What if Fedde got traded in the off season and McGreevy got his spot

[chuckaluck1]

Cards are something like 10 over in games not started by Fedde. If McGreevy got those starts instead and the team won half of them they'd be 10 over. Mo's failure to move Fedde when he had value and keep McGreevy stuck in AAA (when he looked better than Fedde when both were pitching in 2024) may have been his biggest one of the year. (And he's had many)

[ICCFIM2]

Cards are something like 10 over in games not started by Fedde. If McGreevy got those starts instead and the team won half of them they'd be 10 over. Mo's failure to move Fedde when he had value and keep McGreevy stuck in AAA (when he looked better than Fedde when both were pitching in 2024) may have been his biggest one of the year. (And he's had many)

Hindsight is great. There were a lot of posters that thought Fedde was a solid #3. Given the cost of his contract, the Cards lack of pitching, that trade just wasn't destined to happen. That doesn't mean the Cards shouldn't have pulled the plug on Fedde quicker. But at mid May, the guy had an even record and a sub 4.00 ERA. Then he just imploded. Probably by the end of June, they should have been putting McGreevy in and it likely would have pushed the Cards to being 3-4 games over 500 instead of even.

[CorneliusWolfe]

Cards are something like 10 over in games not started by Fedde. If McGreevy got those starts instead and the team won half of them they'd be 10 over. Mo's failure to move Fedde when he had value and keep McGreevy stuck in AAA (when he looked better than Fedde when both were pitching in 2024) may have been his biggest one of the year. (And he's had many)

Hindsight is great. There were a lot of posters that thought Fedde was a solid #3. Given the cost of his contract, the Cards lack of pitching, that trade just wasn't destined to happen. That doesn't mean the Cards shouldn't have pulled the plug on Fedde quicker. But at mid May, the guy had an even record and a sub 4.00 ERA. Then he just imploded. Probably by the end of June, they should have been putting McGreevy in and it likely would have pushed the Cards to being 3-4 games over 500 instead of even.

Spot on. I admittedly was one of those who thought he’d be a solid MOTR starter. Thought I was still right after first two months. Turned out I wasn’t.

[Ozziesfan41]

Cards are something like 10 over in games not started by Fedde. If McGreevy got those starts instead and the team won half of them they'd be 10 over. Mo's failure to move Fedde when he had value and keep McGreevy stuck in AAA (when he looked better than Fedde when both were pitching in 2024) may have been his biggest one of the year. (And he's had many)

Hindsight is great. There were a lot of posters that thought Fedde was a solid #3. Given the cost of his contract, the Cards lack of pitching, that trade just wasn't destined to happen. That doesn't mean the Cards shouldn't have pulled the plug on Fedde quicker. But at mid May, the guy had an even record and a sub 4.00 ERA. Then he just imploded. Probably by the end of June, they should have been putting McGreevy in and it likely would have pushed the Cards to being 3-4 games over 500 instead of even.

It’s only hindsight for those who thought he would be good others were saying he should be traded because his trade value would never be higher and because he was a big time candidate for regression it was foresight for those who said that

[chuckaluck1]

Cards are something like 10 over in games not started by Fedde. If McGreevy got those starts instead and the team won half of them they'd be 10 over. Mo's failure to move Fedde when he had value and keep McGreevy stuck in AAA (when he looked better than Fedde when both were pitching in 2024) may have been his biggest one of the year. (And he's had many)

Hindsight is great. There were a lot of posters that thought Fedde was a solid #3. Given the cost of his contract, the Cards lack of pitching, that trade just wasn't destined to happen. That doesn't mean the Cards shouldn't have pulled the plug on Fedde quicker. But at mid May, the guy had an even record and a sub 4.00 ERA. Then he just imploded. Probably by the end of June, they should have been putting McGreevy in and it likely would have pushed the Cards to being 3-4 games over 500 instead of even.

Yes it’s a hindsight comment but freezing McGreevy at AAA was silly when this year was sold by management as a retool or rebuild or re-whatever and to free up the spot Mikolas or Fedde could have been moved. Doubt anyone would take Mikolas and his awful contract so Fedde would be the logical one to move. Oh well.

[ecleme22]

Fedde and Miko did a fine job early on.

If a TLR type were the manager, he would’ve pivoted once one of those two started faltering.

[sp25]

. . . they'd be in third place instead of fourth.

[hugeCardfan]

Cards are something like 10 over in games not started by Fedde. If McGreevy got those starts instead and the team won half of them they'd be 10 over. Mo's failure to move Fedde when he had value and keep McGreevy stuck in AAA (when he looked better than Fedde when both were pitching in 2024) may have been his biggest one of the year. (And he's had many)

Hindsight is great. There were a lot of posters that thought Fedde was a solid #3. Given the cost of his contract, the Cards lack of pitching, that trade just wasn't destined to happen. That doesn't mean the Cards shouldn't have pulled the plug on Fedde quicker. But at mid May, the guy had an even record and a sub 4.00 ERA. Then he just imploded. Probably by the end of June, they should have been putting McGreevy in and it likely would have pushed the Cards to being 3-4 games over 500 instead of even.

It’s only hindsight for those who thought he would be good others were saying he should be traded because his trade value would never be higher and because he was a big time candidate for regression it was foresight for those who said that

The same eggsperts who think we should trade Romero...for the same reason. Win some. Lose some.

[Ronnie Dobbs]

I don't know. Who knows, we may have tried and couldn't.

But if we did, McGreevy would probably have some good starts and some bad ones and around his bad ones posters would be complaining that is some overrated prospect.

[Ozziesfan41]

Cards are something like 10 over in games not started by Fedde. If McGreevy got those starts instead and the team won half of them they'd be 10 over. Mo's failure to move Fedde when he had value and keep McGreevy stuck in AAA (when he looked better than Fedde when both were pitching in 2024) may have been his biggest one of the year. (And he's had many)

Hindsight is great. There were a lot of posters that thought Fedde was a solid #3. Given the cost of his contract, the Cards lack of pitching, that trade just wasn't destined to happen. That doesn't mean the Cards shouldn't have pulled the plug on Fedde quicker. But at mid May, the guy had an even record and a sub 4.00 ERA. Then he just imploded. Probably by the end of June, they should have been putting McGreevy in and it likely would have pushed the Cards to being 3-4 games over 500 instead of even.

It’s only hindsight for those who thought he would be good others were saying he should be traded because his trade value would never be higher and because he was a big time candidate for regression it was foresight for those who said that

The same eggsperts who think we should trade Romero...for the same reason. Win some. Lose some.

Well they actually should trade him he’s a reliever who could get good solid prospects back. The cardinals aren’t going to compete again next season why not sell high?

[ICCFIM2]

Cards are something like 10 over in games not started by Fedde. If McGreevy got those starts instead and the team won half of them they'd be 10 over. Mo's failure to move Fedde when he had value and keep McGreevy stuck in AAA (when he looked better than Fedde when both were pitching in 2024) may have been his biggest one of the year. (And he's had many)

Hindsight is great. There were a lot of posters that thought Fedde was a solid #3. Given the cost of his contract, the Cards lack of pitching, that trade just wasn't destined to happen. That doesn't mean the Cards shouldn't have pulled the plug on Fedde quicker. But at mid May, the guy had an even record and a sub 4.00 ERA. Then he just imploded. Probably by the end of June, they should have been putting McGreevy in and it likely would have pushed the Cards to being 3-4 games over 500 instead of even.

It’s only hindsight for those who thought he would be good others were saying he should be traded because his trade value would never be higher and because he was a big time candidate for regression it was foresight for those who said that

I was never that impressed by Fedde. Having said that, the Cards were only going to trade Fedde if they could find an equal or better starter for $7M or less on a 1 year deal. MO doesn't like to make a lot of moves no matter what, so that would have required two extra moves, trading Fedde and finding said pitcher. If we use 20/20 hindsight, there actually was a pitcher that would have fit the bill perfectly, our old friend Jose Quintana, 1 year, $4M and he is having a great year in Milwaukee...

So, I am not disagreeing with you. I am merely pointing out the situation. If I was the GM and was given the option of getting Quintana for $4M and trading Fedde during the 2024 offseason, I would have taking Quintana 100 out of 100 times. I am certain MO never considered it. The main point of my post is it was just unlikely given the situation. But, to your point, with a couple days effort, a couple phone calls to Quintana, it could have been accomplished...

Unfortunately, MO does not and has not operated that way. The one thing that should be imprinted in everyone's brain after the last 5 years is never sign mid level veteran pitchers to multi-year contracts ever. There are always a half dozen decent veterans hanging around that can be signed for $3-8M on 1 year deals. You can sign 2 of them, and if one doesn't work out, cut them and still better off than the Mikolas situation. If the Cards want to compete next year, they need to bring at least 1 guy in like that to try and stabalize the rotation. If they fail, move on.

[ICCFIM2]

Cards are something like 10 over in games not started by Fedde. If McGreevy got those starts instead and the team won half of them they'd be 10 over. Mo's failure to move Fedde when he had value and keep McGreevy stuck in AAA (when he looked better than Fedde when both were pitching in 2024) may have been his biggest one of the year. (And he's had many)

Hindsight is great. There were a lot of posters that thought Fedde was a solid #3. Given the cost of his contract, the Cards lack of pitching, that trade just wasn't destined to happen. That doesn't mean the Cards shouldn't have pulled the plug on Fedde quicker. But at mid May, the guy had an even record and a sub 4.00 ERA. Then he just imploded. Probably by the end of June, they should have been putting McGreevy in and it likely would have pushed the Cards to being 3-4 games over 500 instead of even.

It’s only hindsight for those who thought he would be good others were saying he should be traded because his trade value would never be higher and because he was a big time candidate for regression it was foresight for those who said that

The same eggsperts who think we should trade Romero...for the same reason. Win some. Lose some.

Well they actually should trade him he’s a reliever who could get good solid prospects back. The cardinals aren’t going to compete again next season why not sell high?

For better or worse, every other pitcher in the bullpen is a rookie. There is probably some value to having Romero there just for his experience. I thought they might trade him as well. But again to my prior post I just made, minimum MO, if he trades Romero, then the team needs two LH relievers during the offseason, not just 1. Why create more work, even if Bloom is going to do it...

[Ozziesfan41]

Cards are something like 10 over in games not started by Fedde. If McGreevy got those starts instead and the team won half of them they'd be 10 over. Mo's failure to move Fedde when he had value and keep McGreevy stuck in AAA (when he looked better than Fedde when both were pitching in 2024) may have been his biggest one of the year. (And he's had many)

Hindsight is great. There were a lot of posters that thought Fedde was a solid #3. Given the cost of his contract, the Cards lack of pitching, that trade just wasn't destined to happen. That doesn't mean the Cards shouldn't have pulled the plug on Fedde quicker. But at mid May, the guy had an even record and a sub 4.00 ERA. Then he just imploded. Probably by the end of June, they should have been putting McGreevy in and it likely would have pushed the Cards to being 3-4 games over 500 instead of even.

It’s only hindsight for those who thought he would be good others were saying he should be traded because his trade value would never be higher and because he was a big time candidate for regression it was foresight for those who said that

The same eggsperts who think we should trade Romero...for the same reason. Win some. Lose some.

Well they actually should trade him he’s a reliever who could get good solid prospects back. The cardinals aren’t going to compete again next season why not sell high?

For better or worse, every other pitcher in the bullpen is a rookie. There is probably some value to having Romero there just for his experience. I thought they might trade him as well. But again to my prior post I just made, minimum MO, if he trades Romero, then the team needs two LH relievers during the offseason, not just 1. Why create more work, even if Bloom is going to do it...

He can invite lefties to spring training pick up
Some any number of ways. I’m not saying trade him just to trade him but if you can trade him for a high end prospect
You jump on it. They should have done it with helsley in the offseason didn’t do it had to sell him for some a ball hope and prayer prospects. Sell high for once.
What if they trade him they only win 75-80 games instead of 81-82 next season lol who cares for once I would like to see them trade high instead of waiting until they are at rock bottom value. Look at the bullpen people said if they trade helsley the great closer maton and matz the team was doomed they would lose every game the bullpen has pitched very well and cards are over .500 since the trades

[chuckaluck1]

Cards are something like 10 over in games not started by Fedde. If McGreevy got those starts instead and the team won half of them they'd be 10 over. Mo's failure to move Fedde when he had value and keep McGreevy stuck in AAA (when he looked better than Fedde when both were pitching in 2024) may have been his biggest one of the year. (And he's had many)

Hindsight is great. There were a lot of posters that thought Fedde was a solid #3. Given the cost of his contract, the Cards lack of pitching, that trade just wasn't destined to happen. That doesn't mean the Cards shouldn't have pulled the plug on Fedde quicker. But at mid May, the guy had an even record and a sub 4.00 ERA. Then he just imploded. Probably by the end of June, they should have been putting McGreevy in and it likely would have pushed the Cards to being 3-4 games over 500 instead of even.

It’s only hindsight for those who thought he would be good others were saying he should be traded because his trade value would never be higher and because he was a big time candidate for regression it was foresight for those who said that

I was never that impressed by Fedde. Having said that, the Cards were only going to trade Fedde if they could find an equal or better starter for $7M or less on a 1 year deal. MO doesn't like to make a lot of moves no matter what, so that would have required two extra moves, trading Fedde and finding said pitcher. If we use 20/20 hindsight, there actually was a pitcher that would have fit the bill perfectly, our old friend Jose Quintana, 1 year, $4M and he is having a great year in Milwaukee...

So, I am not disagreeing with you. I am merely pointing out the situation. If I was the GM and was given the option of getting Quintana for $4M and trading Fedde during the 2024 offseason, I would have taking Quintana 100 out of 100 times. I am certain MO never considered it. The main point of my post is it was just unlikely given the situation. But, to your point, with a couple days effort, a couple phone calls to Quintana, it could have been accomplished...

Unfortunately, MO does not and has not operated that way. The one thing that should be imprinted in everyone's brain after the last 5 years is never sign mid level veteran pitchers to multi-year contracts ever. There are always a half dozen decent veterans hanging around that can be signed for $3-8M on 1 year deals. You can sign 2 of them, and if one doesn't work out, cut them and still better off than the Mikolas situation. If the Cards want to compete next year, they need to bring at least 1 guy in like that to try and stabalize the rotation. If they fail, move on.

The Cards already had (what appears to be based on his starts in 24 and 25) a decent MOR pitcher in their organization and MO blocked him because of Mikolas and Fedde. A rotation next year of Gray, Liberatore, McGreevy, (Quintana type)?? and Pallante could be a good foundation.

[rightthinker4]

Cards are something like 10 over in games not started by Fedde. If McGreevy got those starts instead and the team won half of them they'd be 10 over. Mo's failure to move Fedde when he had value and keep McGreevy stuck in AAA (when he looked better than Fedde when both were pitching in 2024) may have been his biggest one of the year. (And he's had many)

Hindsight is great. There were a lot of posters that thought Fedde was a solid #3. Given the cost of his contract, the Cards lack of pitching, that trade just wasn't destined to happen. That doesn't mean the Cards shouldn't have pulled the plug on Fedde quicker. But at mid May, the guy had an even record and a sub 4.00 ERA. Then he just imploded. Probably by the end of June, they should have been putting McGreevy in and it likely would have pushed the Cards to being 3-4 games over 500 instead of even.

Spot on. I admittedly was one of those who thought he’d be a solid MOTR starter. Thought I was still right after first two months. Turned out I wasn’t.

A lot of us missed on Fedde. My biggest complaint is the Cardinals taking so long to move from Fedde to McGreevy.

[scoutyjones2]

Yes, McFedde is the answer to the Cards pitching