rockondlouie wrote: ↑11 Aug 2025 12:16 pm
Gorman last 90 PA's:
6 HR
.481 SLG%
.800 OPS
If he can do that over a full season, then we can live w/an average (even slightly below average) glove at 3rd base.
Yea his last 90 days aren’t bad but small sample sizes can look good but his season doesn’t look good and his last two seasons suck and his career is very meh in 1400 plate appearances
But like J. Walker (Last 70 PA: .338 .386 .462 .847) we're seeing an upward trajectory!
rockondlouie wrote: ↑11 Aug 2025 12:16 pm
Gorman last 90 PA's:
6 HR
.481 SLG%
.800 OPS
If he can do that over a full season, then we can live w/an average (even slightly below average) glove at 3rd base.
Yea his last 90 days aren’t bad but small sample sizes can look good but his season doesn’t look good and his last two seasons suck and his career is very meh in 1400 plate appearances
Even his season OPS of .726 OPS+104 is a good size upgrade over what we’ve gotten from 3B offensively. Heck he’s not far off of Donovan now in OPS (.751). And since June 1st Gorman has an .820+ OPS.
rockondlouie wrote: ↑11 Aug 2025 12:16 pm
Gorman last 90 PA's:
6 HR
.481 SLG%
.800 OPS
If he can do that over a full season, then we can live w/an average (even slightly below average) glove at 3rd base.
Yea his last 90 days aren’t bad but small sample sizes can look good but his season doesn’t look good and his last two seasons suck and his career is very meh in 1400 plate appearances
Even his season OPS of .726 OPS+104 is a good size upgrade over what we’ve gotten from 3B offensively. Heck he’s not far off of Donovan now in OPS (.751). And since June 1st Gorman has an .820+ OPS.
Yea he’s awesome a poor defensive .730 ops platoon guy definitely who the cards need to build around. I remember all the posts about Carlson looking a lot better at the plate at times too and how young he was and how he was going to break out. And while his offense is a step up from areando his defense is a major step down
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rockondlouie wrote: ↑11 Aug 2025 12:16 pm
Gorman last 90 PA's:
6 HR
.481 SLG%
.800 OPS
If he can do that over a full season, then we can live w/an average (even slightly below average) glove at 3rd base.
Good finds by you and ecleme.
I'm with you two and Basil.
I would like to see Gorman the rest of the season at 3rd.
There's nothing lost in giving Norman the rest of the season at 3rd base as many games as possible.
This is the only true, raw power bat in the system.
I don't want to see us giving up on him just yet.
Oh I don't have a problem playing NG the rest of the season at 3rd. I just don't think he will ever come around defensively. Not based on what I have seen from him in his time in the bigs. He has a decent arm. That is his best defensive asset. His range is rather lacking to put it mildly. But he can certainly have the rest of a lost season to see what he does, and if his back is ok, then he plays every day. We need to see his bat too. Then Bloom can decide what to do with him in the off season. This team is going nowhere, even if they somehow sneak into the last WC. Play the kids. That was the point of this season supposedly.
southernblues wrote: ↑11 Aug 2025 06:43 am
I hope Bloom doesn't trade Gorman in the off season but trades Arenado so he can play third everyday. I guarantee if you trade him he will hit thirty homers for another team. The kid come through last night with a key hit for the lead.
He's not a good 3rd baseman defensively.
No doubt he's rusty at best. But give him the rest of the year there. EVERYDAY OLI. Than see where he's at. Adjust accordingly.
When playing 2b, he had the best and most accurate arm as compared to others including Donovan.
The same will be true at 3B.
Rusty?
You are correct.
That will get cleaned up and he will be just fine at 3b.
He has made a couple of outstanding plays that do not get mentioned.
Even you don’t believe your write. I can tell. It doesn’t contain your normal zeal and zest.
He stinks on fielding. First or DH.
Gorman made himself into a solid 2b.
Range was not great, but his hands were good, his footwork was excellent, and his arm was well above average.
The same will unquestionably be true at 3b, given the opportunity.
He is the only true LH power bat on the organization and his 25+ HR power is a huge asset - and that is as true as ever, regardless of whether positioned at 2b or 3b.
Nothing has changed in my fully accurate analysis.
By the way, if Bloom were to shop him this coming off-season, his value would be higher than that of any other LH hitting Cardinal on the active roster - including Donovan, Mootbaar, Burleson, and Scott.
LoL. Have you heard of JJ Wetherholt?
Are you aware that he is not on the active roster?
Obviously, you are a bit confused.
Happy to bring that key point to your attention.
rockondlouie wrote: ↑11 Aug 2025 12:16 pm
Gorman last 90 PA's:
6 HR
.481 SLG%
.800 OPS
If he can do that over a full season, then we can live w/an average (even slightly below average) glove at 3rd base.
Yea his last 90 days aren’t bad but small sample sizes can look good but his season doesn’t look good and his last two seasons suck and his career is very meh in 1400 plate appearances
Even his season OPS of .726 OPS+104 is a good size upgrade over what we’ve gotten from 3B offensively. Heck he’s not far off of Donovan now in OPS (.751). And since June 1st Gorman has an .820+ OPS.
He is unquestionably the highest ceiling LH bat on the roster right now.
And his glove at either 3B or 2B is just fine.
The issue you have in the thread is that many are so invested in their own bias and preconceived conclusions that it blinds them to actual baseball realities.
I suffer no such shortcoming.
rockondlouie wrote: ↑11 Aug 2025 12:16 pm
Gorman last 90 PA's:
6 HR
.481 SLG%
.800 OPS
If he can do that over a full season, then we can live w/an average (even slightly below average) glove at 3rd base.
Yea his last 90 days aren’t bad but small sample sizes can look good but his season doesn’t look good and his last two seasons suck and his career is very meh in 1400 plate appearances
Even his season OPS of .726 OPS+104 is a good size upgrade over what we’ve gotten from 3B offensively. Heck he’s not far off of Donovan now in OPS (.751). And since June 1st Gorman has an .820+ OPS.
He is unquestionably the highest ceiling LH bat on the roster right now.
And his glove at either 3B or 2B is just fine.
The issue you have in the thread is that many are so invested in their own bias and preconceived conclusions that it blinds them to actual baseball realities.
I suffer no such shortcoming.
For reasons I can't quite put my finger on, an old saying about a pot and a kettle comes to mind.
Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑11 Aug 2025 08:16 am
So another runway season next season to see what the cards have in Gorman and Walker? lol awesome
Walker has a four game hitting streak- yippee. But close to .400-.500 average. Still struck out on the low pitch away.
I think Walker hits. Gorman can hit, but defense is atrocious. Got to be a DH. First might be too much for him.
…it was an Imanaga split. Cards need to adopt or get some Asian players that throw it. None of the American boys seem to be able to handle it. Not even Team USA in the WBC.
rockondlouie wrote: ↑11 Aug 2025 12:16 pm
Gorman last 90 PA's:
6 HR
.481 SLG%
.800 OPS
If he can do that over a full season, then we can live w/an average (even slightly below average) glove at 3rd base.
Good finds by you and ecleme.
I'm with you two and Basil.
I would like to see Gorman the rest of the season at 3rd.
There's nothing lost in giving Norman the rest of the season at 3rd base as many games as possible.
This is the only true, raw power bat in the system.
I don't want to see us giving up on him just yet.
Oh I don't have a problem playing NG the rest of the season at 3rd. I just don't think he will ever come around defensively. Not based on what I have seen from him in his time in the bigs. He has a decent arm. That is his best defensive asset. His range is rather lacking to put it mildly. But he can certainly have the rest of a lost season to see what he does, and if his back is ok, then he plays every day. We need to see his bat too. Then Bloom can decide what to do with him in the off season. This team is going nowhere, even if they somehow sneak into the last WC. Play the kids. That was the point of this season supposedly.
He could be more E. Suarez than prime NADO for sure.
But that would still be a player I'd want at 3rd base!
I have a gut feeling Bloom may dangle him (for a starting pitcher).
Team are always willing to take a gamble on raw power bats.
Let's say 4 yrs of ball in HS plus 6 yrs (did not include 2020 - COVID) of ball after drafted. For sake of conversation - 10 yrs of organized baseball. Granted each level the competition becomes better skilled. Yet Gorman is no where close to MLB quality fielder - .977 career covering 2B, 3B, LF. He is not a competent hitter - in general he has avg 30% SO at every level. Over 4 yrs in MLB he avg 17 HR & 48 RBi's.
To date he is NOT a 25HR/yr hitter, not a decent RBi producer, and fielding is considered "good". Dodgers can "hide" Muncy hitting because of Ohtani, Freeman, Betts, Sages, et al. Muncy fields at .993 at 3B. IF Gorman is the best of Cardinal organization at 3B or 2B or wherever then this organization is in deep sh*t on player development.
Unless Bloom can hire a hitting guru to cut SO's, increase hits and rbi's why is Gorman eating up time and resources? His history pretty much tell who and what kind of MLB player he is.
Muncy has appeared at 3b for the Dodgers for the past 8 years - long before Ohtani, Freeman, Betts were on the roster.
To claim that they are the reason the Dodgers can play Muncy as 3b is laughably ludicrous since he preceded them all by several seasons.
Muncy, who is no better the Goram defensively, has been able to play the position for the past 10 years at the MLN level because he is a LH hitter with 211 career HR and 598 RBI in 3930 PS's.
Gorman, of course, at age 25 is already on a much faster pace than Muncy has achieved.
And Muncy is the starting 3b on the current WS champion.
rockondlouie wrote: ↑11 Aug 2025 12:16 pm
Gorman last 90 PA's:
6 HR
.481 SLG%
.800 OPS
If he can do that over a full season, then we can live w/an average (even slightly below average) glove at 3rd base.
Yea his last 90 days aren’t bad but small sample sizes can look good but his season doesn’t look good and his last two seasons suck and his career is very meh in 1400 plate appearances
Even his season OPS of .726 OPS+104 is a good size upgrade over what we’ve gotten from 3B offensively. Heck he’s not far off of Donovan now in OPS (.751). And since June 1st Gorman has an .820+ OPS.
He is unquestionably the highest ceiling LH bat on the roster right now.
And his glove at either 3B or 2B is just fine.
The issue you have in the thread is that many are so invested in their own bias and preconceived conclusions that it blinds them to actual baseball realities.
I suffer no such shortcoming.
For reasons I can't quite put my finger on, an old saying about a pot and a kettle comes to mind.
LMAO
Can’t put my finger on it either but ME-ville is priceless in his hypocrisy and clown antics!
woofy25 wrote: ↑11 Aug 2025 07:25 am
Considering the cardinals probably have no plans to be competitive next season, the Cardinals might as well try to get a full season out of them. Gorman is heading into his prime years. Walker will be just beginning his prime years next season. Gorman is a better hitter than he was in 2024. Walker is having a good second half. I’d give them both another season. Trading either, potentially too early, most likely outweighs any return the cardinals are going to get back. I’d be more inclined to trade Donovan if they’re not going to extend him, along with Nootbaar.
It sure would be nice to be able to tell a guy in October what the plan is for him the following season, so he can actually create and execute an offseason plan.
