Unbelievable!!

[Dewey Kuey]

My vote for most idiotic thought of the year on CT!

"Trade Donovan and just play Gorman at 2nd"

Yes, lets weaken our defense and offense all in one simple move at one position. Must have some of Mo and Oli's DNA in you.

[dugoutrex]

what if high boi does it - or of he gets traded you'll just blame Moe ?

[3dender]

My vote for most idiotic thought of the year on CT!

"Trade Donovan and just play Gorman at 2nd"

Yes, lets weaken our defense and offense all in one simple move at one position. Must have some of Mo and Oli's DNA in you.

What if Donovan gets you a solid #2 starter? Then it's Gorman + Pitcher >>>> Donovan

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Gorman would not be the guy at 2B. Wetherholt would.

[Ozziesfan41]

My vote for most idiotic thought of the year on CT!

"Trade Donovan and just play Gorman at 2nd"

Yes, lets weaken our defense and offense all in one simple move at one position. Must have some of Mo and Oli's DNA in you.

What if Donovan gets you a solid #2 starter? Then it's Gorman + Pitcher >>>> Donovan

Or if they can trade Donovan for a top hitting prospect you do it. Gorman would only hold it down until September then JJ comes up to play second

[scoutyjones2]

My vote for most idiotic thought of the year on CT!

"Trade Donovan and just play Gorman at 2nd"

Yes, lets weaken our defense and offense all in one simple move at one position. Must have some of Mo and Oli's DNA in you.

Donovan is nothing but meh at 2b. What if he brings back a RH OFer? Power bat? Starting pitcher?

HueyDueyLuey isn't all the bright

[AnExParrot]

This team isn't close to being good enough to compete for a world series, why the hell would I worry about losing Donovan's defense, which isn't all that great, at 2nd base?

[blackinkbiz]

My vote for most idiotic thought of the year on CT!

"Trade Donovan and just play Gorman at 2nd"

Yes, lets weaken our defense and offense all in one simple move at one position. Must have some of Mo and Oli's DNA in you.

Hate to tell you but Gorman's not THAT bad at 2b and of course, Wetherholt's probably manning that position in the future.

This team is likely not to be competitive until at least 2027-28, especially with what's likely to be a paradigm-shifting CBA after next season.

If some team is willing to give a haul for Donny, it'd be borderline idiotic NOT to do it. Donny's a great player but he's not a MOTO bat so Cards need core pieces before they should concern themselves with paying a lot to complementary players.

[Jobu's Rum]

My vote for most idiotic thought of the year on CT!

"Trade Donovan and just play Gorman at 2nd"

Yes, lets weaken our defense and offense all in one simple move at one position. Must have some of Mo and Oli's DNA in you.

You lack long term vision, for one if you trade Donnie and get 1-2 top shelf prospects as a MOTOB or #1-2 SP you do it. You then have JJ at 2nd which is a good bet, plus the strengthened SP or MOTOB pipeline. You keep Donnie, then what? You have a solid 1-2 hitter for a terrible team that isn't going anywhere. So he is essentially wasted here.

[rockondlouie]

Gorman would not be the guy at 2B. Wetherholt would.

^^^THIS^^^

And my bet is JJ would be there almost immediately if Bloom is indeed handed the keys after the trade deadline like Mo said he'd do this spring.

[Detroit Louie]

My vote for most idiotic thought of the year on CT!

"Trade Donovan and just play Gorman at 2nd"

Yes, lets weaken our defense and offense all in one simple move at one position. Must have some of Mo and Oli's DNA in you.

What if Donovan gets you a solid #2 starter? Then it's Gorman + Pitcher >>>> Donovan

Or if they can trade Donovan for a top hitting prospect you do it. Gorman would only hold it down until September then JJ comes up to play second

Yes, though it looks like JJ does not get called up in Sept due to 40-man problems. He is protected this winter without being on the 40-man. Therefore they need that slot to protect young pitchers on the bubble, several of whom have undergone TJ surgery this year. Doesn't matter as the Cardinals are not going anywhere this year anyway. So if they do trade Donny, which I think is possible but unlikely, they have Gorman for the duration -- giving him a final "runway" to prove himself. Meanwhile, the Cards are also listening to trade offers for Gorman. Can't imagine teams will offer anything near his perceived value to the Cards.

[Absolut]

My vote for most idiotic thought of the year on CT!

"Trade Donovan and just play Gorman at 2nd"

Yes, lets weaken our defense and offense all in one simple move at one position. Must have some of Mo and Oli's DNA in you.

If you think that’s the most idiotic thought, you must be new.

[Cusecards]

Despite his raw power I think it is safe to assume that most would deal Gorman before Donovan?
To me...it’s about the return obviously.
I doubt you get a high ceiling pitching prospect for Gorman. But you could for Donovan?
That’s the debate.

[Futuregm2]

My vote for most idiotic thought of the year on CT!

"Trade Donovan and just play Gorman at 2nd"

Yes, lets weaken our defense and offense all in one simple move at one position. Must have some of Mo and Oli's DNA in you.

You lack long term vision, for one if you trade Donnie and get 1-2 top shelf prospects as a MOTOB or #1-2 SP you do it. You then have JJ at 2nd which is a good bet, plus the strengthened SP or MOTOB pipeline. You keep Donnie, then what? You have a solid 1-2 hitter for a terrible team that isn't going anywhere. So he is essentially wasted here.

+1

[rockondlouie]

Yes, though it looks like JJ does not get called up in Sept due to 40-man problems. He is protected this winter without being on the 40-man. Therefore they need that slot to protect young pitchers on the bubble, several of whom have undergone TJ surgery this year.

That won't be an issue DL

Bloom is going to cull away a lot of Mo's deadweight (Roycroft, Baker, Siani, Hampson) on the 40 man.

If Helsley, Maton and/or Matz are gone that's one-three open slots so JJW can easily be added for a callup even before Bloom reshapes the 40 man.

[ClassicO]

Facts:
1) Gorman - he is not a second baseman. He's a DH for whom they can't find a place, and maybe won't for a long time. He's career -12 DRS and -18 OAA = beyond bad. No range. He's only played 231 career innings at 3b and is -3 DRS and 0 OAA.
2) Donny - he is a so-so second baseman. If the bar is "ok defense," he's your man. He's 10th out of 21 second basemen with over 400 ABs (one spot above Edman) and 13th out of 21 in Outs Above Average. He's only played 3b for 326 innings, but it's his best defensive numbers (+7 DRS/+3 OAA).
3) Wetherholt - They lose a year of service (biblically stupid) if they bring up JJW if he has more than 45 days on the roster or 130 ABs.

So, they can trade Donovan and Gorman and play someone else like Fermin at second base until August 14, after which they can play JJW at 2b (Sept only 28 roster days and none in Oct).