ESPN Olney: Cards are exchanging names for Helsley

[zbasspro]

Whoever doesn’t think they’re going to get good prospects back for Helsley are on crack.

rock keeps repeating it as if he knows what he’s talking about, but he’s full of shart

Agreed, they'll get a top-100 prospect, or the equivalent in return.

[An Old Friend]

At this rate maybe just keep him and offer QO and take the extra draft pick

And when he accepts the QO, you’ve gotten nothing for him and are paying $20MM for a closer when ownership wants to lower payroll.

Tell him to agree to decline it. And if he accepts then he owes us 150 IP and will have to start.

Wut

[mattmitchl44]

ESPN Buster Olney reporting today :

on Tuesday morning, multiple executives said the Cardinals are exchanging names and appear devoted to moving Helsley, though the offers for him might not be as robust as they had hoped.

I’m not surprised they aren’t robust the time to move him was in the offseason when he had just finished a great season and they could get a full season from him. Now he’s had a less than great season with a fast ball that now gets crushed and he’s a two month rental

This.

They could have tried to move him last offseason to a team with a higher payroll who was looking at at least a two year window (2025-2026) to compete for a WS. A team like that, if they had acquired him last offseason, could justify offering him a QO after this year and at worst case hope to keep him around for 2026.

Whatever they do get for him now, they should have been able to get considerably more last offseason.

[ecleme22]

Sell high or not at all....Mo

Why? He will be a FA in two months...

[Cardinals4Life]

I think the return is going to really disappoint those who think he's bringing back a Top 100 MB prospect, never happening.

Maybe they can work out a handshake to decline the QO if he’s not traded. He’s going to want the multi year contract.

And he's earned one

I'd deal him C4C.........get the prospect(s)............and if BDWJr/Bloom want him back, then negotiate w/him this winter.

he's already come out the other day and said "I would love to sign back here".

Just about every free agent says that they would love to come back what they mean is they will come back if they are the top bidder and the cardinals aren’t going to be remotely close to the top bidder. Cards aren’t investing money in a closer and its stupid to invest in a closer anyway

It is??

[CCard]

Any team that is contending for a World Series title would shorten the game by an inning for the opposition. That alone deserves multiple prospects in the top 100. Now add bidding into it. If they move Helsley, they're going to get some good prospects. Some of you live in a fantasy thinking the Cards are just going to give him away. A team serious about winning will go for it.

[Strummer Jones]

I saw somewhere (can't remember where--don't shoot the messenger) that Mick Abel might be in play if Hels goes to Philadelphia. I'd be happy with that.

[Colotiger]

Mo will likely exit the store with low hanging fruit.

[Goldfan]

Whatever it is…..for the love of God…..please include NA

[Goldfan]

Do these contenders know that RH aint that good under pressure…..maybe I shouldn’t have typed that…

[Ozziesfan41]

I think the return is going to really disappoint those who think he's bringing back a Top 100 MB prospect, never happening.

Maybe they can work out a handshake to decline the QO if he’s not traded. He’s going to want the multi year contract.

And he's earned one

I'd deal him C4C.........get the prospect(s)............and if BDWJr/Bloom want him back, then negotiate w/him this winter.

he's already come out the other day and said "I would love to sign back here".

Just about every free agent says that they would love to come back what they mean is they will come back if they are the top bidder and the cardinals aren’t going to be remotely close to the top bidder. Cards aren’t investing money in a closer and its stupid to invest in a closer anyway

It is??

Yes especially when hitters are batting .400 against that closers fastball

[Cardinals4Life]

I think the return is going to really disappoint those who think he's bringing back a Top 100 MB prospect, never happening.

Maybe they can work out a handshake to decline the QO if he’s not traded. He’s going to want the multi year contract.

And he's earned one

I'd deal him C4C.........get the prospect(s)............and if BDWJr/Bloom want him back, then negotiate w/him this winter.

he's already come out the other day and said "I would love to sign back here".

Just about every free agent says that they would love to come back what they mean is they will come back if they are the top bidder and the cardinals aren’t going to be remotely close to the top bidder. Cards aren’t investing money in a closer and its stupid to invest in a closer anyway

It is??

Yes especially when hitters are batting .400 against that closers fastball

Lol

[scoutyjones2]

And what is the big deal if they don't trade him...

Missed opportunity to acquire a prospect or two that might help later on? Shouldn’t be too difficult to figure out, you’re being obtuse as usual.

What if the prospects are more meh? Prior to last year, Helsley had 33 saves across 2 years.

He blows up last year and now has the highest WHIP and ERA of his career...

Do you think teams are noticing that???

So your argument is that they shouldn’t trade Helsley because the return won’t be as good as it would’ve been last year? You’ve said all along that they didn’t trade him in the offseason because they didn’t get any decent offers (which is pure speculation on your part) and now you’re saying they won’t get any offers so why bother. Excuses for being lazy is what I’m seeing from you.

My point is, I don't care if they do or don't trade Helsley. I don't trust relievers/closers. If they get a deal that works for them, great. If they don't, great..

They won't pay him to stay so it means little traded or not. I get that people want something instead of nothing. But I just care.

I think the bigger play is moving Hurdy Gurdy

[Horseradish]

And what is the big deal if they don't trade him...

Missed opportunity to acquire a prospect or two that might help later on? Shouldn’t be too difficult to figure out, you’re being obtuse as usual.

What if the prospects are more meh? Prior to last year, Helsley had 33 saves across 2 years.

He blows up last year and now has the highest WHIP and ERA of his career...

Do you think teams are noticing that???

So your argument is that they shouldn’t trade Helsley because the return won’t be as good as it would’ve been last year? You’ve said all along that they didn’t trade him in the offseason because they didn’t get any decent offers (which is pure speculation on your part) and now you’re saying they won’t get any offers so why bother. Excuses for being lazy is what I’m seeing from you.

My point is, I don't care if they do or don't trade Helsley. I don't trust relievers/closers. If they get a deal that works for them, great. If they don't, great..

They won't pay him to stay so it means little traded or not. I get that people want something instead of nothing. But I just care.

I think the bigger play is moving Hurdy Gurdy

After all of our back and forth about reading Helsley you ultimately say you just don’t care because relievers are volatile and they weren’t going to extend him? Seriously?

It’s called asset management, you either get value in return for assets you’re not going to retain or you let them walk and get nothing. Just because you aren’t getting a huge return doesn’t mean you should be lazy and do nothing.

You never had a point and just wanted to argue.

[RamFan08NY]

I think the return is going to really disappoint those who think he's bringing back a Top 100 MB prospect, never happening.

Doubt that too .. the Cardinals will look to multiple prospects deal IMO . I would be surprised if a deal is a 1 for 1
Look for two prospects in a teams range of No. 5 thru 20

Let's hope for a bidding war, then they might get those two prospects from a teams 10-20 or one in the 5-9 range?

They got a top 10, and a top 15, and many here are still upset about it. Reality for a guy who "might" pitch 15 - 20 innings for the Mets.

[hugeCardfan]

Sell high or not at all....Mo

Why? He will be a FA in two months...

The Yankees got Gleyber Torres for Chapman and then re-signed him. "Yeah, huge, (in a deep baritone) but Helsley ain't no Chapman."