Whatashame wrote: ↑21 Jul 2025 12:03 pm
I’ve settled on 5 and not quite sure how to get it down to four, if that’s the Mt Rushmore of Blues history number.
Barclays Plager
Brett Hull
Bernie Federko
Brian Sutter
Chris Pronger
Every one of these guys were instrumental in the Blues past. Binnington is still outside to me but he still has some Blues career to go. There isn’t a scenario where Brian Sutter doesn’t belong. He was the heart and soul of the Blues for years. I wish he wanted to be a part of the Blues alumni and Blues future but has decided that he would rather stay home on his farm. That doesn’t take away what he meant to Blues history.
If I had to eliminate one, it would be Pronger but he was the leader of that Blues era. Binnington is the leader of this era but who gets left off. Time will tell.
I will never view Sutter the same after he coached the Blackhawks.
Art Shell should never have coached the Chiefs
Brett Favre should never have played for the Vikings
Brian Sutter should never have coached the Blackhawks
Player, coaches GMs, and owners have careers to navigate, we as die-hard Blues fans tend to invest our hearts in the Blues unwaveringly. We don't get traded and tend not to be compelled to move on to the next job in another city in order to stay in our line of work. A slew of people who made substantial contributions to the Blues and the community ultimately moved on for one reason or another. Many came back, life took some in different directions:
Scotty Bowman
Al Arbour
Red Berenson (don't forget he coached the Blues team with the then-most points in 80-81)
Garry Unger
Bruce Affleck
Joe Michelletti
Bernie Federko
Brian Sutter
Ron Caron
Brett Hull
Joel Quenneville
Chris Pronger
Keith Tkachuk
David Backes
Paul Stastny
Alex Pietrangelo
Vladimir Tarasenko
Ryan O'Reilly
Craig Berube
Etc.
Whatashame wrote: ↑21 Jul 2025 12:03 pm
I’ve settled on 5 and not quite sure how to get it down to four, if that’s the Mt Rushmore of Blues history number.
Barclays Plager
Brett Hull
Bernie Federko
Brian Sutter
Chris Pronger
Every one of these guys were instrumental in the Blues past. Binnington is still outside to me but he still has some Blues career to go. There isn’t a scenario where Brian Sutter doesn’t belong. He was the heart and soul of the Blues for years. I wish he wanted to be a part of the Blues alumni and Blues future but has decided that he would rather stay home on his farm. That doesn’t take away what he meant to Blues history.
If I had to eliminate one, it would be Pronger but he was the leader of that Blues era. Binnington is the leader of this era but who gets left off. Time will tell.
I will never view Sutter the same after he coached the Blackhawks.
Art Shell should never have coached the Chiefs
Brett Favre should never have played for the Vikings
Brian Sutter should never have coached the Blackhawks
Player, coaches GMs, and owners have careers to navigate, we as die-hard Blues fans tend to invest our hearts in the Blues unwaveringly. We don't get traded and tend not to be compelled to move on to the next job in another city in order to stay in our line of work. A slew of people who made substantial contributions to the Blues and the community ultimately moved on for one reason or another. Many came back, life took some in different directions:
Scotty Bowman
Al Arbour
Red Berenson (don't forget he coached the Blues team with the then-most points in 80-81)
Garry Unger
Bruce Affleck
Joe Michelletti
Bernie Federko
Brian Sutter
Ron Caron
Brett Hull
Joel Quenneville
Chris Pronger
Keith Tkachuk
David Backes
Paul Stastny
Alex Pietrangelo
Vladimir Tarasenko
Ryan O'Reilly
Craig Berube
Etc.
Don’t misunderstand me, of course it’s a business and they still have to earn a living.
I’m speaking solely from a fan perspective. Most of those names you mentioned also didn’t go to our most hated rival. That’s what the examples I gave earlier were about
Whatashame wrote: ↑21 Jul 2025 12:03 pm
I’ve settled on 5 and not quite sure how to get it down to four, if that’s the Mt Rushmore of Blues history number.
Barclays Plager
Brett Hull
Bernie Federko
Brian Sutter
Chris Pronger
Every one of these guys were instrumental in the Blues past. Binnington is still outside to me but he still has some Blues career to go. There isn’t a scenario where Brian Sutter doesn’t belong. He was the heart and soul of the Blues for years. I wish he wanted to be a part of the Blues alumni and Blues future but has decided that he would rather stay home on his farm. That doesn’t take away what he meant to Blues history.
If I had to eliminate one, it would be Pronger but he was the leader of that Blues era. Binnington is the leader of this era but who gets left off. Time will tell.
I will never view Sutter the same after he coached the Blackhawks.
Art Shell should never have coached the Chiefs
Brett Favre should never have played for the Vikings
Brian Sutter should never have coached the Blackhawks
Player, coaches GMs, and owners have careers to navigate, we as die-hard Blues fans tend to invest our hearts in the Blues unwaveringly. We don't get traded and tend not to be compelled to move on to the next job in another city in order to stay in our line of work. A slew of people who made substantial contributions to the Blues and the community ultimately moved on for one reason or another. Many came back, life took some in different directions:
Scotty Bowman
Al Arbour
Red Berenson (don't forget he coached the Blues team with the then-most points in 80-81)
Garry Unger
Bruce Affleck
Joe Michelletti
Bernie Federko
Brian Sutter
Ron Caron
Brett Hull
Joel Quenneville
Chris Pronger
Keith Tkachuk
David Backes
Paul Stastny
Alex Pietrangelo
Vladimir Tarasenko
Ryan O'Reilly
Craig Berube
Etc.
Don’t misunderstand me, of course it’s a business and they still have to earn a living.
I’m speaking solely from a fan perspective. Most of those names you mentioned also didn’t go to our most hated rival. That’s what the examples I gave earlier were about
I'm with you there. Hull as a Dallas Star was a hard sell, but in the end I rooted for him in the playoffs. Bowman and Arbour were tough to watch through the years, enormous successes elsewhere.
To me a Mount Rushmore list is the best 4 long time members of whatever subject, in this case Blues players. While Plager is one of the most influential players to be a Blue he's not in the top 10 as far as "best player" let alone top 4.
The FIRST Blue -- Glenn Hall. Gave them an identity and his ability got them into the first three finals. I witnessed those years and we were so overmatched, Glenn singlehandedly kept us in those games. I would say an old Hall was still the best goalie we've every had, including Binner. And I love Binner.
Walter Sobchak00 wrote: ↑21 Jul 2025 16:11 pm
To me a Mount Rushmore list is the best 4 long time members of whatever subject, in this case Blues players. While Plager is one of the most influential players to be a Blue he's not in the top 10 as far as "best player" let alone top 4.
Pronger
Hull
Federko
MacInnis
Solid reasoning, but I still think Binnington has to be up there. All time goalie leader in wins and brought us our only Cup. He goes in place of probably MacInnis.
In all honesty, limiting it to only 4 is a fool’s errand. We have a lot more that are deserving
OlderndWiser wrote: ↑21 Jul 2025 17:10 pm
The FIRST Blue -- Glenn Hall. Gave them an identity and his ability got them into the first three finals. I witnessed those years and we were so overmatched, Glenn singlehandedly kept us in those games. I would say an old Hall was still the best goalie we've every had, including Binner. And I love Binner.
Ranking our goalies would be another great discussion.
Red7 wrote: ↑21 Jul 2025 09:01 am
Brett Hull
Bernie Federko
Brian Sutter
Barclay Plager
replace sutter with unger and I'd agree
I have to disagree. I mean I love Unger, he was the first player as a kid who I identified and understood was an elite scorer. Brian Sutter to me is like what the hockey must have been like just before my time. Sutter was the most skilled true Blue if that makes sense. The will that Brian Sutter had was the will that the St. Louis Blues had.
As my old North Count brother, "Moose" Cleveland said," Sutter can kick your (donkey) AND score 30 goals".
I agree, Seattle, Red7''s Old School list is the one. Bobby was an Ambassador, but there would not have been a Bobby worth mentioning... if it weren't for his big brother.
Red7 wrote: ↑21 Jul 2025 09:01 am
Brett Hull
Bernie Federko
Brian Sutter
Barclay Plager
replace sutter with unger and I'd agree
I have to disagree. I mean I love Unger, he was the first player as a kid who I identified and understood was an elite scorer. Brian Sutter to me is like what the hockey must have been like just before my time. Sutter was the most skilled true Blue if that makes sense. The will that Brian Sutter had was the will that the St. Louis Blues had.
As my old North Count brother, "Moose" Cleveland said," Sutter can kick your (donkey) AND score 30 goals".
I agree, Seattle, Red7''s Old School list is the one. Bobby was an Ambassador, but there would not have been a Bobby worth mentioning... if it weren't for his big brother.
you have to have a guy from the cup team on this list. it's a MUST. without it, it's just another franchise of great players who never got it done. Every player to play for the Blues was vindicated by the cup run that Army, Berube, ROR, and Lord Binner brought. Without those guys, we never seal the deal. And term does matter, so Army and Binner are the more clear distinctions. Binner, ESPECIALLY if he stays for another contract has to go down in history as he will have every goalie title for the foreseeable future that a Blues goalie will have to chase. To me if and once he crosses 200, it's a no brainer.
Red7 wrote: ↑21 Jul 2025 09:01 am
Brett Hull
Bernie Federko
Brian Sutter
Barclay Plager
replace sutter with unger and I'd agree
I have to disagree. I mean I love Unger, he was the first player as a kid who I identified and understood was an elite scorer. Brian Sutter to me is like what the hockey must have been like just before my time. Sutter was the most skilled true Blue if that makes sense. The will that Brian Sutter had was the will that the St. Louis Blues had.
As my old North Count brother, "Moose" Cleveland said," Sutter can kick your (donkey) AND score 30 goals".
I agree, Seattle, Red7''s Old School list is the one. Bobby was an Ambassador, but there would not have been a Bobby worth mentioning... if it weren't for his big brother.
you have to have a guy from the cup team on this list. it's a MUST. without it, it's just another franchise of great players who never got it done. Every player to play for the Blues was vindicated by the cup run that Army, Berube, ROR, and Lord Binner brought. Without those guys, we never seal the deal. And term does matter, so Army and Binner are the more clear distinctions. Binner, ESPECIALLY if he stays for another contract has to go down in history as he will have every goalie title for the foreseeable future that a Blues goalie will have to chase. To me if and once he crosses 200, it's a no brainer.
I hear that, but am loathe to pull any of the four on Red7’s list.
Who would you cut from his Rushmore?
Red7 wrote: ↑21 Jul 2025 09:01 am
Brett Hull
Bernie Federko
Brian Sutter
Barclay Plager
replace sutter with unger and I'd agree
I have to disagree. I mean I love Unger, he was the first player as a kid who I identified and understood was an elite scorer. Brian Sutter to me is like what the hockey must have been like just before my time. Sutter was the most skilled true Blue if that makes sense. The will that Brian Sutter had was the will that the St. Louis Blues had.
As my old North Count brother, "Moose" Cleveland said," Sutter can kick your (donkey) AND score 30 goals".
I agree, Seattle, Red7''s Old School list is the one. Bobby was an Ambassador, but there would not have been a Bobby worth mentioning... if it weren't for his big brother.
Also, lest anyone get the wrong idea about Unger, he was as tough as anyone who ever pulled the sweater on. He just didn't go looking for trouble quite as much as Brian Sutter did, to my recollection.
Walter Sobchak00 wrote: ↑21 Jul 2025 16:11 pm
To me a Mount Rushmore list is the best 4 long time members of whatever subject, in this case Blues players. While Plager is one of the most influential players to be a Blue he's not in the top 10 as far as "best player" let alone top 4.
Pronger
Hull
Federko
MacInnis
Solid reasoning, but I still think Binnington has to be up there. All time goalie leader in wins and brought us our only Cup. He goes in place of probably MacInnis.
In all honesty, limiting it to only 4 is a fool’s errand. We have a lot more that are deserving
I had Binnington over MacInnis at first but MacInnis is a HoF player, just couldn't leave him off for Binnington.