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TIMES AND PROBABLES

Memphis @ Charlotte ~ 6:04pm CDT

RHP Curtis Taylor (7-3, 3.06 ERA)

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Springfield vs. Wichita ~ 7:05pm CDT

RHP Brandt Thompson (1-0, 1.50 ERA ; 3-7, 3.80 ERA on the season)

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Peoria @ Lake County ~ 6:00pm CDT

RHP Nate Dohm (0-0, 3.00 ERA ; 3-5, 2.88 ERA on the season)

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Palm Beach vs. Bradenton ~ 5:30pm CDT

RHP Leonel Sequera (4-8, 4.18 ERA)
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Our Minor League Pitcher of the Month is LHP Braden Davis!

Davis, 22, went 2-0 with a 1.14 ERA, 0.80 WHIP & 38 SO across 5 starts with Palm Beach and Peoria. Davis ranked first among all Cardinals qualified minor league hurlers in ERA, WHIP, SO, SO/9 (14.45), and opp. avg. (.115).

His July was highlighted by a 13.0 inning scoreless streak to begin the month, including a career-high 6.0 shutout innings with 11 SO on July 8. He produced almost identical lines in his first two starts with Peoria, tossing 5.0 innings and allowing just one run on two hits with eight strikeouts in each start.

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Our Minor League Player of the Month is INF JJ Wetherholt!

Wetherholt, 22, slashed .306/.395/.708 with 7 HR, 16 RBI, 18 R and 14 XBH in 19 games between Memphis and Springfield. His 1.103 OPS led all qualified Cardinals minor leaguers.

His outstanding month included an extra-inning walk-off single on July 1, his first career multi-homer games on July 6 & 23, and leading off the NL lineup at the MLB Futures Game.


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Congratulations to LHP Brycen Mautz (AA) on being named Texas League Pitcher of the Week!

Mautz spun a dominant performance with 6.0 shutout innings, three baserunners allowed and a season-high 10 SO, including retiring his final six via strikeout.

Coming off being named the league's Pitcher of the Month, Mautz is 4-0 with a 1.04 ERA & 0.92 WHIP over his last 7 starts since July 1.

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Congratulations to LHP Quinn Mathews (AAA) on being named International League Pitcher of the Week!

Mathews had his best start of the season, tossing 7.0 shutout innings, allowing just four baserunners with a season-high 9 strikeouts vs. Durham on Aug. 7.

It marks his second weekly honor of the season and fifth of his career.

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looking at all these awards given out this year....

and you can't help but think "We're really stacked at "LHP"....and very brittle at "RHP"

IL RHP ~ Hence, Roby, Robberse, Bedell (just got off a 4 month stint), Santos, Rincon, Lin (just returned from his 3rd IL stint this season), Brian Holliday. While not hurt, they're pitching hurts the fans ~ Davila, Saladin, Salas.

IL LHP ~ Z. Thompson, Rom, Hjerpe.
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craviduce wrote: 12 Aug 2025 13:01 pm looking at all these awards given out this year....

and you can't help but think "We're really stacked at "LHP"....and very brittle at "RHP"

IL RHP ~ Hence, Roby, Robberse, Bedell (just got off a 4 month stint), Santos, Rincon, Lin (just returned from his 3rd IL stint this season). While not hurt, they're pitching hurts the fans ~ Davila, Saladin, Salas.

IL LHP ~ Z. Thompson, Rom, Hjerpe.
Lefty starters always get me to wishing for the next John Tudor. May have more than one candidate.
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MIDMOBIRDTWO wrote: 12 Aug 2025 13:06 pm
craviduce wrote: 12 Aug 2025 13:01 pm looking at all these awards given out this year....

and you can't help but think "We're really stacked at "LHP"....and very brittle at "RHP"

IL RHP ~ Hence, Roby, Robberse, Bedell (just got off a 4 month stint), Santos, Rincon, Lin (just returned from his 3rd IL stint this season). While not hurt, they're pitching hurts the fans ~ Davila, Saladin, Salas.

IL LHP ~ Z. Thompson, Rom, Hjerpe.
Lefty starters always get me to wishing for the next John Tudor. May have more than one candidate.
4-5 K/9 rate....that doesn't play 40 years later. The meta has changed. I hope and pray we don't have any Tudors on their way.
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MIDMOBIRDTWO wrote: 12 Aug 2025 13:06 pm
craviduce wrote: 12 Aug 2025 13:01 pm looking at all these awards given out this year....

and you can't help but think "We're really stacked at "LHP"....and very brittle at "RHP"

IL RHP ~ Hence, Roby, Robberse, Bedell (just got off a 4 month stint), Santos, Rincon, Lin (just returned from his 3rd IL stint this season). While not hurt, they're pitching hurts the fans ~ Davila, Saladin, Salas.

IL LHP ~ Z. Thompson, Rom, Hjerpe.
Lefty starters always get me to wishing for the next John Tudor. May have more than one candidate.
but...I always liked how he could very deep into games. Makes you wonder was it because he wasn't max output every pitch? You don't see guys going 270 innings anymore....max output with every pitch, every inning is the biggest reason why.

Also makes you wonder....could pure hitters like Carew, Gwynn, Boggs, Clemente....would they be able to succeed in today's Meta? Power Four Seamer, Power Slider, Power Change? I would've loved to see each compete today. Ichiro did....so I'm thinking they'd probably succeed, too.
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craviduce wrote: 12 Aug 2025 13:21 pm
MIDMOBIRDTWO wrote: 12 Aug 2025 13:06 pm
craviduce wrote: 12 Aug 2025 13:01 pm looking at all these awards given out this year....

and you can't help but think "We're really stacked at "LHP"....and very brittle at "RHP"

IL RHP ~ Hence, Roby, Robberse, Bedell (just got off a 4 month stint), Santos, Rincon, Lin (just returned from his 3rd IL stint this season). While not hurt, they're pitching hurts the fans ~ Davila, Saladin, Salas.

IL LHP ~ Z. Thompson, Rom, Hjerpe.
Lefty starters always get me to wishing for the next John Tudor. May have more than one candidate.
but...I always liked how he could very deep into games. Makes you wonder was because he wasn't max output every pitch? You don't see guys going 270 innings anymore....max output with every pitch, every inning is a biggest reason why.

Also makes you wonder....could pure hitters like Carew, Gwynn, Boggs, Clemente....would they be able to succeed in todays Meta? Power Four Seamer, Power Slider, Power Change? I would've love to see each compete today. Ichiro did....so I'm thinking they're probably succeed, too.
True dat. I admired Tudor because he would come inside with the fast ball, then drop that little sinker over the outside corner and often got the GIDP or a groundout to Ozzie or Pendleton. Different age, but like the hitters you mentioned, some pitchers would be fun to watch compete with the all or nothing free swingers today.
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craviduce wrote: 12 Aug 2025 13:08 pm
MIDMOBIRDTWO wrote: 12 Aug 2025 13:06 pm
craviduce wrote: 12 Aug 2025 13:01 pm looking at all these awards given out this year....

and you can't help but think "We're really stacked at "LHP"....and very brittle at "RHP"

IL RHP ~ Hence, Roby, Robberse, Bedell (just got off a 4 month stint), Santos, Rincon, Lin (just returned from his 3rd IL stint this season). While not hurt, they're pitching hurts the fans ~ Davila, Saladin, Salas.

IL LHP ~ Z. Thompson, Rom, Hjerpe.
Lefty starters always get me to wishing for the next John Tudor. May have more than one candidate.
4-5 K/9 rate....that doesn't play 40 years later. The meta has changed. I hope and pray we don't have any Tudors on their way.
Very true. Although that kind of K rate was league average back then. So that’d be like a LHP striking out around 8-9 per 9 now. I’d take that over what we have now. Our rotation is pitiful when it comes to K’s. Mathews, Davis, and Liam Doyle will hopefully change that.
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Futuregm2 wrote: 12 Aug 2025 13:34 pm
craviduce wrote: 12 Aug 2025 13:08 pm
MIDMOBIRDTWO wrote: 12 Aug 2025 13:06 pm
craviduce wrote: 12 Aug 2025 13:01 pm looking at all these awards given out this year....

and you can't help but think "We're really stacked at "LHP"....and very brittle at "RHP"

IL RHP ~ Hence, Roby, Robberse, Bedell (just got off a 4 month stint), Santos, Rincon, Lin (just returned from his 3rd IL stint this season). While not hurt, they're pitching hurts the fans ~ Davila, Saladin, Salas.

IL LHP ~ Z. Thompson, Rom, Hjerpe.
Lefty starters always get me to wishing for the next John Tudor. May have more than one candidate.
4-5 K/9 rate....that doesn't play 40 years later. The meta has changed. I hope and pray we don't have any Tudors on their way.
Very true. Although that kind of K rate was league average back then. So that’d be like a LHP striking out around 8-9 per 9 now. I’d take that over what we have now. Our rotation is pitiful when it comes to K’s. Mathews, Davis, and Liam Doyle will hopefully change that.
do you really think the per 9 equates to 8-9 per 9 today? Interesting. hmmm. I'd really like to get into the math on that...that would be a fascinating dig...I love sifting through data.
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Futuregm2 wrote: 12 Aug 2025 13:34 pm
craviduce wrote: 12 Aug 2025 13:08 pm
MIDMOBIRDTWO wrote: 12 Aug 2025 13:06 pm
craviduce wrote: 12 Aug 2025 13:01 pm looking at all these awards given out this year....

and you can't help but think "We're really stacked at "LHP"....and very brittle at "RHP"

IL RHP ~ Hence, Roby, Robberse, Bedell (just got off a 4 month stint), Santos, Rincon, Lin (just returned from his 3rd IL stint this season). While not hurt, they're pitching hurts the fans ~ Davila, Saladin, Salas.

IL LHP ~ Z. Thompson, Rom, Hjerpe.
Lefty starters always get me to wishing for the next John Tudor. May have more than one candidate.
4-5 K/9 rate....that doesn't play 40 years later. The meta has changed. I hope and pray we don't have any Tudors on their way.
Very true. Although that kind of K rate was league average back then. So that’d be like a LHP striking out around 8-9 per 9 now. I’d take that over what we have now. Our rotation is pitiful when it comes to K’s. Mathews, Davis, and Liam Doyle will hopefully change that.
"Davis"

this it the other part of your comment that I wanted to ask you about. Do you think Davis can make it to the rotation? Does the command get consistent enough to maintain a rotation spot?

I love the kid, his stuff is incredible for his stature. I just don't know if he can bring all together and stay on the mound long enough to be effective as a starter...5-7 innings, every singe start....or at least 90-95% of them
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craviduce wrote: 12 Aug 2025 14:09 pm
Futuregm2 wrote: 12 Aug 2025 13:34 pm
craviduce wrote: 12 Aug 2025 13:08 pm
MIDMOBIRDTWO wrote: 12 Aug 2025 13:06 pm
craviduce wrote: 12 Aug 2025 13:01 pm looking at all these awards given out this year....

and you can't help but think "We're really stacked at "LHP"....and very brittle at "RHP"

IL RHP ~ Hence, Roby, Robberse, Bedell (just got off a 4 month stint), Santos, Rincon, Lin (just returned from his 3rd IL stint this season). While not hurt, they're pitching hurts the fans ~ Davila, Saladin, Salas.

IL LHP ~ Z. Thompson, Rom, Hjerpe.
Lefty starters always get me to wishing for the next John Tudor. May have more than one candidate.
4-5 K/9 rate....that doesn't play 40 years later. The meta has changed. I hope and pray we don't have any Tudors on their way.
Very true. Although that kind of K rate was league average back then. So that’d be like a LHP striking out around 8-9 per 9 now. I’d take that over what we have now. Our rotation is pitiful when it comes to K’s. Mathews, Davis, and Liam Doyle will hopefully change that.
do you really think the per 9 equates to 8-9 per 9 today? Interesting. hmmm. I'd really like to get into the math on that...that would be a fascinating dig...I love sifting through data.
Well the average K/9 from 1983-87
5.18
5.37
5.37
5.90
6.01
Average K/9: 5.57

Tudor’s K/9
5.10
5.00
5.50
4.40
5.10
Average K/9: 5.0

League average K/9 2021-25
8.90
8.53
8.74
8.60
8.39
Average K/9: 8.64

So I’d say it’s probably around 8ish.
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craviduce wrote: 12 Aug 2025 14:10 pm
Futuregm2 wrote: 12 Aug 2025 13:34 pm
craviduce wrote: 12 Aug 2025 13:08 pm
MIDMOBIRDTWO wrote: 12 Aug 2025 13:06 pm
craviduce wrote: 12 Aug 2025 13:01 pm looking at all these awards given out this year....

and you can't help but think "We're really stacked at "LHP"....and very brittle at "RHP"

IL RHP ~ Hence, Roby, Robberse, Bedell (just got off a 4 month stint), Santos, Rincon, Lin (just returned from his 3rd IL stint this season). While not hurt, they're pitching hurts the fans ~ Davila, Saladin, Salas.

IL LHP ~ Z. Thompson, Rom, Hjerpe.
Lefty starters always get me to wishing for the next John Tudor. May have more than one candidate.
4-5 K/9 rate....that doesn't play 40 years later. The meta has changed. I hope and pray we don't have any Tudors on their way.
Very true. Although that kind of K rate was league average back then. So that’d be like a LHP striking out around 8-9 per 9 now. I’d take that over what we have now. Our rotation is pitiful when it comes to K’s. Mathews, Davis, and Liam Doyle will hopefully change that.
"Davis"

this it the other part of your comment that I wanted to ask you about. Do you think Davis can make it to the rotation? Does the command get consistent enough to maintain a rotation spot?

I love the kid, his stuff is incredible for his stature. I just don't know if he can bring all together and stay on the mound long enough to be effective as a starter...5-7 innings, every singe start....or at least 90-95% of them
Yea, the walks are definitely a concern. Hopefully he will be able to improve it to get at least around 4. IF he can then he’s got SP potential. While it’s only been 4 starts, he’s at least been at 4.8 BB/9 in A+, much better than the 6+ he was in low-A.
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craviduce wrote: 12 Aug 2025 13:08 pm
MIDMOBIRDTWO wrote: 12 Aug 2025 13:06 pm
craviduce wrote: 12 Aug 2025 13:01 pm looking at all these awards given out this year....

and you can't help but think "We're really stacked at "LHP"....and very brittle at "RHP"

IL RHP ~ Hence, Roby, Robberse, Bedell (just got off a 4 month stint), Santos, Rincon, Lin (just returned from his 3rd IL stint this season). While not hurt, they're pitching hurts the fans ~ Davila, Saladin, Salas.

IL LHP ~ Z. Thompson, Rom, Hjerpe.
Lefty starters always get me to wishing for the next John Tudor. May have more than one candidate.
4-5 K/9 rate....that doesn't play 40 years later. The meta has changed. I hope and pray we don't have any Tudors on their way.
Drew Rom.
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NYCardsFan wrote: 12 Aug 2025 14:46 pm
craviduce wrote: 12 Aug 2025 13:08 pm
MIDMOBIRDTWO wrote: 12 Aug 2025 13:06 pm
craviduce wrote: 12 Aug 2025 13:01 pm looking at all these awards given out this year....

and you can't help but think "We're really stacked at "LHP"....and very brittle at "RHP"

IL RHP ~ Hence, Roby, Robberse, Bedell (just got off a 4 month stint), Santos, Rincon, Lin (just returned from his 3rd IL stint this season). While not hurt, they're pitching hurts the fans ~ Davila, Saladin, Salas.

IL LHP ~ Z. Thompson, Rom, Hjerpe.
Lefty starters always get me to wishing for the next John Tudor. May have more than one candidate.
4-5 K/9 rate....that doesn't play 40 years later. The meta has changed. I hope and pray we don't have any Tudors on their way.
Drew Rom.
I'm sure Tom Seaver would've approved. :mrgreen:
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