rockondlouie wrote: ↑11 Aug 2025 12:16 pm
Gorman last 90 PA's:
6 HR
.481 SLG%
.800 OPS
If he can do that over a full season, then we can live w/an average (even slightly below average) glove at 3rd base.
Yea his last 90 days aren’t bad but small sample sizes can look good but his season doesn’t look good and his last two seasons suck and his career is very meh in 1400 plate appearances
Even his season OPS of .726 OPS+104 is a good size upgrade over what we’ve gotten from 3B offensively. Heck he’s not far off of Donovan now in OPS (.751). And since June 1st Gorman has an .820+ OPS.
He is unquestionably the highest ceiling LH bat on the roster right now.
And his glove at either 3B or 2B is just fine.
The issue you have in the thread is that many are so invested in their own bias and preconceived conclusions that it blinds them to actual baseball realities.
I suffer no such shortcoming.
Gorman if going to 3B has raised the bar on what is needed from him.
You once championed that opinion. It has always been attached to a player that
brings average or less than average defense to a position.
Top 5 OPS at 2B is .750 : 3B is .829
Gorman needs to bring his 2023 production back. Certainly doable since he has done it
but that has to be a goal of him at that position. We see the current costs of that
to different degrees and that's exacerbated when more than 1 position does it.
Cards have 3 positions that they crack the top 10 in OPS by position with qualified PA. Herrera would be #5 at DH if
he can maintain his .845. They are BD @2B, WC @1B, and AB @ RF.
If they accept the lower productions at C, CF, and SS they need to get it from LF/RF and 3B.
Statically they keep BD at 2B or trade him vs going to the outfield. Winn is good at SS. JJ not here but we
know that's a matter of time needs to get his PT at 2B/3B or the outfield until an opening
occurs. IF I stupidly project his MiLB STATS going forward today his biggest impacts are
at 3B, LF and CF. and we know that the young guy will get that time barring injury.
Gorman produces, fantastic open 2B trade BD for SP or put the kid in CF like Merrill if able or LF
if not.
It is quite simple.
If LF hitting Gorman can hit 25+ HR, score 80 and drive in 80 across 600 PA's while playing roughly average defense at either 2nd or 3rd, he is an extremely valuable asset.
For his career, Gorman is hitting 29 HR in every 600 PA's.
And 82 RBI.
And 75 runs.
At age 25, with sporadic playing time and with constant position shuffles.
The ceiling is therefore clearly much higher - even though he is already being the most productive LH bat on the roster.
Production like that is extremely hard to find from a LH hitting 2b/3b.
Wetherholt, Winn, and Gorman need to be the 2b,SS, 3b alignment for the next several years.
It's been since 2023 when he exceeded a OPS of .800.
He needs to bring that production. His play and production is a part of the reason his sporadic playing time.
A average or less than average glove and a continuation of a .725 OPS IMO isn't enough not with the current team make up.
Most of us want him to succeed. I'd love to see it.
Give him 600 PA's in a season and you will.
100% guaranteed.
When other were bashing him in April and May, I was the only consistent and unwavering person who said all he needed was consistent playing time.
And I was, inevitably, proven correct.
I am right about this as well.
LoL...nice play KKorn. Teams can bunt on him all day long.
Melville wrote: ↑11 Aug 2025 19:05 pm If LF hitting Gorman can hit 25+ HR, score 80 and drive in 80 across 600 PA's while playing roughly average defense at either 2nd or 3rd, he is an extremely valuable asset.
That's a Huge "If." 600 PAs in a year is beyond Pollyanna when you fail to acknowledge the downsides that prevent his 600 PAs:
1) his woeful fielding. As I type, he throws away another ball by a mile. (Could he be worse at 3b than 2b?)
2) his poor left-handed splits.
3) his poor baserunning.
4) his bad back and other maladies. (Similar to your whipping boy O'Neill, but NG strikes out more often).
That's why in 4 seasons he's averaged 375 PAs per year. With Arenado and JJW here in 2026, I don't see that changing.
He's a platoon DH. I still like his offensive potential a lot, so I want him in that role.
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rockondlouie wrote: ↑11 Aug 2025 12:16 pm
Gorman last 90 PA's:
6 HR
.481 SLG%
.800 OPS
If he can do that over a full season, then we can live w/an average (even slightly below average) glove at 3rd base.
Yea his last 90 days aren’t bad but small sample sizes can look good but his season doesn’t look good and his last two seasons suck and his career is very meh in 1400 plate appearances
Even his season OPS of .726 OPS+104 is a good size upgrade over what we’ve gotten from 3B offensively. Heck he’s not far off of Donovan now in OPS (.751). And since June 1st Gorman has an .820+ OPS.
He is unquestionably the highest ceiling LH bat on the roster right now.
And his glove at either 3B or 2B is just fine.
The issue you have in the thread is that many are so invested in their own bias and preconceived conclusions that it blinds them to actual baseball realities.
I suffer no such shortcoming.
Gorman if going to 3B has raised the bar on what is needed from him.
You once championed that opinion. It has always been attached to a player that
brings average or less than average defense to a position.
Top 5 OPS at 2B is .750 : 3B is .829
Gorman needs to bring his 2023 production back. Certainly doable since he has done it
but that has to be a goal of him at that position. We see the current costs of that
to different degrees and that's exacerbated when more than 1 position does it.
Cards have 3 positions that they crack the top 10 in OPS by position with qualified PA. Herrera would be #5 at DH if
he can maintain his .845. They are BD @2B, WC @1B, and AB @ RF.
If they accept the lower productions at C, CF, and SS they need to get it from LF/RF and 3B.
Statically they keep BD at 2B or trade him vs going to the outfield. Winn is good at SS. JJ not here but we
know that's a matter of time needs to get his PT at 2B/3B or the outfield until an opening
occurs. IF I stupidly project his MiLB STATS going forward today his biggest impacts are
at 3B, LF and CF. and we know that the young guy will get that time barring injury.
Gorman produces, fantastic open 2B trade BD for SP or put the kid in CF like Merrill if able or LF
if not.
It is quite simple.
If LF hitting Gorman can hit 25+ HR, score 80 and drive in 80 across 600 PA's while playing roughly average defense at either 2nd or 3rd, he is an extremely valuable asset.
For his career, Gorman is hitting 29 HR in every 600 PA's.
And 82 RBI.
And 75 runs.
At age 25, with sporadic playing time and with constant position shuffles.
The ceiling is therefore clearly much higher - even though he is already being the most productive LH bat on the roster.
Production like that is extremely hard to find from a LH hitting 2b/3b.
Wetherholt, Winn, and Gorman need to be the 2b,SS, 3b alignment for the next several years.
It's been since 2023 when he exceeded a OPS of .800.
He needs to bring that production. His play and production is a part of the reason his sporadic playing time.
A average or less than average glove and a continuation of a .725 OPS IMO isn't enough not with the current team make up.
Most of us want him to succeed. I'd love to see it.
Give him 600 PA's in a season and you will.
100% guaranteed.
When other were bashing him in April and May, I was the only consistent and unwavering person who said all he needed was consistent playing time.
And I was, inevitably, proven correct.
I am right about this as well.
LoL...nice play KKorn. Teams can bunt on him all day long.
Never been anything like him
Gee, thought it wasn't about Smellville?!
ME-ville is a complete joke.
Thankfully this is an anonymous forum or else he’d be exposed as the fraud that he is. LOL
Gorman's one of the worst 3rd basemen I've ever seen. He just doesn't have the arm strength to make hard, accurate throws across the diamond when there's little to no time for error. That being said, he is serviceable at 1b/2b/DH and his K rate is down while his walk rate is up.
Unless he makes a miraculous improvement at 3rd, though, he'll only lower his value over there because the bad decisions and awful throws overcome memories of anything except HR and RBIs.
