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Where are the Cardinals fans?

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Matt Snyder of CBS Sports wants to know:

https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/snyd ... w-a-crowd/
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Re: Where are the Cardinals fans?

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Boring team...no stars....out of touch owner...and an arrogant P[ositively] O[bnoxious] S[impleton] Mo-ran...and apparently when it's hot, old people can't go because they will combust.
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WLTFE wrote: 13 Aug 2025 13:52 pm Boring team...no stars....out of touch owner...and an arrogant P[ositively] O[bnoxious] S[impleton] Mo-ran...and apparently when it's hot, old people can't go because they will combust.
You forgot that you have a 100% chance of being murdered if you go downtown.
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desertrat23 wrote: 13 Aug 2025 14:25 pm
WLTFE wrote: 13 Aug 2025 13:52 pm Boring team...no stars....out of touch owner...and an arrogant P[ositively] O[bnoxious] S[impleton] Mo-ran...and apparently when it's hot, old people can't go because they will combust.
You forgot that you have a 100% chance of being murdered if you go downtown.
Or going to soccer matches instead!
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Re: Where are the Cardinals fans?

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Wonder if Moe the stooge will ever follow-up on that 'be patient' mess.
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Guy gets paid to write juvenile [nonsense] like that?
Sure, the Cardinals were sellers in front of the trade deadline, they are only three games out of a playoff spot right now. Three games! That's totally workable.
Maybe Cards fans are tired of ownership just trying to squeak into the playoffs year after year without any real hope of advancing? Maybe baseball fans in general are simply less impressed with playoff appearances these days since they've started letting in half the league?

All I know for sure is that I can put out a more intelligent and better written blog post than that if someone wants to pay me for it.
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desertrat23 wrote: 13 Aug 2025 14:25 pm
WLTFE wrote: 13 Aug 2025 13:52 pm Boring team...no stars....out of touch owner...and an arrogant P[ositively] O[bnoxious] S[impleton] Mo-ran...and apparently when it's hot, old people can't go because they will combust.
You forgot that you have a 100% chance of being murdered if you go downtown.
While that isn't true, a lot of the baseball fan demographic in St. Louis are older white guys who believe that and perception is reality.
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Re: Where are the Cardinals fans?

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JohnnyMO wrote: 13 Aug 2025 14:30 pm
desertrat23 wrote: 13 Aug 2025 14:25 pm
WLTFE wrote: 13 Aug 2025 13:52 pm Boring team...no stars....out of touch owner...and an arrogant P[ositively] O[bnoxious] S[impleton] Mo-ran...and apparently when it's hot, old people can't go because they will combust.
You forgot that you have a 100% chance of being murdered if you go downtown.
While that isn't true, a lot of the baseball fan demographic in St. Louis are older white guys who believe that and perception is reality.
Yep. An age cohort that is doing more damage to the franchise than they realize.
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3dender wrote: 13 Aug 2025 14:29 pm Guy gets paid to write juvenile [nonsense] like that?
Sure, the Cardinals were sellers in front of the trade deadline, they are only three games out of a playoff spot right now. Three games! That's totally workable.
Maybe Cards fans are tired of ownership just trying to squeak into the playoffs year after year without any real hope of advancing? Maybe baseball fans in general are simply less impressed with playoff appearances these days since they've started letting in half the league?

Excellent point.

And, ownership wanted to have 14 teams in during the last CBA negotiation process before relenting. When the game expands by two more teams, you'll see the 14 and, likely, a push on their part to have 16 teams.
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Well I saw a grand total of 6 crammed into the Budweiser terrace
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Re: Where are the Cardinals fans?

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Imperial Capitalist wrote: 13 Aug 2025 15:03 pm
3dender wrote: 13 Aug 2025 14:29 pm Guy gets paid to write juvenile [nonsense] like that?
Sure, the Cardinals were sellers in front of the trade deadline, they are only three games out of a playoff spot right now. Three games! That's totally workable.
Maybe Cards fans are tired of ownership just trying to squeak into the playoffs year after year without any real hope of advancing? Maybe baseball fans in general are simply less impressed with playoff appearances these days since they've started letting in half the league?

Excellent point.

And, ownership wanted to have 14 teams in during the last CBA negotiation process before relenting. When the game expands by two more teams, you'll see the 14 and, likely, a push on their part to have 16 teams.
Cutting payroll was the last straw. It is now clear to some holdout fans that the owner cares more for profit than fielding a team fans want to watch. Getting fans back will be harder than loosing them. It will take another WS to get back to 3.5m. Even prior to cutting spending there were no young fans. 80% of the Cardinals fans are over 50.
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Youboughtit wrote: 13 Aug 2025 15:13 pm
Even prior to cutting spending there were no young fans. 80% of the Cardinals fans are over 50.
And that should be considered a five-alarm fire.
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desertrat23 wrote: 13 Aug 2025 15:19 pm
Youboughtit wrote: 13 Aug 2025 15:13 pm
Even prior to cutting spending there were no young fans. 80% of the Cardinals fans are over 50.
And that should be considered a five-alarm fire.
Look at the posters on here...an unusual amount of old farts!... except me, because I'm a young 73!!!
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JohnnyMO wrote: 13 Aug 2025 14:30 pm
desertrat23 wrote: 13 Aug 2025 14:25 pm
WLTFE wrote: 13 Aug 2025 13:52 pm Boring team...no stars....out of touch owner...and an arrogant P[ositively] O[bnoxious] S[impleton] Mo-ran...and apparently when it's hot, old people can't go because they will combust.
You forgot that you have a 100% chance of being murdered if you go downtown.
While that isn't true, a lot of the baseball fan demographic in St. Louis are older white guys who believe that and perception is reality.
The reality is when it comes to gun related crimes st. Louis was ranked first. So for some it may be a concern and being criticized for it is juvenile at best.

I don't go to hardly any games because I don't agree with how the franchise is being run

Also for a lot of younger fans as well older ones they're being priced out. How many folks raising a family can afford to buy season tickets given the state of the ballclub.
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WLTFE wrote: 13 Aug 2025 13:52 pm Boring team...no stars....out of touch owner...and an arrogant P[ositively] O[bnoxious] S[impleton] Mo-ran...and apparently when it's hot, old people can't go because they will combust.

Why take a shot at old people. I was with you until then. The team, the owner, the POBO all have a lot to do with no one showing up to the games but what did old people have to do with any of this.
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Re: Where are the Cardinals fans?

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Youboughtit wrote: 13 Aug 2025 15:13 pm
Imperial Capitalist wrote: 13 Aug 2025 15:03 pm
3dender wrote: 13 Aug 2025 14:29 pm Guy gets paid to write juvenile [nonsense] like that?
Sure, the Cardinals were sellers in front of the trade deadline, they are only three games out of a playoff spot right now. Three games! That's totally workable.
Maybe Cards fans are tired of ownership just trying to squeak into the playoffs year after year without any real hope of advancing? Maybe baseball fans in general are simply less impressed with playoff appearances these days since they've started letting in half the league?

Excellent point.

And, ownership wanted to have 14 teams in during the last CBA negotiation process before relenting. When the game expands by two more teams, you'll see the 14 and, likely, a push on their part to have 16 teams.
Cutting payroll was the last straw. It is now clear to some holdout fans that the owner cares more for profit than fielding a team fans want to watch. Getting fans back will be harder than loosing them. It will take another WS to get back to 3.5m. Even prior to cutting spending there were no young fans. 80% of the Cardinals fans are over 50.
Yup, especially that bolded part. Ridiculous for media to essentially scold fans for not resuming support quickly enough.
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