Anyone have a height concern when it comes to Liam Doyle?

[ramfandan]

I note that all of the top LH pitchers
are at least 6'4" in height.
Doyle checks in at 6'2".
Not sure that is a major issue or
not?
His release toward home plate
might be affected.
Seems like most great pitchers are taller.
Just curios what you all think.

6-2 doesn’t bother me. Pedro Martinez is 5-11 and in Hall of Fame.
Sonny Gray is 5-10 and has had a fine MLB career.

[HOUCARD]

Smallish lefties Billy Wagner and Ron Guidry come to mind.

[rockondlouie]

S. Gray
5'10"

G. Maddux/6'
P. Marinez/5'11"

If you can pitch, then height is meaningless.

At 6'2" Doyle is plenty tall enough w/a rocket arm, no issue whatsoever.

Thanks Rock.
Did you like the pick?
When you knew the Cards got Doyle,
were you surprised?
I think most had him mocked at #2
to the Angels.
We need some high-end pitching
and I know this kid is supposed to be
just that.
Hopefully, because lord knows dEwitt
won't be buying in FA.

Nope, I LOVE IT!!!!!!!

What this team has lacked for some time, sans the addition of S. Gray, is swing & miss STRIKEOUT starters!

After doing my homework on this kid he appears to be the gift C. Bloom was hoping for (I'd bet he had a lot of input w/R. Flores & Mo making this selection).

And you're right, the Halos did us a HUGE favor passing on him, they're getting slammed on many sites w/a "B" grade while the Cards are getting all "A's".

Spot on about BDWJr, he's not swimming in that end of the pool unless he gets a deal like he did w/Gray ($10M first season and only a three year deal).

Here's what's really exciting.

Unless Doyle is so good this spring and forces his way into the OD starting rotation he gets to develop under Bloom's tremendous pitcher player development system that's now fully in place (Re: Tampa system that still uses the program he created)!

Great pick, just stay healthy.

Hell yeah!!
That's what I want to hear.
That kid also brings a certain excitement
to the game, if you saw some of his highlights.
Not sure that will translate to MLB, but I love
the enthusiasm.
If he acts like that, we may need all members of
the 40 man to take MMA lessons.
Yeah, I hope Bloom is able to get the very best
from all our prospects.
We've been hurting for a long time on high end talent.

I did, love the energy and just hope they let him be himself!

He'll tone it down enough as to not agitate the other team but can still be animated, C. Carpenter certainly was and we all loved him.

And if anyone's dumb enough to charge the mound, he's got 245 lb WillyC just to his left and I would not want to run into him if I was a hitter.

[BrummerStealsHome]

I have a width concern.

[OldRed]

Sandy Koufax
Position: Pitcher

Bats: Right • Throws: Left

6'-2"

[StlMike1969]

I note that all of the top LH pitchers
are at least 6'4" in height.
Doyle checks in at 6'2".
Not sure that is a major issue or
not?
His release toward home plate
might be affected.
Seems like most great pitchers are taller.
Just curios what you all think.

Pedro Martinez is 5'11". He had a pretty good career.

Yep. One of the greatest ever.
So, maybe there isn't any ideal height.

That was kind of unsaid in my first post also. There are exceptions to every rule. of course there are going to be those guys that just have good genetics and great luck. They do not get hit with the injury bug, and are able to find their niche where they can excel. As I remember it, Pedro went undrafted and it was a standing exclamation from what I read how the guy was like built like a tank on his throwing shoulder. If there were a college pitcher that was say 5'10" that was known for having a nasty 3 pitch arsenal with pinpoint accuracy. I would take him all day long and twice on Sunday over other guys. Pitching is about throwing the ball where the bat is not. I would love to have lesser throwing guys that know how to paint the corners with different speeds. Less chance of injury and higher rates of success. 100 MPH is effective but will take a toll on the body. For the sake of drafting quantity for the hopes of 2 or 3 to make it, it just seems more logical to go with the bigger guys and try to find the diamonds in the rough through other means.

[rockondlouie]

I have a width concern.

We had a pitching coach who said he liked pitchers w/that "low center of gravity" (re: BELLY) because it helped them keep the ball down.

[Melville]

I note that all of the top LH pitchers
are at least 6'4" in height.
Doyle checks in at 6'2".
Not sure that is a major issue or
not?
His release toward home plate
might be affected.
Seems like most great pitchers are taller.
Just curios what you all think.

No.
Question.
Who is STL's best starter currently?

By the way, did you do an evaluation of
Doyle yet?
Curious what you thought and if that's
the pick you'd have made at #5.
Did the Angeles screw up, etc.?

Before the draft (in the pre-draft thread) I wanted STL to take Doyle or Arnold at 5 - whichever was available.
I thought one of them would be gone, leaving STL the other.
So yes, I think the Cardinals got the pick right.
As for the Angels...interesting strategy.
They will save money signing Bremner and Shores by picking them in the first 2 rounds well above projected slot....and then they picked HS prospects in rounds 3, 5, 6, 12, 13, 14, 15, 17, and 19.
Money saved in the first 2 rounds may allow them to overpay some of the high school talent and convince them to sign.
I would not say the Angels screwed up because they executed a specific strategy - but they may be second guessed a couple of years from now concerning the players they had a chance to pick and didn't.

In regard to the Angels, that's a different approach and I never
would have thought a team might do that!!
By the way, thanks for the input.
I genuinely enjoy your posts.
Seems like the Cards made the correct decision.
Most of the pundits liked the pick and everyone
here is happy.
We'll wait and see how it ultimately turns out,
but can't fault the front office for their choice.

In return, you are a high quality poster.

[Melville]

S. Gray
5'10"

G. Maddux/6'
P. Marinez/5'11"

If you can pitch, then height is meaningless.

At 6'2" Doyle is plenty tall enough w/a rocket arm, no issue whatsoever.

Thanks Rock.
Did you like the pick?
When you knew the Cards got Doyle,
were you surprised?
I think most had him mocked at #2
to the Angels.
We need some high-end pitching
and I know this kid is supposed to be
just that.
Hopefully, because lord knows dEwitt
won't be buying in FA.

Nope, I LOVE IT!!!!!!!

What this team has lacked for some time, sans the addition of S. Gray, is swing & miss STRIKEOUT starters!

After doing my homework on this kid he appears to be the gift C. Bloom was hoping for (I'd bet he had a lot of input w/R. Flores & Mo making this selection).

And you're right, the Halos did us a HUGE favor passing on him, they're getting slammed on many sites w/a "B" grade while the Cards are getting all "A's".

Spot on about BDWJr, he's not swimming in that end of the pool unless he gets a deal like he did w/Gray ($10M first season and only a three year deal).

Here's what's really exciting.

Unless Doyle is so good this spring and forces his way into the OD starting rotation he gets to develop under Bloom's tremendous pitcher player development system that's now fully in place (Re: Tampa system that still uses the program he created)!

Great pick, just stay healthy.

I like the "edginess" he can bring to the mix.
Gibson, The Mad Hungarian, One Tough Dominican, Carpenter, Gray.
They added something important above and beyond the numbers.
Perhaps Doyle will fit that mold as well.

[rockondlouie]

S. Gray
5'10"

G. Maddux/6'
P. Marinez/5'11"

If you can pitch, then height is meaningless.

At 6'2" Doyle is plenty tall enough w/a rocket arm, no issue whatsoever.

Thanks Rock.
Did you like the pick?
When you knew the Cards got Doyle,
were you surprised?
I think most had him mocked at #2
to the Angels.
We need some high-end pitching
and I know this kid is supposed to be
just that.
Hopefully, because lord knows dEwitt
won't be buying in FA.

Nope, I LOVE IT!!!!!!!

What this team has lacked for some time, sans the addition of S. Gray, is swing & miss STRIKEOUT starters!

After doing my homework on this kid he appears to be the gift C. Bloom was hoping for (I'd bet he had a lot of input w/R. Flores & Mo making this selection).

And you're right, the Halos did us a HUGE favor passing on him, they're getting slammed on many sites w/a "B" grade while the Cards are getting all "A's".

Spot on about BDWJr, he's not swimming in that end of the pool unless he gets a deal like he did w/Gray ($10M first season and only a three year deal).

Here's what's really exciting.

Unless Doyle is so good this spring and forces his way into the OD starting rotation he gets to develop under Bloom's tremendous pitcher player development system that's now fully in place (Re: Tampa system that still uses the program he created)!

Great pick, just stay healthy.

I like the "edginess" he can bring to the mix.
Gibson, The Mad Hungarian, One Tough Dominican, Carpenter, Gray.
They added something important above and beyond the numbers.
Perhaps Doyle will fit that mold as well.

[Quincy Varnish]

I note that all of the top LH pitchers
are at least 6'4" in height.

Shota Imanaga - 5’10”
Nestor Cortes - 5’10”
Framber Valdez - 5’11”
Andrew Abbott - 6’0”
Jesus Luzardo - 6’0”
Ranger Suarez - 6’1”
Mackenzie Gore - 6’2”
Robbie Ray - 6’2”
Carlos Rodon - 6’2”
Tarik Skubal - 6’3”

Yeah, there are a few with great success
even below 6'0".
I was just asking as I was thinking about
some of the best of the best and they
are generally taller.

It’s more than a few.

Koufax and Spahn already mentioned…

Ron Guidry - 5’11”
Fernando Valenzuela - 5’11”
Johan Santana - 6’0”
Vida Blue - 6’0”
Mike Cuellar - 6’0”
Tom Glavine - 6’0”
Carl Hubbell - 6’0”
Hal Newhouser - 6’2”
Jerry Koosman - 6’2”
Frank Tanana - 6’2”
Lefty Grove - 6’3”

[82birds]

Yankees drafted this guy in the 14th round:

Brennan Stuprich
RHP Southeastern Louisiana University

5' 10"
210 lb


Dodgers drafted this RHP out of Wake Forest in the 12th round:

Logan Lunceford
5' 10"
190 lb
(that's very similar to Sonny Gray)

[scoutyjones2]

I have a width concern.

That's what she said


Couldn't resist

[Bully4you]

I note that all of the top LH pitchers
are at least 6'4" in height.

Shota Imanaga - 5’10”
Nestor Cortes - 5’10”
Framber Valdez - 5’11”
Andrew Abbott - 6’0”
Jesus Luzardo - 6’0”
Ranger Suarez - 6’1”
Mackenzie Gore - 6’2”
Robbie Ray - 6’2”
Carlos Rodon - 6’2”
Tarik Skubal - 6’3”

Yeah, there are a few with great success
even below 6'0".
I was just asking as I was thinking about
some of the best of the best and they
are generally taller.

It’s more than a few.

Koufax and Spahn already mentioned…

Ron Guidry - 5’11”
Fernando Valenzuela - 5’11”
Johan Santana - 6’0”
Vida Blue - 6’0”
Mike Cuellar - 6’0”
Tom Glavine - 6’0”
Carl Hubbell - 6’0”
Hal Newhouser - 6’2”
Jerry Koosman - 6’2”
Frank Tanana - 6’2”
Lefty Grove - 6’3”

I meant the current crop of pitchers, not all time.

[sikeston bulldog2]

Seems most of the greats were all around 6 foot. Seems to be the norm. Most.

[rockondlouie]

Marcus Stroman/5'7"
Nestor Cortes/5'10"
Kirby Yates/5'10"
Johnny Cuteo/5'11"