Nolan Gorman

[Melville]

I hope Bloom doesn't trade Gorman in the off season but trades Arenado so he can play third everyday. I guarantee if you trade him he will hit thirty homers for another team. The kid come through last night with a key hit for the lead.

He's not a good 3rd baseman defensively.

Very small sample size for a guy who hasn't played the position in over 3 years. Give it some time and evaluate it after he's had a pretty good run at 3B. If you are using Nado as a barometer, then you will never like his defense. Similarly, we shouldn't judge all of our catchers' defense based upon our memories of Yadi behind the plate.

Correct.
He is an equal glove to Muncy, who is the starting 3B on the current WS champ.

[OldRed]

I hope Bloom doesn't trade Gorman in the off season but trades Arenado so he can play third everyday. I guarantee if you trade him he will hit thirty homers for another team. The kid come through last night with a key hit for the lead.

He's not a good 3rd baseman defensively.

No doubt he's rusty at best. But give him the rest of the year there. EVERYDAY OLI. Than see where he's at. Adjust accordingly.

When playing 2b, he had the best and most accurate arm as compared to others including Donovan.
The same will be true at 3B.
Rusty?
You are correct.
That will get cleaned up and he will be just fine at 3b.
He has made a couple of outstanding plays that do not get mentioned.

Even you don’t believe your write. I can tell. It doesn’t contain your normal zeal and zest.

He stinks on fielding. First or DH.

Gorman made himself into a solid 2b.
Range was not great, but his hands were good, his footwork was excellent, and his arm was well above average.
The same will unquestionably be true at 3b, given the opportunity.
He is the only true LH power bat on the organization and his 25+ HR power is a huge asset - and that is as true as ever, regardless of whether positioned at 2b or 3b.
Nothing has changed in my fully accurate analysis.
By the way, if Bloom were to shop him this coming off-season, his value would be higher than that of any other LH hitting Cardinal on the active roster - including Donovan, Mootbaar, Burleson, and Scott.

LOL!

[Melville]

he is a cardinal so by definition he is awful here..if he was on another team he would be a youngster with immense power potential who very recently hit 27 homers

Correct.

[Melville]

Again

Patience w/Gorman's defense is key.

It's very tough (unless you're a gifted SUP ala B. Donovan) to move from one side of the diamond to the other.

The ball just comes off the bat differently and the throws (from 2nd v from 3rd) coming at differing angles is wild.

He has to be given time to get his 3rd base bearings back.

Did anyone really think he wasn't going to struggle early on?

Judging him on 162 innings (basically 18 games) is really unfair.

Oh

And it doesn't do him any favor following one of the best defensive 3rd baseman of all time who's great defense is so fresh in fan's minds.

JMO

Correct.
Common sense.
A rare thing here.

[dugoutrex]

he is a cardinal so by definition he is awful here..if he was on another team he would be a youngster with immense power potential who very recently hit 27 homers

Correct.

ME ville and his little unicorn!

[OldRed]

he is a cardinal so by definition he is awful here..if he was on another team he would be a youngster with immense power potential who very recently hit 27 homers

Correct.

A lot more to being a good player than hitting 27 HR's. This is not Friday night slow pitch league.

[rockondlouie]

Again

Patience w/Gorman's defense is key.

It's very tough (unless you're a gifted SUP ala B. Donovan) to move from one side of the diamond to the other.

The ball just comes off the bat differently and the throws (from 2nd v from 3rd) coming at differing angles is wild.

He has to be given time to get his 3rd base bearings back.

Did anyone really think he wasn't going to struggle early on?

Judging him on 162 innings (basically 18 games) is really unfair.

Oh

And it doesn't do him any favor following one of the best defensive 3rd baseman of all time who's great defense is so fresh in fan's minds.

JMO

This is why we don’t excel- give mediocre more time. How much time is needed. And the errors I’ve seen are simple plays.

We have much better option with JJ at third, Donovan at second, Gorman first or DH.

"Runway" season BDog, giving a player like Gorman reps at 3rd base fits the definition.

Little patience, yeah
Need a little patience, yeah
Just a little patience, yeah
Some more patience, yeah

BTW

JJ will be at 2B in 2026

Donny will go back to his SUP role (if he's still here in 2026)

WillyC at 1st base

[scoutyjones2]

I hope Bloom doesn't trade Gorman in the off season but trades Arenado so he can play third everyday. I guarantee if you trade him he will hit thirty homers for another team. The kid come through last night with a key hit for the lead.

He's not a good 3rd baseman defensively.

No doubt he's rusty at best. But give him the rest of the year there. EVERYDAY OLI. Than see where he's at. Adjust accordingly.

When playing 2b, he had the best and most accurate arm as compared to others including Donovan.
The same will be true at 3B.
Rusty?
You are correct.
That will get cleaned up and he will be just fine at 3b.
He has made a couple of outstanding plays that do not get mentioned.

Even you don’t believe your write. I can tell. It doesn’t contain your normal zeal and zest.

He stinks on fielding. First or DH.

Gorman made himself into a solid 2b.
Range was not great, but his hands were good, his footwork was excellent, and his arm was well above average.
The same will unquestionably be true at 3b, given the opportunity.
He is the only true LH power bat on the organization and his 25+ HR power is a huge asset - and that is as true as ever, regardless of whether positioned at 2b or 3b.
Nothing has changed in my fully accurate analysis.
By the way, if Bloom were to shop him this coming off-season, his value would be higher than that of any other LH hitting Cardinal on the active roster - including Donovan, Mootbaar, Burleson, and Scott.

LoL. Have you heard of JJ Wetherholt?

[2ninr]

I hope Bloom doesn't trade Gorman in the off season but trades Arenado so he can play third everyday. I guarantee if you trade him he will hit thirty homers for another team. The kid come through last night with a key hit for the lead.

He's not a good 3rd baseman defensively.

No doubt he's rusty at best. But give him the rest of the year there. EVERYDAY OLI. Than see where he's at. Adjust accordingly.

When playing 2b, he had the best and most accurate arm as compared to others including Donovan.
The same will be true at 3B.
Rusty?
You are correct.
That will get cleaned up and he will be just fine at 3b.
He has made a couple of outstanding plays that do not get mentioned.

He hasn't played 3rd since the 2019 season. It should be expected that he's rusty at the position. He's our only legitimate power hitter in the organization. I understand he hasn't developed as quickly as most would like. But trading him without giving him the rest of this year playing everyday is a mistake. Than make the decision on his future.

[Cusecards]

The trade deadline has passed so it is what it is unless someone is DFA’d and no way on earth do you DFA Gorman.
So play him. There could be some issue once Arenado comes back.
And yes....dealing Arenado is the preferred scenario but if he is here next year he plays!
As for Gorman’s “value”???
It is laughingly absurd to state that he has more trade value than Donovan and Burleson!
Possibly equal to Nootbaar but definitely not more.
Easy
Obvious
Correct

[Cusecards]

I hope Bloom doesn't trade Gorman in the off season but trades Arenado so he can play third everyday. I guarantee if you trade him he will hit thirty homers for another team. The kid come through last night with a key hit for the lead.

He's not a good 3rd baseman defensively.

No doubt he's rusty at best. But give him the rest of the year there. EVERYDAY OLI. Than see where he's at. Adjust accordingly.

When playing 2b, he had the best and most accurate arm as compared to others including Donovan.
The same will be true at 3B.
Rusty?
You are correct.
That will get cleaned up and he will be just fine at 3b.
He has made a couple of outstanding plays that do not get mentioned.

Even you don’t believe your write. I can tell. It doesn’t contain your normal zeal and zest.

He stinks on fielding. First or DH.

Gorman made himself into a solid 2b.
Range was not great, but his hands were good, his footwork was excellent, and his arm was well above average.
The same will unquestionably be true at 3b, given the opportunity.
He is the only true LH power bat on the organization and his 25+ HR power is a huge asset - and that is as true as ever, regardless of whether positioned at 2b or 3b.
Nothing has changed in my fully accurate analysis.
By the way, if Bloom were to shop him this coming off-season, his value would be higher than that of any other LH hitting Cardinal on the active roster - including Donovan, Mootbaar, Burleson, and Scott.

LOL!

“Never about me always about the game!”

[bccardsfan]

Again

Patience w/Gorman's defense is key.

It's very tough (unless you're a gifted SUP ala B. Donovan) to move from one side of the diamond to the other.

The ball just comes off the bat differently and the throws (from 2nd v from 3rd) coming at differing angles is wild.

He has to be given time to get his 3rd base bearings back.

Did anyone really think he wasn't going to struggle early on?

Judging him on 162 innings (basically 18 games) is really unfair.

Oh

And it doesn't do him any favor following one of the best defensive 3rd baseman of all time who's great defense is so fresh in fan's minds.

JMO

This is why we don’t excel- give mediocre more time. How much time is needed. And the errors I’ve seen are simple plays.

We have much better option with JJ at third, Donovan at second, Gorman first or DH.

"Runway" season BDog, giving a player like Gorman reps at 3rd base fits the definition.

Little patience, yeah
Need a little patience, yeah
Just a little patience, yeah
Some more patience, yeah

BTW

JJ will be at 2B in 2026

Donny will go back to his SUP role (if he's still here in 2026)

WillyC at 1st base

Maybe Rock. But JJ at third with a good second baseman or JJ and second with a good fielding third baseman is a much better defensive infield. Again, the team has a collection of DH/1B types. Gorman, Burley, and WC. Something has to give. WC is adequate. He has a no trade clause I believe, so he isn't going anywhere. I would prefer we just reset things and that Nado and WC were gone. Then Gorman plays 1B where his range is not so much of an issue (except for those foul balls down the line). But that will be hard to do. Gorman is at best average defensively and I am being kind. He had the range of a garden gnome at second. Sorry... Will that play? Sure, if he hits north of .250 and drives in runs. But if he doesn't, then that D is a drag on the team. Same at third. Will his D play there? Lots of teams have slow third basemen. Just because Muncy is playing 3B for the Dodgers doesn't mean they wouldn't rather have a better defender who hits as well. Aspire for more.... don't hide guys on D. It is really hard to out slug teams day in and day out. You have to win some tight games with great D. Gorman will never give you great D. Sure, on a play or two now and then, but there will be many balls a better player with more range would get to that he doesn't. I watched him play 2B for a long time. This is who he is... Over the course of a season there are a lot of outs at 2B that he wouldn't get you. Same will be true at 3B.

As an aside, always good to have polite debate and expression of opinion without the ridiculous narcissist schtick...

[bccardsfan]

As a further aside... I cannot believe some people don't want to build around Winn. There are only a few other SS in the bigs with that sort of arm and D and range. The kid is hitting .270, which is the new .300. Build around him and get a lineup that is good enough where he is batting in the 7 or 8 hole. But for heaven's sake keep that kid as SS.... His D is worth a ton. Especially if you are going to have a third baseman with a lack of range like Gorman.

[ClassicO]

Gorman made himself into a solid 2b.

He's not a "solid 2b." He's "awful" there and should never have been put there.
He's a career -12 DRS, -19 OAA, and -15.8 FRV/150 (how many runs above or below average a fielder is per 150 defensive games there) at 2b.

He's a shocking -5 DRS at 3b in limited time.

Oh, and he can't run -- 26 sprint speed vs. Pages 25.5. He doesn't score many runs.
And he has a 30.7% K-rate, which is slightly better than his 33.5% career rate.
You can't have a player who is only 4% above average (104 wRC+) at the plate in your lineup when they can't play defense or run.

I don't mind being patient with him -- but he's a Natural Born DH.

Your desire to be proven right that there has "never been a LH hitting 2B in MLB history with his HR power ceiling" clouds all your comments. Ha ha ha.

[sikeston bulldog2]

Gorman made himself into a solid 2b.

He's not a "solid 2b." He's "awful" there and should never have been put there.
He's a career -12 DRS, -19 OAA, and -15.8 FRV/150 (how many runs above or below average a fielder is per 150 defensive games there) at 2b.

He's a shocking -5 DRS at 3b in limited time.

Oh, and he can't run -- 26 sprint speed vs. Pages 25.5. He doesn't score many runs.
And he has a 30.7% K-rate, which is slightly better than his 33.5% career rate.
You can't have a player who is only 4% above average (104 wRC+) at the plate in your lineup when they can't play defense or run.

I don't mind being patient with him -- but he's a Natural Born DH.

Your desire to be proven right that there has "never been a LH hitting 2B in MLB history with his HR power ceiling" clouds all your comments. Ha ha ha.

He’s so bad it begs the question- is that the best the entire organization can do?

[ecleme22]

Gorman made himself into a solid 2b.

He's not a "solid 2b." He's "awful" there and should never have been put there.
He's a career -12 DRS, -19 OAA, and -15.8 FRV/150 (how many runs above or below average a fielder is per 150 defensive games there) at 2b.

He's a shocking -5 DRS at 3b in limited time.

Oh, and he can't run -- 26 sprint speed vs. Pages 25.5. He doesn't score many runs.
And he has a 30.7% K-rate, which is slightly better than his 33.5% career rate.
You can't have a player who is only 4% above average (104 wRC+) at the plate in your lineup when they can't play defense or run.

I don't mind being patient with him -- but he's a Natural Born DH.

Your desire to be proven right that there has "never been a LH hitting 2B in MLB history with his HR power ceiling" clouds all your comments. Ha ha ha.

He’s so bad it begs the question- is that the best the entire organization can do?

Google recency bias.

You obviously saw a few errors recently that has formed your entire opinion about NG at 3b.