When does the re-build start?

[WLTFE]

As soon as Johnny bow ties gets his idiotic, lazy (donkey) out of the way. And the DeWitts find their checkbook and balls.

Mo-ran should just leave now...he's done so much damage being a snobby, arrogant POBO with a very punchable face. .DeTwit and balls don't seem to be a reality any longer.

[hoosiercardfan]

Cardinals have no clue what they're doing ...team need to be sold

This…….This…….This……

Without
Jocketty
LaRussa/Dunc
Luhnow
Look what this organization has deteriorate to. No clue what they’re doing

Many of us have been saying this for more than 10 years now...and I'd add in the roles of Sig Mejdal and Mike Elias as well. Luhnow was sorely missed and marked the end of the era.

And maybe most importantly since the death of George Kissell they've been scrambling with how to implement Branch Rickey's philosophy/tradition.

[greyhawk]

to the OP -- once this ownership is tired of seeing 10-15k fans in the seats watching their pathetic product. Mo rode the jocketty/larussa/dunc/molina coattails for as long as he could and will now ride off into the sunset of retirement.

[desertrat23]

to the OP -- once this ownership is tired of seeing 10-15k fans in the seats watching their pathetic product. Mo rode the jocketty/larussa/dunc/molina coattails for as long as he could and will now ride off into the sunset of retirement.

There's 25 home games left -- if they announced today that Mo was leaving early and Bloom was officially in charge, I'd say that's worth another 5,000 per game in attendance. Average spend of $50 per person and you're looking at $6.25 million more in revenue.

If Bloom already knows Oli isn't his guy and lets Descalso manage the last seven weeks you're probably looking at double that.

[WLTFE]

to the OP -- once this ownership is tired of seeing 10-15k fans in the seats watching their pathetic product. Mo rode the jocketty/larussa/dunc/molina coattails for as long as he could and will now ride off into the sunset of retirement.

There's 25 home games left -- if they announced today that Mo was leaving early and Bloom was officially in charge, I'd say that's worth another 5,000 per game in attendance. Average spend of $50 per person and you're looking at $6.25 million more in revenue.

If Bloom already knows Oli isn't his guy and lets Descalso manage the last seven weeks you're probably looking at double that.

+1,000,000...I can't agree more...bring up JJ... dump the Mo-ran and Oli...aend a message that the front office gives a [fork]...there are more Cardinals fans and they outnumber the front office (donkey) kissers...I guarantee my Section 148 would bring back a lot of fans!

[desertrat23]

to the OP -- once this ownership is tired of seeing 10-15k fans in the seats watching their pathetic product. Mo rode the jocketty/larussa/dunc/molina coattails for as long as he could and will now ride off into the sunset of retirement.

There's 25 home games left -- if they announced today that Mo was leaving early and Bloom was officially in charge, I'd say that's worth another 5,000 per game in attendance. Average spend of $50 per person and you're looking at $6.25 million more in revenue.

If Bloom already knows Oli isn't his guy and lets Descalso manage the last seven weeks you're probably looking at double that.

+1,000,000...I can't agree more...bring up JJ... dump the Mo-ran and Oli...aend a message that the front office gives a [fork]...there are more Cardinals fans and they outnumber the front office (donkey) kissers...I guarantee my Section 148 would bring back a lot of fans!

JJ won't come until September, but that's another serious bump. The fans are loyal, despite the disrespect they've been shown. Give them a reason to show up and they will.

[Hazelwood72]

STL could be a legitimate contender in 2027 with the right moves. But it will be massive upheaval and another losing season in 2026 to get there. The only contract of significance they have left in 2027 is Contreras at $18.5 mil.

2026. Sign multiple dumpster dive end of the FA season veterans to find a few more trade chips for the allstar break. Bring up Weatherholt and the best of the group of catchers to find the new regular. Bring up and break in the best of the pitching crop.

2027. Regulars left include Contreras, Donovan, Noot, Scott III, Winn, JJ W, Herrera, Saggesse, Walker, Gorman. Out of this group and the catchers crop we SHOULD have at least 8 guys worthy of being regulars at some position. Note unless they do something stupid in 2026 they will have a team salary well below $100 at this point. Here is how they vault into contention.

Sign Acuna. Not saying ATL won't outbid or he will come but this is the biggest prize in the FA market that year and is the perfect fit for what STL needs. If it takes $40 mil for 10 years so be it.

Sign two solid #3 starting pitchers. Hopefully internally they have stumbled onto a few more #2-3 types. This part is harder to predict. It will cost probably $40 mil for both of them but shouldn't be more than 2-4 years.

Team is now locked in:

C - Bernal/Crooks/Rodriguez ??
1B - Contreras/Herrera
2B - Donovan/Weatherholt
SS - Winn/Saggesse
3B - Gorman/Weatherholt
OF - Acuna, Noot, Walker, Scott

P - too hard to predict

Assuming a few of the kids perform that would be a solid lineup and defense.

But it demands making the right moves AND spending upwards of $180 mil salary. No clue if they will do it.

Oy vey! (And I’m Irish, not Jewish). I wish I had your optimism.

I don’t see any way on God’s green earth that our Cardinals will be legitimate contenders in 2027. They are SO far from being a decent ballclub that it would take a total miracle and a total explosion and house cleaning.

Your scenario of 8 regulars from the painfully slow and unathletic group you cite from 2027 is just fairy dust. These are mostly the same losers we have now. If you want more of clogging the basepaths and lousy defense, those are your guys.

Love your optimism, but can’t agree with your prediction.

It’s gonna take a LOT longer than 2027 for this team to have a sniff at the postseason, much less going far into it.

[WLTFE]

STL could be a legitimate contender in 2027 with the right moves. But it will be massive upheaval and another losing season in 2026 to get there. The only contract of significance they have left in 2027 is Contreras at $18.5 mil.

2026. Sign multiple dumpster dive end of the FA season veterans to find a few more trade chips for the allstar break. Bring up Weatherholt and the best of the group of catchers to find the new regular. Bring up and break in the best of the pitching crop.

2027. Regulars left include Contreras, Donovan, Noot, Scott III, Winn, JJ W, Herrera, Saggesse, Walker, Gorman. Out of this group and the catchers crop we SHOULD have at least 8 guys worthy of being regulars at some position. Note unless they do something stupid in 2026 they will have a team salary well below $100 at this point. Here is how they vault into contention.

Sign Acuna. Not saying ATL won't outbid or he will come but this is the biggest prize in the FA market that year and is the perfect fit for what STL needs. If it takes $40 mil for 10 years so be it.

Sign two solid #3 starting pitchers. Hopefully internally they have stumbled onto a few more #2-3 types. This part is harder to predict. It will cost probably $40 mil for both of them but shouldn't be more than 2-4 years.

Team is now locked in:

C - Bernal/Crooks/Rodriguez ??
1B - Contreras/Herrera
2B - Donovan/Weatherholt
SS - Winn/Saggesse
3B - Gorman/Weatherholt
OF - Acuna, Noot, Walker, Scott

P - too hard to predict

Assuming a few of the kids perform that would be a solid lineup and defense.

But it demands making the right moves AND spending upwards of $180 mil salary. No clue if they will do it.

Oy vey! (And I’m Irish, not Jewish). I wish I had your optimism.

I don’t see any way on God’s green earth that our Cardinals will be legitimate contenders in 2027. They are SO far from being a decent ballclub that it would take a total miracle and a total explosion and house cleaning.

Your scenario of 8 regulars from the painfully slow and unathletic group you cite from 2027 is just fairy dust. These are mostly the same losers we have now. If you want more of clogging the basepaths and lousy defense, those are your guys.

Love your optimism, but can’t agree with your prediction.

It’s gonna take a LOT longer than 2027 for this team to have a sniff at the postseason, much less going far into it.

But they used to be good and fun to watch...with stars that people wanted to see! And now they have players in the minors who are potential HOFers...please give more money to DeTwit!

[desertrat23]

STL could be a legitimate contender in 2027 with the right moves. But it will be massive upheaval and another losing season in 2026 to get there. The only contract of significance they have left in 2027 is Contreras at $18.5 mil.

2026. Sign multiple dumpster dive end of the FA season veterans to find a few more trade chips for the allstar break. Bring up Weatherholt and the best of the group of catchers to find the new regular. Bring up and break in the best of the pitching crop.

2027. Regulars left include Contreras, Donovan, Noot, Scott III, Winn, JJ W, Herrera, Saggesse, Walker, Gorman. Out of this group and the catchers crop we SHOULD have at least 8 guys worthy of being regulars at some position. Note unless they do something stupid in 2026 they will have a team salary well below $100 at this point. Here is how they vault into contention.

Sign Acuna. Not saying ATL won't outbid or he will come but this is the biggest prize in the FA market that year and is the perfect fit for what STL needs. If it takes $40 mil for 10 years so be it.

Sign two solid #3 starting pitchers. Hopefully internally they have stumbled onto a few more #2-3 types. This part is harder to predict. It will cost probably $40 mil for both of them but shouldn't be more than 2-4 years.

Team is now locked in:

C - Bernal/Crooks/Rodriguez ??
1B - Contreras/Herrera
2B - Donovan/Weatherholt
SS - Winn/Saggesse
3B - Gorman/Weatherholt
OF - Acuna, Noot, Walker, Scott

P - too hard to predict

Assuming a few of the kids perform that would be a solid lineup and defense.

But it demands making the right moves AND spending upwards of $180 mil salary. No clue if they will do it.

Oy vey! (And I’m Irish, not Jewish). I wish I had your optimism.

I don’t see any way on God’s green earth that our Cardinals will be legitimate contenders in 2027. They are SO far from being a decent ballclub that it would take a total miracle and a total explosion and house cleaning.

Your scenario of 8 regulars from the painfully slow and unathletic group you cite from 2027 is just fairy dust. These are mostly the same losers we have now. If you want more of clogging the basepaths and lousy defense, those are your guys.

Love your optimism, but can’t agree with your prediction.

It’s gonna take a LOT longer than 2027 for this team to have a sniff at the postseason, much less going far into it.

Yep. Not a chance Acuna happens. Just no way. It would be amazing, but not a chance, especially not with the lockout coming. I doubt there's a 2027 season, but here's what I see for 28:

C -- One of the kids. Crooks, Bernal, I don't care. Whoever performs best.
1B -- Herrera if he can continue to hit.
2b -- Weatherholt or outside help
SS -- Winn
3b -- Weatherholt or outside help
LF -- ??
CF -- Scott if he can hit, if not outside help
RF -- Outside help
UT -- Donovan

P -- Too many holes. Hopefully Doyle and McGreevy can stick. Maybe Hence or Hjerpe or Matthews?

Move on from Gorman, Walker, and that (bleep) Lars Nootbaar. Donovan isn't a centerpiece. It just ain't that great a lineup.

[Hazelwood72]

STL could be a legitimate contender in 2027 with the right moves. But it will be massive upheaval and another losing season in 2026 to get there. The only contract of significance they have left in 2027 is Contreras at $18.5 mil.

2026. Sign multiple dumpster dive end of the FA season veterans to find a few more trade chips for the allstar break. Bring up Weatherholt and the best of the group of catchers to find the new regular. Bring up and break in the best of the pitching crop.

2027. Regulars left include Contreras, Donovan, Noot, Scott III, Winn, JJ W, Herrera, Saggesse, Walker, Gorman. Out of this group and the catchers crop we SHOULD have at least 8 guys worthy of being regulars at some position. Note unless they do something stupid in 2026 they will have a team salary well below $100 at this point. Here is how they vault into contention.

Sign Acuna. Not saying ATL won't outbid or he will come but this is the biggest prize in the FA market that year and is the perfect fit for what STL needs. If it takes $40 mil for 10 years so be it.

Sign two solid #3 starting pitchers. Hopefully internally they have stumbled onto a few more #2-3 types. This part is harder to predict. It will cost probably $40 mil for both of them but shouldn't be more than 2-4 years.

Team is now locked in:

C - Bernal/Crooks/Rodriguez ??
1B - Contreras/Herrera
2B - Donovan/Weatherholt
SS - Winn/Saggesse
3B - Gorman/Weatherholt
OF - Acuna, Noot, Walker, Scott

P - too hard to predict

Assuming a few of the kids perform that would be a solid lineup and defense.

But it demands making the right moves AND spending upwards of $180 mil salary. No clue if they will do it.

Oy vey! (And I’m Irish, not Jewish). I wish I had your optimism.

I don’t see any way on God’s green earth that our Cardinals will be legitimate contenders in 2027. They are SO far from being a decent ballclub that it would take a total miracle and a total explosion and house cleaning.

Your scenario of 8 regulars from the painfully slow and unathletic group you cite from 2027 is just fairy dust. These are mostly the same losers we have now. If you want more of clogging the basepaths and lousy defense, those are your guys.

Love your optimism, but can’t agree with your prediction.

It’s gonna take a LOT longer than 2027 for this team to have a sniff at the postseason, much less going far into it.

Yep. Not a chance Acuna happens. Just no way. It would be amazing, but not a chance, especially not with the lockout coming. I doubt there's a 2027 season, but here's what I see for 28:

C -- One of the kids. Crooks, Bernal, I don't care. Whoever performs best.
1B -- Herrera if he can continue to hit.
2b -- Weatherholt or outside help
SS -- Winn
3b -- Weatherholt or outside help
LF -- ??
CF -- Scott if he can hit, if not outside help
RF -- Outside help
UT -- Donovan

P -- Too many holes. Hopefully Doyle and McGreevy can stick. Maybe Hence or Hjerpe or Matthews?

Move on from Gorman, Walker, and that (drat) Lars Nootbaar. Donovan isn't a centerpiece. It just ain't that great a lineup.

“It just ain’t that great of a lineup.”

Bingo!

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When does the re-build start?

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