What if Fedde got traded in the off season and McGreevy got his spot

[hugeCardfan]

Cards are something like 10 over in games not started by Fedde. If McGreevy got those starts instead and the team won half of them they'd be 10 over. Mo's failure to move Fedde when he had value and keep McGreevy stuck in AAA (when he looked better than Fedde when both were pitching in 2024) may have been his biggest one of the year. (And he's had many)

Hindsight is great. There were a lot of posters that thought Fedde was a solid #3. Given the cost of his contract, the Cards lack of pitching, that trade just wasn't destined to happen. That doesn't mean the Cards shouldn't have pulled the plug on Fedde quicker. But at mid May, the guy had an even record and a sub 4.00 ERA. Then he just imploded. Probably by the end of June, they should have been putting McGreevy in and it likely would have pushed the Cards to being 3-4 games over 500 instead of even.

It’s only hindsight for those who thought he would be good others were saying he should be traded because his trade value would never be higher and because he was a big time candidate for regression it was foresight for those who said that

The same eggsperts who think we should trade Romero...for the same reason. Win some. Lose some.

Well they actually should trade him he’s a reliever who could get good solid prospects back. The cardinals aren’t going to compete again next season why not sell high?

If we trade our good players, we can be certain not to compete. We will be better next year if we do not jettison talent. Let’s see who steps up from the minors and what the FA market can land. Prospects from actual talent is just kicking the can down the road on a wing and a prayer.

[Wattage]

Cards are something like 10 over in games not started by Fedde. If McGreevy got those starts instead and the team won half of them they'd be 10 over. Mo's failure to move Fedde when he had value and keep McGreevy stuck in AAA (when he looked better than Fedde when both were pitching in 2024) may have been his biggest one of the year. (And he's had many)

I dont think it would have mattered much.

The fedde record is a little disingenuious because early in the season the record in feddes starts was far frome his fault. Fedde had a 3.54 era through his first 15 starts. Sure he got some luck from babip but from a results perspective, the record wasnt his fault, he doesnt control the offense I doubt mcgreevy would have pitched that much better through feddes first 15. Especially since mcgreevy has been hot and cold himself. Feddes peripherals suggesting he was gonna regress is a different convo but the team record was on the offense up to that loint.

His last 7 starts were terrible. Maybe mcgreevy could have won a couple more. But mcgreevy has had some bad starts as well. Also i dont think you can assume everytime mcgreevy didnt have a bad start that it would be an auto win.

And has the team played- 10 games above .500 level since we got rid of fedde? No? Cuz the record was more coincidence. This isnt a playoff team with mcgreevy instead.

[Ozziesfan41]

Cards are something like 10 over in games not started by Fedde. If McGreevy got those starts instead and the team won half of them they'd be 10 over. Mo's failure to move Fedde when he had value and keep McGreevy stuck in AAA (when he looked better than Fedde when both were pitching in 2024) may have been his biggest one of the year. (And he's had many)

Hindsight is great. There were a lot of posters that thought Fedde was a solid #3. Given the cost of his contract, the Cards lack of pitching, that trade just wasn't destined to happen. That doesn't mean the Cards shouldn't have pulled the plug on Fedde quicker. But at mid May, the guy had an even record and a sub 4.00 ERA. Then he just imploded. Probably by the end of June, they should have been putting McGreevy in and it likely would have pushed the Cards to being 3-4 games over 500 instead of even.

It’s only hindsight for those who thought he would be good others were saying he should be traded because his trade value would never be higher and because he was a big time candidate for regression it was foresight for those who said that

The same eggsperts who think we should trade Romero...for the same reason. Win some. Lose some.

Well they actually should trade him he’s a reliever who could get good solid prospects back. The cardinals aren’t going to compete again next season why not sell high?

If we trade our good players, we can be certain not to compete. We will be better next year if we do not jettison talent. Let’s see who steps up from the minors and what the FA market can land. Prospects from actual talent is just kicking the can down the road on a wing and a prayer.

people said in the offseason the division is weak this a 90 win team if you trade fedde and helsley at peak value the team will be doomed they should keep them and trade them at the deadline and there will be a bidding war for them and they will get a haul of prospects for them. They were wrong the team was just as mediocre as last season. They said you can’t trade helsley maton and matz at the deadline the team will collapse they need to keep helsley and extend him because closers can’t be replaced. They traded them the team was fine the bullpen has been fine and helsley was easily replaced. You like mediocrity and around .500 teams that’s fine but I would prefer they build toward a good team not keep clinging to hope and prayer and mediocrity

[hugeCardfan]

Cards are something like 10 over in games not started by Fedde. If McGreevy got those starts instead and the team won half of them they'd be 10 over. Mo's failure to move Fedde when he had value and keep McGreevy stuck in AAA (when he looked better than Fedde when both were pitching in 2024) may have been his biggest one of the year. (And he's had many)

Hindsight is great. There were a lot of posters that thought Fedde was a solid #3. Given the cost of his contract, the Cards lack of pitching, that trade just wasn't destined to happen. That doesn't mean the Cards shouldn't have pulled the plug on Fedde quicker. But at mid May, the guy had an even record and a sub 4.00 ERA. Then he just imploded. Probably by the end of June, they should have been putting McGreevy in and it likely would have pushed the Cards to being 3-4 games over 500 instead of even.

It’s only hindsight for those who thought he would be good others were saying he should be traded because his trade value would never be higher and because he was a big time candidate for regression it was foresight for those who said that

The same eggsperts who think we should trade Romero...for the same reason. Win some. Lose some.

Well they actually should trade him he’s a reliever who could get good solid prospects back. The cardinals aren’t going to compete again next season why not sell high?

If we trade our good players, we can be certain not to compete. We will be better next year if we do not jettison talent. Let’s see who steps up from the minors and what the FA market can land. Prospects from actual talent is just kicking the can down the road on a wing and a prayer.

people said in the offseason the division is weak this a 90 win team if you trade fedde and helsley at peak value the team will be doomed they should keep them and trade them at the deadline and there will be a bidding war for them and they will get a haul of prospects for them. They were wrong the team was just as mediocre as last season. They said you can’t trade helsley maton and matz at the deadline the team will collapse they need to keep helsley and extend him because closers can’t be replaced. They traded them the team was fine the bullpen has been fine and helsley was easily replaced. You like mediocrity and around .500 teams that’s fine but I would prefer they build toward a good team not keep clinging to hope and prayer and mediocrity

You are making chit up. CT is full of opinions and some may actually have a little tailwind. Helsley was a great keep and kept us in the race. Early in the year no one else was ready to step up and close. Without his 21 saves we would have faltered early. Until midseason we were a WC factor. Fedde was effective until the middle of June with a 3.54 ERA. He ran out of gas. That doesn't make his detractors right; just happy.

I never said that the division was weak. I felt like the Brewers and Cubbies were a couple of the better teams in the National League and that has borne out. I thought Cincy would be very competitive with their pitching and Francona. I didn't think the Pirates would swoon so big early in the year, but, now they are tough to beat.

I think we did exactly what we should have and am proud of the way they played the game. I think we set a precedence for next year and will be quite a bit better. We made some decent acquisitions and have solidified our farm. Our pitching in the minors has looked very good lately and we will be harvesting benefit over the next 3-5 years.

We have several position players likely to land the next 2-3 years who may fill all our vacancies. Predicting no competitiveness is ignorance; not some form of visionary...IMO.

You just continue bumping down the road with your negative outlook. It won't look good for you.

[boulanger]

Cards are something like 10 over in games not started by Fedde. If McGreevy got those starts instead and the team won half of them they'd be 10 over. Mo's failure to move Fedde when he had value and keep McGreevy stuck in AAA (when he looked better than Fedde when both were pitching in 2024) may have been his biggest one of the year. (And he's had many)

Hindsight is great. There were a lot of posters that thought Fedde was a solid #3. Given the cost of his contract, the Cards lack of pitching, that trade just wasn't destined to happen. That doesn't mean the Cards shouldn't have pulled the plug on Fedde quicker. But at mid May, the guy had an even record and a sub 4.00 ERA. Then he just imploded. Probably by the end of June, they should have been putting McGreevy in and it likely would have pushed the Cards to being 3-4 games over 500 instead of even.

It’s only hindsight for those who thought he would be good others were saying he should be traded because his trade value would never be higher and because he was a big time candidate for regression it was foresight for those who said that

I was never that impressed by Fedde. Having said that, the Cards were only going to trade Fedde if they could find an equal or better starter for $7M or less on a 1 year deal. MO doesn't like to make a lot of moves no matter what, so that would have required two extra moves, trading Fedde and finding said pitcher. If we use 20/20 hindsight, there actually was a pitcher that would have fit the bill perfectly, our old friend Jose Quintana, 1 year, $4M and he is having a great year in Milwaukee...

So, I am not disagreeing with you. I am merely pointing out the situation. If I was the GM and was given the option of getting Quintana for $4M and trading Fedde during the 2024 offseason, I would have taking Quintana 100 out of 100 times. I am certain MO never considered it. The main point of my post is it was just unlikely given the situation. But, to your point, with a couple days effort, a couple phone calls to Quintana, it could have been accomplished...

Unfortunately, MO does not and has not operated that way. The one thing that should be imprinted in everyone's brain after the last 5 years is never sign mid level veteran pitchers to multi-year contracts ever. There are always a half dozen decent veterans hanging around that can be signed for $3-8M on 1 year deals. You can sign 2 of them, and if one doesn't work out, cut them and still better off than the Mikolas situation. If the Cards want to compete next year, they need to bring at least 1 guy in like that to try and stabalize the rotation. If they fail, move on.

The Brewers front office is genius. they got Quintana and Priester for a total of about $5.5 million and those two are 20-6 on the season.