can see that. You can easily find over $300M the Cards spent for a large group of players that collectively were below average over the past less than 10 years.
The other problem is that poor fundamental baseball is difficult for the older generation to watch. It is tough to take pride in that. If they knew less about baseball, it would bother them less.
The poor spending and poor fundamentals gradually turned a team that averaged 91 wins per year into to a "lucky to win 81" team.
Attendance is also down because the team marketing is horrific, the print and online media coverage is boring and often negative (they don't make baseball sound dreamy anymore), and outside of the metro area, many people not far away can't listen to games on the radio or watch them on TV without chasing around the television providers who happen to carry the game today. If baseball is not on in the house, new fans are not formed. If the kids don't care about baseball, the family is not going to the game. People used to come long distances to St Louis to see a game and visit the Arch, etc. Not much anymore. It is sad that the momentum has been lost and it will be very difficult to get back. It may not happen for decades unless the Cardinals get serious. I"m hoping Bloom gets serious and brings back intelligent baseball and intelligent ownership. It won't be easy.
IMHO, the current team lacks superstarts but is above average in talent but they lack baseball intelligence (including the manager). They are successful now and then but they give away advantages left and right. Life is tough, it is tougher when you are ignorant about how it all works.
This team if they move Arenado would have less than $70m on next years payroll and a plethora or tradable pieces and role players. What’s missing? 2 TOR SP and an elite superstar bat but they will have $100-$120m to reach the top 11 payrolls (like 2006-2011) so Tucker and 2 pitchers should be easily obtained. For you to be correct let’s see the owner spend. THEN the fans will Show up. That’s what we are all waiting for
Only if the owner spends wisely...
We could end up with Mark Ellis, Ty Wittington, Sidney Ponson, Kip Wells, Mike Leake, Andrew Miller, Greg Holland, Brett Cecil, and Dexter Fowler.
... or maybe we extend Mikolas and bring Matt Carpenter back from retirement.
However, you are correct, they will need to get back to spending as soon as the decide to make winning baseball games a team priority again.
Young superstars. Superstar = HOF trajectory. Multiple all stars and consistently top 3 at their position. They have the B/C grade players. Go get the players fans want to see. They need 2-3 on offense and 2 SP that fit that criteria. Wetherholt and Doyle may be 2 in a couple years but there are no others even in the farm system.
Wetherholt and Doyle will be here sooner than that. And you never know who else will surface. Look at Alcantara,
Gallen, Garcia, etc.
cardstatman wrote: ↑13 Aug 2025 21:39 pm
IMHO, ownership was spending as much as ever until the past season. Spending enough isn't the problem.
The problem was they started spending stupidly. Fans can see that. You can easily find over $300M the Cards spent for a large group of players that collectively were below average over the past less than 10 years.
The other problem is that poor fundamental baseball is difficult for the older generation to watch. It is tough to take pride in that. If they knew less about baseball, it would bother them less.
The poor spending and poor fundamentals gradually turned a team that averaged 91 wins per year into to a "lucky to win 81" team.
Attendance is also down because the team marketing is horrific, the print and online media coverage is boring and often negative (they don't make baseball sound dreamy anymore), and outside of the metro area, many people not far away can't listen to games on the radio or watch them on TV without chasing around the television providers who happen to carry the game today. If baseball is not on in the house, new fans are not formed. If the kids don't care about baseball, the family is not going to the game. People used to come long distances to St Louis to see a game and visit the Arch, etc. Not much anymore. It is sad that the momentum has been lost and it will be very difficult to get back. It may not happen for decades unless the Cardinals get serious. I"m hoping Bloom gets serious and brings back intelligent baseball and intelligent ownership. It won't be easy.
IMHO, the current team lacks superstarts but is above average in talent but they lack baseball intelligence (including the manager). They are successful now and then but they give away advantages left and right. Life is tough, it is tougher when you are ignorant about how it all works.
This team if they move Arenado would have less than $70m on next years payroll and a plethora or tradable pieces and role players. What’s missing? 2 TOR SP and an elite superstar bat but they will have $100-$120m to reach the top 11 payrolls (like 2006-2011) so Tucker and 2 pitchers should be easily obtained. For you to be correct let’s see the owner spend. THEN the fans will Show up. That’s what we are all waiting for
Only if the owner spends wisely...
We could end up with Mark Ellis, Ty Wittington, Sidney Ponson, Kip Wells, Mike Leake, Andrew Miller, Greg Holland, Brett Cecil, and Dexter Fowler.
... or maybe we extend Mikolas and bring Matt Carpenter back from retirement.
However, you are correct, they will need to get back to spending as soon as the decide to make winning baseball games a team priority again.
Young superstars. Superstar = HOF trajectory. Multiple all stars and consistently top 3 at their position. They have the B/C grade players. Go get the players fans want to see. They need 2-3 on offense and 2 SP that fit that criteria. Wetherholt and Doyle may be 2 in a couple years but there are no others even in the farm system.
Wetherholt and Doyle will be here sooner than that. And you never know who else will surface. Look at Alcantara,
Gallen, Garcia, etc.
Wetherholt and Doyle may be here, but they're not likely to be superstars right off the bat if ever. Albert Pujols only comes around once in a great while.
YNWA2016 wrote: ↑14 Aug 2025 14:36 pm
no sign of hope for the future in sight for this franchise.
people are finally understanding there is no future.. no hope.. if anything it's going to get worse before it gets better.
I think most people finally realize the Cardinals will never be good again or competing for the NLCS until they get new owners.
so why bother anymore with these current owners.?
the current ownership has ran it's course long ago.. time is up and nothing will change for the better until that is done.
And that’s a fact? LOL.
You can tell a big difference between how the team was run when Dewitt first bought the team and how they run it now. They used to want to win now they just hope to win and there is a big difference between the two. Previous ownership took the fans for granted lost the fans Dewitt and company came in took over turned jocketty loose he made exciting moves and brought the fans back. Now they do things like sign Lynn and Gibson and call it trying to win lol that’s not trying to win thats hoping to catch lightning in a bottle somehow squeak into the playoffs then pray for miracles
YNWA2016 wrote: ↑14 Aug 2025 14:36 pm
no sign of hope for the future in sight for this franchise.
people are finally understanding there is no future.. no hope.. if anything it's going to get worse before it gets better.
I think most people finally realize the Cardinals will never be good again or competing for the NLCS until they get new owners.
so why bother anymore with these current owners.?
the current ownership has ran it's course long ago.. time is up and nothing will change for the better until that is done.
And that’s a fact? LOL.
You can tell a big difference between how the team was run when Dewitt first bought the team and how they run it now. They used to want to win now they just hope to win and there is a big difference between the two. Previous ownership took the fans for granted lost the fans Dewitt and company came in took over turned jocketty loose he made exciting moves and brought the fans back. Now they do things like sign Lynn and Gibson and call it trying to win lol that’s not trying to win thats hoping to catch lightning in a bottle somehow squeak into the playoffs then pray for miracles
That pretty much sums it up, but also the cost of attending a game and the horribly hot and wet weather in St.Louis. Is there any measure on how the televised games are being viewed?
