Why stats can lie(re:Mcgreevy)
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Why stats can lie(re:Mcgreevy)
his stat line doesn't tell the story, he was very unlucky to give up 3 of those 4 runs
and on at least 2 of them, he made his pitch and batter got lucky. they didn't hit 1 solid ball to knock in any of 3 runs, 4th run,homer, yes it was tagged.
this is a game where you know, you throw same stuff and you will have quality starts and win games.
and on at least 2 of them, he made his pitch and batter got lucky. they didn't hit 1 solid ball to knock in any of 3 runs, 4th run,homer, yes it was tagged.
this is a game where you know, you throw same stuff and you will have quality starts and win games.
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Re: Why stats can lie(re:Mcgreevy)
You might want to consider xERA.
Expected ERA (xERA) is a statistic that measures how well a pitcher or hitter performed based on the quality of contact. It is derived from Expected Weighted On-Base Average (xwOBA).
Expected ERA (xERA) is a statistic that measures how well a pitcher or hitter performed based on the quality of contact. It is derived from Expected Weighted On-Base Average (xwOBA).
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Re: Why stats can lie(re:Mcgreevy)
The lucky shots, some came from pitches high in the zone. I’m thinking lower down and maybe those are ground balls or line outs.AtillaTheBlue1 wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 07:50 am his stat line doesn't tell the story, he was very unlucky to give up 3 of those 4 runs
and on at least 2 of them, he made his pitch and batter got lucky. they didn't hit 1 solid ball to knock in any of 3 runs, 4th run,homer, yes it was tagged.
this is a game where you know, you throw same stuff and you will have quality starts and win games.
Re: Why stats can lie(re:Mcgreevy)
Hes a pitch to contact guy, he relies heavily on luck to be successful. His ceiling is a backend of the rotation SP.
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Re: Why stats can lie(re:Mcgreevy)
Two starts vs his hometown team, one here and one back where he grew up last night:
10 2/3 IP
11 ER
17 Hit's
2 BB's
9.29 ERA
1.59 WHiP
Other 5 starts this season:
25 1/3 IP
11 ER
26 Hit's
3 BB's
3.91 ERA
1.14 WHiP
I know this will get c r a p but I'm chalking up those two starts vs his hometown Padres to nerves given how well he's pitched in his other five starts this season.
10 2/3 IP
11 ER
17 Hit's
2 BB's
9.29 ERA
1.59 WHiP
Other 5 starts this season:
25 1/3 IP
11 ER
26 Hit's
3 BB's
3.91 ERA
1.14 WHiP
I know this will get c r a p but I'm chalking up those two starts vs his hometown Padres to nerves given how well he's pitched in his other five starts this season.
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Re: Why stats can lie(re:Mcgreevy)
One of those hits came off a slow roller ground ball that Gorman couldn't field. Nado throws that one out every time.sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 08:00 amThe lucky shots, some came from pitches high in the zone. I’m thinking lower down and maybe those are ground balls or line outs.AtillaTheBlue1 wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 07:50 am his stat line doesn't tell the story, he was very unlucky to give up 3 of those 4 runs
and on at least 2 of them, he made his pitch and batter got lucky. they didn't hit 1 solid ball to knock in any of 3 runs, 4th run,homer, yes it was tagged.
this is a game where you know, you throw same stuff and you will have quality starts and win games.
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Re: Why stats can lie(re:Mcgreevy)
I saw that.Carp4Cy wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 10:17 amOne of those hits came off a slow roller ground ball that Gorman couldn't field. Nado throws that one out every time.sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 08:00 amThe lucky shots, some came from pitches high in the zone. I’m thinking lower down and maybe those are ground balls or line outs.AtillaTheBlue1 wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 07:50 am his stat line doesn't tell the story, he was very unlucky to give up 3 of those 4 runs
and on at least 2 of them, he made his pitch and batter got lucky. they didn't hit 1 solid ball to knock in any of 3 runs, 4th run,homer, yes it was tagged.
this is a game where you know, you throw same stuff and you will have quality starts and win games.
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Re: Why stats can lie(re:Mcgreevy)
Will these pitch to contact pitchers be aided a little more than some others, by ball strike call challenge system?
Remembering how the cards wound up with Mulder (after looking at Hudson) after they stated they wanted a power pitcher for the playoffs for when the umps squeezed the plate.
Remembering how the cards wound up with Mulder (after looking at Hudson) after they stated they wanted a power pitcher for the playoffs for when the umps squeezed the plate.
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Re: Why stats can lie(re:Mcgreevy)
Back end starter, young cost controlled may eat some innings but he's not going to be a bellwether for this rotation in the future.
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Re: Why stats can lie(re:Mcgreevy)
Pitch to contact. Lots of contact.
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Re: Why stats can lie(re:Mcgreevy)
I can't believe that was ruled a hit. Clear error.Carp4Cy wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 10:17 amOne of those hits came off a slow roller ground ball that Gorman couldn't field. Nado throws that one out every time.sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 08:00 amThe lucky shots, some came from pitches high in the zone. I’m thinking lower down and maybe those are ground balls or line outs.AtillaTheBlue1 wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 07:50 am his stat line doesn't tell the story, he was very unlucky to give up 3 of those 4 runs
and on at least 2 of them, he made his pitch and batter got lucky. they didn't hit 1 solid ball to knock in any of 3 runs, 4th run,homer, yes it was tagged.
this is a game where you know, you throw same stuff and you will have quality starts and win games.
Re: Why stats can lie(re:Mcgreevy)
I think his ceiling is a pretty solid no. 3 with his floor being one of the better 5s in baseball. Maybe leaning more towards the 5. His true value will be accumulating a lot of innings and being a savior for worn out bullpens.
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Re: Why stats can lie(re:Mcgreevy)
On today's telecast, Sweeney just said that McGreevy was "excellent" last night.
6 IP, 4 ER, 7 H, 1 BB, 4 K, 1 HR. That's a 6.00 ERA and a 1.333 WHIP for the night. Some might consider that "poor".
6 IP, 4 ER, 7 H, 1 BB, 4 K, 1 HR. That's a 6.00 ERA and a 1.333 WHIP for the night. Some might consider that "poor".