Saggese looks solid at 3B and 2B defensively

[Shady]

I continue to hear chatter of Saggese, possibly, getting some work next spring training in the outfield.To enhance his value of a utility type player. In the radio conversation it was opinionated that Saggese has shown more athleticism in the last couple weeks with the Cardinals.

As far as using Saggese in the outfield. I assume it would be, possibly, having him in LF in order to get his RH bat in the lineup vs LHP. Wouldn't it help the offense to catch Herrera, Burleson DH and Saggese in LF?

why are we catching Herrera? He can't throw out runners while in the 1 knee kneel crouch. It's the mandatory catching meta now. It's the reason Contreras gladly took to 1B.

So again...why are we trying to return Herrera to catching?

People's bats will get them PA's. That's been the standard since the invention of the game.

"So again...why are we trying to return Herrera to catching?" If Saggese develops as a really productive hitter. it would open up a spot in the lineup to have Herrera catch against LHP. Also, keeping Donovan and Wetherholt in the lineup.

He's not a catcher anymore. He can't handle baserunners, and he has trouble blocking pitches.....essentially, he's slow to get out of the 1 knee crouch.

Saggese will never remove Donovan and Wetherholt....especially Wetherholt. The Pedigree of a #1 pick, #7 overall...now looking like the 1st or 2nd best player from the draft (Kurtz is probably 1A right now. That pedigree carries a lot of weight...and he's backing it up.

You don't give Saggese a position when he hasn't earned it. And you don't try to put a square peg in a round hole to create him an opportunity.

Try a different route. Herrera may want to catch, but he can't. We've been through that as a team this year. The pitcher prefer Pages ability behind the plate...not Herrera's

Players can work to improve. And it's not out of the realm of possibility that Saggese's bat and athleticism could get him some eventual starts in LF vs LHP. That's just my opinion. The radio folks on a show were pretty pumped about Saggese today.

3 hits, he finally had a good game. 1 game doesn't make a season.

come on...seriously. I hope Herrera can do whatever he can to improve. Same with Saggese, but I'm not creating playing time built off hope....only rebellion can be built off hope.

Wait, you don't think it's perfectly sensible--prudent, even--for the Cardinals to build all their future plans around Thomas Saggese?

[Shady]

I continue to hear chatter of Saggese, possibly, getting some work next spring training in the outfield.To enhance his value of a utility type player. In the radio conversation it was opinionated that Saggese has shown more athleticism in the last couple weeks with the Cardinals.

As far as using Saggese in the outfield. I assume it would be, possibly, having him in LF in order to get his RH bat in the lineup vs LHP. Wouldn't it help the offense to catch Herrera, Burleson DH and Saggese in LF?

why are we catching Herrera? He can't throw out runners while in the 1 knee kneel crouch. It's the mandatory catching meta now. It's the reason Contreras gladly took to 1B.

So again...why are we trying to return Herrera to catching?

People's bats will get them PA's. That's been the standard since the invention of the game.

"So again...why are we trying to return Herrera to catching?" If Saggese develops as a really productive hitter. it would open up a spot in the lineup to have Herrera catch against LHP. Also, keeping Donovan and Wetherholt in the lineup.

He's not a catcher anymore. He can't handle baserunners, and he has trouble blocking pitches.....essentially, he's slow to get out of the 1 knee crouch.

Saggese will never remove Donovan and Wetherholt....especially Wetherholt. The Pedigree of a #1 pick, #7 overall...now looking like the 1st or 2nd best player from the draft (Kurtz is probably 1A right now. That pedigree carries a lot of weight...and he's backing it up.

You don't give Saggese a position when he hasn't earned it. And you don't try to put a square peg in a round hole to create him an opportunity.

Try a different route. Herrera may want to catch, but he can't. We've been through that as a team this year. The pitcher prefer Pages ability behind the plate...not Herrera's

Players can work to improve. And it's not out of the realm of possibility that Saggese's bat and athleticism could get him some eventual starts in LF vs LHP. That's just my opinion. The radio folks on a show were pretty pumped about Saggese today.

3 hits, he finally had a good game. 1 game doesn't make a season.

come on...seriously. I hope Herrera can do whatever he can to improve. Same with Saggese, but I'm not creating playing time built off hope....only rebellion can be built off hope.

Wait, you don't think it's perfectly sensible--prudent, even--for the Cardinals to build all their future plans around Thomas Saggese?

Not saying that at all. There were some radio hosts today that really like the progress they've seen in Saggese in the last couple weeks. They see more athleticism. And I happen to agree with them

[MIDMOBIRDTWO]

Awesome! Saggese turned into an athlete this week! Great news.

[Shady]

Awesome! Saggese turned into an athlete this week! Great news.

With all due respect or disrespect. LOL You simply don't get it. Sometimes things seem to click and confidence builds up.

[swatski]

I think Saggese does show some athleticism but to me until he learns to lay off the inside pitch he will struggle. He swings at everything in and I think I could jam him with my 73 year old fastball. Even his hits all seem to be off the handle.

[Shady]

I think Saggese does show some athleticism but to me until he learns to lay off the inside pitch he will struggle. He swings at everything in and I think I could jam him with my 73 year old fastball. Even his hits all seem to be off the handle.

Good observation. I've noticed the same thing. Evidently, he's very astute and is working on it.

[NYCardsFan]

Awesome! Saggese turned into an athlete this week! Great news.

With all due respect or disrespect. LOL You simply don't get it. Sometimes things seem to click and confidence builds up.

What does any of that have to do with alleged “progress” in “athleticism” purportedly achieved in just the last two weeks?

[MIDMOBIRDTWO]

Awesome! Saggese turned into an athlete this week! Great news.

With all due respect or disrespect. LOL You simply don't get it. Sometimes things seem to click and confidence builds up.

I get plenty, but don't make everything into some mysterious revelation. You seem to have to get some attention any old way. How the mighty have fallen. You could have been a contender.

[AnExParrot]

With these kinds of standards, Winn would never have been back after his sad first season.

Winn didn't have a sad first season. He had a sad late season call-up to get his feet wet, which has happened to many players in baseball history.

Winn's first season was very good considering his overall production - league average bat at a premium defensive position with... premium defense.

[AnExParrot]

You’re the one comparing stats, with no reference to ML experience (PAs) or age.

No, I was clearly (and directly) replying to and criticizing Shady’s comparison of those three largely unrelated players based on their batting averages. I then provided the same comparison based on their overall offensive productivity, and then asked “What’s your point?” to make clear I thought the comparison itself lacked context and was pointless (I even noted how small the sample size is for Saggese). Interesting how you chose to snip all of that context out of your reply above.

If you have an issue with comparing those three particular players, why don’t (didn’t) you take it up with Shady—you know, the guy who was actually making the comparison? But no, you were perfectly fine with Shady’s post—in fact, you even replied favorably to it. Then, in the next breath, you go out of your way to try to pick an argument with me for criticizing that comparison.

Per AnExParrot’s prior comment in this thread, and for the sake of variety, maybe try actually reading posts carefully before you respond to them for a change. And because I know how exceedingly important is to you to always have the last word, I will now gladly cede the floor and end this “conversation” from my end. Find someone else to troll.

I don’t troll, NY. I just post like everyone else.
By the way, why are you so secretive about where you live in New York? Or came from in New York?
It’s bizarre why you won’t answer such a simple and innocent question.

Because it's absolutely none of your business, you creepy old man.

[Cranny]

You’re the one comparing stats, with no reference to ML experience (PAs) or age.

No, I was clearly (and directly) replying to and criticizing Shady’s comparison of those three largely unrelated players based on their batting averages. I then provided the same comparison based on their overall offensive productivity, and then asked “What’s your point?” to make clear I thought the comparison itself lacked context and was pointless (I even noted how small the sample size is for Saggese). Interesting how you chose to snip all of that context out of your reply above.

If you have an issue with comparing those three particular players, why don’t (didn’t) you take it up with Shady—you know, the guy who was actually making the comparison? But no, you were perfectly fine with Shady’s post—in fact, you even replied favorably to it. Then, in the next breath, you go out of your way to try to pick an argument with me for criticizing that comparison.

Per AnExParrot’s prior comment in this thread, and for the sake of variety, maybe try actually reading posts carefully before you respond to them for a change. And because I know how exceedingly important is to you to always have the last word, I will now gladly cede the floor and end this “conversation” from my end. Find someone else to troll.

I don’t troll, NY. I just post like everyone else.
By the way, why are you so secretive about where you live in New York? Or came from in New York?
It’s bizarre why you won’t answer such a simple and innocent question.

Because it's absolutely none of your business, you creepy old man.

Thank you for your kind post, AEP. Your graciousness is overflowing.

[AnExParrot]

You’re the one comparing stats, with no reference to ML experience (PAs) or age.

No, I was clearly (and directly) replying to and criticizing Shady’s comparison of those three largely unrelated players based on their batting averages. I then provided the same comparison based on their overall offensive productivity, and then asked “What’s your point?” to make clear I thought the comparison itself lacked context and was pointless (I even noted how small the sample size is for Saggese). Interesting how you chose to snip all of that context out of your reply above.

If you have an issue with comparing those three particular players, why don’t (didn’t) you take it up with Shady—you know, the guy who was actually making the comparison? But no, you were perfectly fine with Shady’s post—in fact, you even replied favorably to it. Then, in the next breath, you go out of your way to try to pick an argument with me for criticizing that comparison.

Per AnExParrot’s prior comment in this thread, and for the sake of variety, maybe try actually reading posts carefully before you respond to them for a change. And because I know how exceedingly important is to you to always have the last word, I will now gladly cede the floor and end this “conversation” from my end. Find someone else to troll.

I don’t troll, NY. I just post like everyone else.
By the way, why are you so secretive about where you live in New York? Or came from in New York?
It’s bizarre why you won’t answer such a simple and innocent question.

Because it's absolutely none of your business, you creepy old man.

Thank you for your kind post, AEP. Your graciousness is overflowing.

Eat a dick, your passive-aggressive (bleep) is always overflowing.

[Cranny]

You’re the one comparing stats, with no reference to ML experience (PAs) or age.

No, I was clearly (and directly) replying to and criticizing Shady’s comparison of those three largely unrelated players based on their batting averages. I then provided the same comparison based on their overall offensive productivity, and then asked “What’s your point?” to make clear I thought the comparison itself lacked context and was pointless (I even noted how small the sample size is for Saggese). Interesting how you chose to snip all of that context out of your reply above.

If you have an issue with comparing those three particular players, why don’t (didn’t) you take it up with Shady—you know, the guy who was actually making the comparison? But no, you were perfectly fine with Shady’s post—in fact, you even replied favorably to it. Then, in the next breath, you go out of your way to try to pick an argument with me for criticizing that comparison.

Per AnExParrot’s prior comment in this thread, and for the sake of variety, maybe try actually reading posts carefully before you respond to them for a change. And because I know how exceedingly important is to you to always have the last word, I will now gladly cede the floor and end this “conversation” from my end. Find someone else to troll.

I don’t troll, NY. I just post like everyone else.
By the way, why are you so secretive about where you live in New York? Or came from in New York?
It’s bizarre why you won’t answer such a simple and innocent question.

Because it's absolutely none of your business, you creepy old man.

Thank you for your kind post, AEP. Your graciousness is overflowing.

Eat a dick, your passive-aggressive (bleep) is always overflowing.

What a classy post. You must be very proud of yourself.

[AnExParrot]

You’re the one comparing stats, with no reference to ML experience (PAs) or age.

No, I was clearly (and directly) replying to and criticizing Shady’s comparison of those three largely unrelated players based on their batting averages. I then provided the same comparison based on their overall offensive productivity, and then asked “What’s your point?” to make clear I thought the comparison itself lacked context and was pointless (I even noted how small the sample size is for Saggese). Interesting how you chose to snip all of that context out of your reply above.

If you have an issue with comparing those three particular players, why don’t (didn’t) you take it up with Shady—you know, the guy who was actually making the comparison? But no, you were perfectly fine with Shady’s post—in fact, you even replied favorably to it. Then, in the next breath, you go out of your way to try to pick an argument with me for criticizing that comparison.

Per AnExParrot’s prior comment in this thread, and for the sake of variety, maybe try actually reading posts carefully before you respond to them for a change. And because I know how exceedingly important is to you to always have the last word, I will now gladly cede the floor and end this “conversation” from my end. Find someone else to troll.

I don’t troll, NY. I just post like everyone else.
By the way, why are you so secretive about where you live in New York? Or came from in New York?
It’s bizarre why you won’t answer such a simple and innocent question.

Because it's absolutely none of your business, you creepy old man.

Thank you for your kind post, AEP. Your graciousness is overflowing.

Eat a dick, your passive-aggressive (bleep) is always overflowing.

What a classy post. You must be very proud of yourself.

I am, as it isn't some snide passive-aggressive (bleep).

[Cranny]

You’re the one comparing stats, with no reference to ML experience (PAs) or age.

No, I was clearly (and directly) replying to and criticizing Shady’s comparison of those three largely unrelated players based on their batting averages. I then provided the same comparison based on their overall offensive productivity, and then asked “What’s your point?” to make clear I thought the comparison itself lacked context and was pointless (I even noted how small the sample size is for Saggese). Interesting how you chose to snip all of that context out of your reply above.

If you have an issue with comparing those three particular players, why don’t (didn’t) you take it up with Shady—you know, the guy who was actually making the comparison? But no, you were perfectly fine with Shady’s post—in fact, you even replied favorably to it. Then, in the next breath, you go out of your way to try to pick an argument with me for criticizing that comparison.

Per AnExParrot’s prior comment in this thread, and for the sake of variety, maybe try actually reading posts carefully before you respond to them for a change. And because I know how exceedingly important is to you to always have the last word, I will now gladly cede the floor and end this “conversation” from my end. Find someone else to troll.

I don’t troll, NY. I just post like everyone else.
By the way, why are you so secretive about where you live in New York? Or came from in New York?
It’s bizarre why you won’t answer such a simple and innocent question.

Because it's absolutely none of your business, you creepy old man.

Thank you for your kind post, AEP. Your graciousness is overflowing.

Eat a dick, your passive-aggressive (bleep) is always overflowing.

What a classy post. You must be very proud of yourself.

I am, as it isn't some snide passive-aggressive (bleep).

Proud of yourself for being disgusting? LOL. Oh brother.

[AnExParrot]

You’re the one comparing stats, with no reference to ML experience (PAs) or age.

No, I was clearly (and directly) replying to and criticizing Shady’s comparison of those three largely unrelated players based on their batting averages. I then provided the same comparison based on their overall offensive productivity, and then asked “What’s your point?” to make clear I thought the comparison itself lacked context and was pointless (I even noted how small the sample size is for Saggese). Interesting how you chose to snip all of that context out of your reply above.

If you have an issue with comparing those three particular players, why don’t (didn’t) you take it up with Shady—you know, the guy who was actually making the comparison? But no, you were perfectly fine with Shady’s post—in fact, you even replied favorably to it. Then, in the next breath, you go out of your way to try to pick an argument with me for criticizing that comparison.

Per AnExParrot’s prior comment in this thread, and for the sake of variety, maybe try actually reading posts carefully before you respond to them for a change. And because I know how exceedingly important is to you to always have the last word, I will now gladly cede the floor and end this “conversation” from my end. Find someone else to troll.

I don’t troll, NY. I just post like everyone else.
By the way, why are you so secretive about where you live in New York? Or came from in New York?
It’s bizarre why you won’t answer such a simple and innocent question.

Because it's absolutely none of your business, you creepy old man.

Thank you for your kind post, AEP. Your graciousness is overflowing.

Eat a dick, your passive-aggressive (bleep) is always overflowing.

What a classy post. You must be very proud of yourself.

I am, as it isn't some snide passive-aggressive (bleep).

Proud of yourself for being disgusting? LOL. Oh brother.

Yup, and even prouder for it being directed at you.