Willson Contreas

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Re: Willson Contreas

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Futuregm2 wrote: 02 Aug 2025 17:23 pm
Ozziesfan41 wrote: 02 Aug 2025 17:19 pm
WeeVikes wrote: 02 Aug 2025 15:45 pm
Baseball Savant wrote: 02 Aug 2025 14:35 pm
dugoutrex wrote: 02 Aug 2025 14:33 pm is ... the best player on the team!
That’s a huge problem if you believe that

Winn is the best player by WAR, by far
Enter the, “WAR is a made-up stat” crowd in 5… 4… 3….
Putting all the war debate aside and saying if war is 100% accurate and Winn is the best player on the team the team is in big big big trouble
Well he is. For now. And they are.

fWAR leaders
1. Winn 3.3
2. Donovan 2.4
3. Contreras 2.0
4. Scott 2.0
5. Herrera 1.4
6. Burleson 1.4


It should be noted that of those 6 players, the only one to have a positive rating in both offense and defense is Winn.
Shows you how far the cardinals are from being a good team. Don’t get me wrong I like Winn I was saying they should try to sign him to a team friendly contract that buys out a couple of free agency years because I think what he is now is his floor which is pretty good but still if what he is now is the best your team has to offer your team is in a sad sorry state of affairs
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Re: Willson Contreas

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ilcubuffs wrote: 02 Aug 2025 11:41 am WC is symptomatic of Cardinal baseball. Marginal MLB quality.
Thats an exaggeration. You dont have to look far gor marginal MLB quality. WC is NOT in that category.
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Contreras is a good player I like him he’s probably my favorite cardinal right now him and Herrera. The problem is he is a complementary player not the guy and people mistakenly think he should be the guy and because he isn’t they hate on him for that. He’s not getting paid like he’s the guy he’s getting paid like a complementary player and that’s what he was supposed to be he was supposed to be a complimentary player to Goldy and arenado which he would have flourished as but sadly goldy and arenado completely collapsed making him the guy by default. And now the cardinals best players Donovan burly and Contreras are thrust into having to be the guys and that’s not what they are they are complimentary players
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Ozziesfan41 wrote: 02 Aug 2025 17:59 pm Contreras is a good player I like him he’s probably my favorite cardinal right now him and Herrera. The problem is he is a complementary player not the guy and people mistakenly think he should be the guy and because he isn’t they hate on him for that. He’s not getting paid like he’s the guy he’s getting paid like a complementary player and that’s what he was supposed to be he was supposed to be a complimentary player to Goldy and arenado which he would have flourished as but sadly goldy and arenado completely collapsed making him the guy by default. And now the cardinals best players Donovan burly and Contreras are thrust into having to be the guys and that’s not what they are they are complimentary players
Agreed, and to make matters worse neither Walker nor Gorman have developed into anything remotely close to being “the guy” that they thought they could once Goldy/Nado declined. And it all happened at once.

Now we’re stuck hoping for Wetherholt to be that. And hoping the new front office can develop/find another guy or two like Wetherhol to also be the guyt. We will see.
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Re: Willson Contreas

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Ozziesfan41 wrote: 02 Aug 2025 17:19 pm
WeeVikes wrote: 02 Aug 2025 15:45 pm
Baseball Savant wrote: 02 Aug 2025 14:35 pm
dugoutrex wrote: 02 Aug 2025 14:33 pm is ... the best player on the team!
That’s a huge problem if you believe that

Winn is the best player by WAR, by far
Enter the, “WAR is a made-up stat” crowd in 5… 4… 3….
Putting all the war debate aside and saying if war is 100% accurate and Winn is the best player on the team the team is in big big big trouble
No argument there
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Re: Willson Contreas

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Ozziesfan41 wrote: 02 Aug 2025 17:59 pm Contreras is a good player I like him he’s probably my favorite cardinal right now him and Herrera. The problem is he is a complementary player not the guy and people mistakenly think he should be the guy and because he isn’t they hate on him for that. He’s not getting paid like he’s the guy he’s getting paid like a complementary player and that’s what he was supposed to be he was supposed to be a complimentary player to Goldy and arenado which he would have flourished as but sadly goldy and arenado completely collapsed making him the guy by default. And now the cardinals best players Donovan burly and Contreras are thrust into having to be the guys and that’s not what they are they are complimentary players
100% spot on !
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Jatalk wrote: 02 Aug 2025 08:10 am Lot of dummies on CT.
That's a given.
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Ozziesfan41 wrote: 02 Aug 2025 17:59 pm Contreras is a good player I like him he’s probably my favorite cardinal right now him and Herrera. The problem is he is a complementary player not the guy and people mistakenly think he should be the guy and because he isn’t they hate on him for that. He’s not getting paid like he’s the guy he’s getting paid like a complementary player and that’s what he was supposed to be he was supposed to be a complimentary player to Goldy and arenado which he would have flourished as but sadly goldy and arenado completely collapsed making him the guy by default. And now the cardinals best players Donovan burly and Contreras are thrust into having to be the guys and that’s not what they are they are complimentary players
Hit the nail on the head! Dude plays his (donkey) off and is far down the list of issues this year.
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Re: Willson Contreas

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That play would never have happened with a healthy Nado at 3b. Gorman is not a good fielder.
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redbirdfan51 wrote: 02 Aug 2025 08:21 am WC is one of the players I wish would have waived his no trade clause. WC simply is not in the Cards future. I would rather see Burleson at first base.
Trouble is the future looks worse than the present. Unless that changes I'd like to keep Willson thru his option year in 28.
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Carp4Cy wrote: 02 Aug 2025 21:36 pm That play would never have happened with a healthy Nado at 3b. Gorman is not a good fielder.
Gorman is stiff as a board as a player
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Re: Willson Contreas

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Baseball Savant wrote: 02 Aug 2025 21:39 pm
Carp4Cy wrote: 02 Aug 2025 21:36 pm That play would never have happened with a healthy Nado at 3b. Gorman is not a good fielder.
Gorman is stiff as a board as a player
bad back maybe?
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Re: Willson Contreas

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Baseball Savant wrote: 02 Aug 2025 14:12 pm
hmoss859 wrote: 02 Aug 2025 14:07 pm He said this week he doesnt care about winning, he has his WS ring

His antics are fake tough guy

Not emotionally stable

Gray, Arenado and Contreas take up about 70% of 2026 payroll

But there is no pressure to win here

Just the way they like it
Contreas is a punk always has been back to Cubs days

Gray and Arenado just cashing fat checks
A punk?....on the field?.....everything I've read about him says he's a great guy....his teammates say he's a great guy...saying he doesn't want to win is ridiculous...he wanted to be in st louis and made that clear before he signed...he believed this organization was still the one ..who was always in the hunt for a division title and be playing in the post season more times than not.....he's not the problem
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