GDT : MLB Draft (7/13-14) ~ 5:00pm CDT

[brock118]

Not sure if it was mentioned (there are 47 some pagers already, didn't have time to look through each) but we drafted all college players except for the 1 high school kid from Tennessee. I find that kind of strange that in 20 rounds we only took 1 high school kid. Was that on purpose or did it just work out that way. i can't remember us taking so few high school kids ever.

I'm not sure if it was on purpose, it just worked out that way. It helped having the Comp pick, that increased our funds allowed.

As for ever....last year, 1 HS pick at the end of the draft...he didn't sign. Same in 2023, last round, didn't sign. 2022, last round, didn't sign.

Since the draft shrunk to 20 rounds after CoVid, we have drafted, including this year, 7 HS kids....3 in 2021, and as said above, 1 every year after that.

On a side note ~ I wanted several HS players this year. I was hoping for 5-7 drafted, and realistically expecting only 4 to sign. We had the 8th most Bonus Pool this year. So we had money to spend. It didn't work out that way

Thats why youre here Cravi..good job!! I gueses i just noticed it until this year, but from your info it seems like an organizational trend to get players closer to the majors.

[hugeCardfan]

Not sure if it was mentioned (there are 47 some pagers already, didn't have time to look through each) but we drafted all college players except for the 1 high school kid from Tennessee. I find that kind of strange that in 20 rounds we only took 1 high school kid. Was that on purpose or did it just work out that way. i can't remember us taking so few high school kids ever.

A valid question. I think the Cards feel the need for some “catch up” particularly at pitching. The lower minors arms have been especially weak this year. College players project better…quicker. HS pitchers take a long time to develop.

Finding players with high floors likely appealed to the Cards this year.

I would imagine they will compensate on the young side with International draft.

[Melville]

With all the talk of a generational pick for cards, did they play it too safe, trying to make sure they didn’t completely miss? Hernandez would have been the swing for the fences pick…

Franklin is not an example of "playing it too safe".
He is a high risk / high reward lottery ticket.

I was referring to Doyle, with their generational hasn’t happened in 27 years drafting this early pick.

Got it.
I thought you were referring to the overall strategy.
Doyle was unquestionably a very good pick.
Given the general condition of pitching depth (more correctly, the last thereof) in the organization, and considering all the starting pitchers they will lose in the next 27 months, it would have been incredibly stupid to not pick a top college arm and instead draft a far bigger question mark who would not be ready to contribute for 5 years or so.

Hernandez and Doyle are 2 years apart at 19 and 21, both June birthdays. How is one 5 years away, and the other so close to ready?
Granted, 3 years of college is a big boost for LD, but given Hernandez's age and ability, he'd likely be in the bigs in 2 years or so, not 5.

Name the last high school pitcher who reached MLB within 2 years - and became a long term, highly effective, starter.
That would be a foolish timeline.
You are fully aware of that, so it is a little surprising to see you pretend otherwise.
There is a valid conversation to be had about the 2 picks - but claiming both are likely to be in MLB in 2 years is ridiculous.

I didn’t say HS players were a good risk. I challenged your stupid comparison with Doyle when they are 2 years apart.
If you weren’t ignorant you’d understand that.

Oh, by the way, here are some pitchers who were drafted out of HS and had some success: Kershaw, Gooden, Greinke, Bumgarner, Chris Carpenter, Roy Halladay, CC Sabathia, Josh Beckett, Cole Hamels, Matt Cain, Adam Wainwright, Kerry Wood, Catfish Hunter, J.R. Richard, Alex Fernandez, Steve Avery, Frank Tanana, Rick Rhoden, Rick Sutcliffe, Scott McGregor, Jon Matlack, Gary Nolan, Joe Coleman, Don Gullet, Bruce Hurst, Mike Morgan - and more.

Sorry to disappoint CP - but I don't get involved with silly back and forth nonsense - or dishonest attempts to change the conversation.
Not worth my time and I find it boring.
But being kind, patient, and generous by nature, I will give you a final opportunity to stay on point.
You: "given Hernandez's age and ability, he'd likely be in the bigs in 2 years or so.."
Me: "Name the last high school pitcher who reached MLB within 2 years - and became a long term, highly effective, starter."
My gracious invitation remains open - and unanswered.
Who is the last high school pitcher who was an effective starting rotation member within 2 years of draft day - give or take a few days or weeks?
Hernandez won't.
The Cardinals know that - which is why they picker Doyle.
I know that.
And, of course, you know that.
I can't quite figure out, however, why you pretend otherwise.
You really are smarter than this.

[Melville]

And a midget catcher rounds out the draft.

Bunch of 6-2 200+ pounders in this draft.

those guys have a lot of good balance in their deliveries....really consistent pitch to pitch. I haven't been this excited/intrigued by our pitching in a draft since 2021...the McGreevy, Granillo, Graceffo, Love, Baker, Mills draft....

we have a chance to get 4-6 pitchers in the majors with this draft....legit shot.

Great work in this thread - appreciated by many.
Draft day understandably creates exuberance in all sports - and unrealistic expectations.
The Cardinals drafted 12 pitchers.
Just 5 ranked in the top 500 prospects.
Expecting to hit on 4-6 of them is not reasonable.
On average, about 20% of drafted players appear in the majors (less for pitchers).
Only a fraction of those 20% become productive, long term regulars.
Realistically, if the Cardinals end up with 2 or 3 solid MLB pitchers from the draft, it will be a successful draft.
6 is nearly impossible.
4 would be exceedingly rare.
Love the optimism.
Allow me to temper it with realism.

[craviduce]

And a midget catcher rounds out the draft.

Bunch of 6-2 200+ pounders in this draft.

those guys have a lot of good balance in their deliveries....really consistent pitch to pitch. I haven't been this excited/intrigued by our pitching in a draft since 2021...the McGreevy, Granillo, Graceffo, Love, Baker, Mills draft....

we have a chance to get 4-6 pitchers in the majors with this draft....legit shot.

Great work in this thread - appreciated by many.
Draft day understandably creates exuberance in all sports - and unrealistic expectations.
The Cardinals drafted 12 pitchers.
Just 5 ranked in the top 500 prospects.
Expecting to hit on 4-6 of them is not reasonable.
On average, about 20% of drafted players appear in the majors (less for pitchers).
Only a fraction of those 20% become productive, long term regulars.
Realistically, if the Cardinals end up with 2 or 3 solid MLB pitchers from the draft, it will be a successful draft.
6 is nearly impossible.
4 would be exceedingly rare.
Love the optimism.
Allow me to temper it with realism.

It is optimistic, but I feel we have a Graceffo in the mix, and I know we have several Granillo's. Doyle is better than McGreevy...probably. He'll start in the majors, like McGreevy, but I don't expect the hiccup McGreevy experienced in AA/AAA to come with Doyle. McGreevy had to develop the cutter and better fourseamer. Doyle's velocity will alleviate that problem. The splitter, I pray is utilized much more. I hope he develops a cutter to foil RHB, if doesn't he's in a world of hurt...eventually. Change up would be nice , but the splitter will suffice....for now. Elite LHP have a change up that has the bottom fall out of it, hitters can't help but swing b/c they recognize it as the fastball.

I think we'll get 3-5 BP pitchers from this draft. I'm excited for the pitching future. Much better draft overall than anything before....since 2021.

2021, 2025, then 2022. are our best drafts since CoVid...in that order

So we'll agree to disagree.

[ClassicO]

With all the talk of a generational pick for cards, did they play it too safe, trying to make sure they didn’t completely miss? Hernandez would have been the swing for the fences pick…

Franklin is not an example of "playing it too safe".
He is a high risk / high reward lottery ticket.

I was referring to Doyle, with their generational hasn’t happened in 27 years drafting this early pick.

Got it.
I thought you were referring to the overall strategy.
Doyle was unquestionably a very good pick.
Given the general condition of pitching depth (more correctly, the last thereof) in the organization, and considering all the starting pitchers they will lose in the next 27 months, it would have been incredibly stupid to not pick a top college arm and instead draft a far bigger question mark who would not be ready to contribute for 5 years or so.

Hernandez and Doyle are 2 years apart at 19 and 21, both June birthdays. How is one 5 years away, and the other so close to ready?
Granted, 3 years of college is a big boost for LD, but given Hernandez's age and ability, he'd likely be in the bigs in 2 years or so, not 5.

Name the last high school pitcher who reached MLB within 2 years - and became a long term, highly effective, starter.
That would be a foolish timeline.
You are fully aware of that, so it is a little surprising to see you pretend otherwise.
There is a valid conversation to be had about the 2 picks - but claiming both are likely to be in MLB in 2 years is ridiculous.

I didn’t say HS players were a good risk. I challenged your stupid comparison with Doyle when they are 2 years apart.
If you weren’t ignorant you’d understand that.

Oh, by the way, here are some pitchers who were drafted out of HS and had some success: Kershaw, Gooden, Greinke, Bumgarner, Chris Carpenter, Roy Halladay, CC Sabathia, Josh Beckett, Cole Hamels, Matt Cain, Adam Wainwright, Kerry Wood, Catfish Hunter, J.R. Richard, Alex Fernandez, Steve Avery, Frank Tanana, Rick Rhoden, Rick Sutcliffe, Scott McGregor, Jon Matlack, Gary Nolan, Joe Coleman, Don Gullet, Bruce Hurst, Mike Morgan - and more.

Sorry to disappoint CP - but I don't get involved with silly back and forth nonsense - or dishonest attempts to change the conversation.
Not worth my time and I find it boring.
But being kind, patient, and generous by nature, I will give you a final opportunity to stay on point.
You: "given Hernandez's age and ability, he'd likely be in the bigs in 2 years or so.."
Me: "Name the last high school pitcher who reached MLB within 2 years - and became a long term, highly effective, starter."
My gracious invitation remains open - and unanswered.
Who is the last high school pitcher who was an effective starting rotation member within 2 years of draft day - give or take a few days or weeks?
Hernandez won't.
The Cardinals know that - which is why they picker Doyle.
I know that.
And, of course, you know that.
I can't quite figure out, however, why you pretend otherwise.
You really are smarter than this.

Maybe I was optimistic at "2 years or so," but you're saying he'll not be in the Bigs until he's 24? What age for Doyle then?
Your point was that Hernandez was not as good a pick as a guy only 2 years younger, because the HS kid may take more time to get to MLB. That point is invalid as it misses the point.

The point for the Cards, or any team, is to get the most productive years possible out of the pick, regardless of how long it may take. The pick's success is based on long-term success with the team, regardless of how many years it takes to get to the Bigs.
So that's why I would have taken Hernandez. And 5 years is fine if he has a better career with us than Doyle.
But then you said Dakota Hudson was a star who was the most irreplaceable player for the Cards, so with that record...

I also gave you 40 or so HS draftees with very successful careers (regardless of time to develop). Those were flukes? I don't think so.
Here are some more recent ones:
Max Fried, Blake Snell, Tanner Roark, Dylan Cease -- and again, there's more.

[Melville]

And a midget catcher rounds out the draft.

Bunch of 6-2 200+ pounders in this draft.

those guys have a lot of good balance in their deliveries....really consistent pitch to pitch. I haven't been this excited/intrigued by our pitching in a draft since 2021...the McGreevy, Granillo, Graceffo, Love, Baker, Mills draft....

we have a chance to get 4-6 pitchers in the majors with this draft....legit shot.

Great work in this thread - appreciated by many.
Draft day understandably creates exuberance in all sports - and unrealistic expectations.
The Cardinals drafted 12 pitchers.
Just 5 ranked in the top 500 prospects.
Expecting to hit on 4-6 of them is not reasonable.
On average, about 20% of drafted players appear in the majors (less for pitchers).
Only a fraction of those 20% become productive, long term regulars.
Realistically, if the Cardinals end up with 2 or 3 solid MLB pitchers from the draft, it will be a successful draft.
6 is nearly impossible.
4 would be exceedingly rare.
Love the optimism.
Allow me to temper it with realism.

It is optimistic, but I feel we have a Graceffo in the mix, and I know we have several Granillo's. Doyle is better than McGreevy...probably. He'll start in the majors, like McGreevy, but I don't expect the hiccup McGreevy experienced in AA/AAA to come with Doyle. McGreevy had to develop the cutter and better fourseamer. Doyle's velocity will alleviate that problem. The splitter, I pray is utilized much more. I hope he develops a cutter to foil RHB, if doesn't he's in a world of hurt...eventually. Change up would be nice , but the splitter will suffice....for now. Elite LHP have a change up that has the bottom fall out of it, hitters can't help but swing b/c they recognize it as the fastball.

I think we'll get 3-5 BP pitchers from this draft. I'm excited for the pitching future. Much better draft overall than anything before....since 2021.

2021, 2025, then 2022. are our best drafts since CoVid...in that order

So we'll agree to disagree.

I don't think we disagree - and I freely admit you know far more about this year's draft than I do.
I am merely citing the most probable outcome with pitchers.
Exceedingly difficult and rare to get more than 2 or 3 true MLB arms out of a single draft.
By the way, I agree Doyle is likely to have a higher ceiling than McGreevy - and I do like that pick in particular.

[Melville]

With all the talk of a generational pick for cards, did they play it too safe, trying to make sure they didn’t completely miss? Hernandez would have been the swing for the fences pick…

Franklin is not an example of "playing it too safe".
He is a high risk / high reward lottery ticket.

I was referring to Doyle, with their generational hasn’t happened in 27 years drafting this early pick.

Got it.
I thought you were referring to the overall strategy.
Doyle was unquestionably a very good pick.
Given the general condition of pitching depth (more correctly, the last thereof) in the organization, and considering all the starting pitchers they will lose in the next 27 months, it would have been incredibly stupid to not pick a top college arm and instead draft a far bigger question mark who would not be ready to contribute for 5 years or so.

Hernandez and Doyle are 2 years apart at 19 and 21, both June birthdays. How is one 5 years away, and the other so close to ready?
Granted, 3 years of college is a big boost for LD, but given Hernandez's age and ability, he'd likely be in the bigs in 2 years or so, not 5.

Name the last high school pitcher who reached MLB within 2 years - and became a long term, highly effective, starter.
That would be a foolish timeline.
You are fully aware of that, so it is a little surprising to see you pretend otherwise.
There is a valid conversation to be had about the 2 picks - but claiming both are likely to be in MLB in 2 years is ridiculous.

I didn’t say HS players were a good risk. I challenged your stupid comparison with Doyle when they are 2 years apart.
If you weren’t ignorant you’d understand that.

Oh, by the way, here are some pitchers who were drafted out of HS and had some success: Kershaw, Gooden, Greinke, Bumgarner, Chris Carpenter, Roy Halladay, CC Sabathia, Josh Beckett, Cole Hamels, Matt Cain, Adam Wainwright, Kerry Wood, Catfish Hunter, J.R. Richard, Alex Fernandez, Steve Avery, Frank Tanana, Rick Rhoden, Rick Sutcliffe, Scott McGregor, Jon Matlack, Gary Nolan, Joe Coleman, Don Gullet, Bruce Hurst, Mike Morgan - and more.

Sorry to disappoint CP - but I don't get involved with silly back and forth nonsense - or dishonest attempts to change the conversation.
Not worth my time and I find it boring.
But being kind, patient, and generous by nature, I will give you a final opportunity to stay on point.
You: "given Hernandez's age and ability, he'd likely be in the bigs in 2 years or so.."
Me: "Name the last high school pitcher who reached MLB within 2 years - and became a long term, highly effective, starter."
My gracious invitation remains open - and unanswered.
Who is the last high school pitcher who was an effective starting rotation member within 2 years of draft day - give or take a few days or weeks?
Hernandez won't.
The Cardinals know that - which is why they picker Doyle.
I know that.
And, of course, you know that.
I can't quite figure out, however, why you pretend otherwise.
You really are smarter than this.

Maybe I was optimistic at "2 years or so," but you're saying he'll not be in the Bigs until he's 24? What age for Doyle then?
Your point was that Hernandez was not as good a pick as a guy only 2 years younger, because the HS kid may take more time to get to MLB. That point is invalid as it misses the point.

The point for the Cards, or any team, is to get the most productive years possible out of the pick, regardless of how long it may take. The pick's success is based on long-term success with the team, regardless of how many years it takes to get to the Bigs.
So that's why I would have taken Hernandez. And 5 years is fine if he has a better career with us than Doyle.
But then you said Dakota Hudson was a star who was the most irreplaceable player for the Cards, so with that record...

I also gave you 40 or so HS draftees with very successful careers (regardless of time to develop). Those were flukes? I don't think so.
Here are some more recent ones:
Max Fried, Blake Snell, Tanner Roark, Dylan Cease -- and again, there's more.

We are not in disagreement now that you have retracted your 2 year claim with Hernandez.
At no point have I said that pitchers drafted from high school cannot succeed in MLB - so we are aligned on that.
All I have stated is that which is obviously true - given the pressing need STL will need for the rotation over the next 27 months, it is clear they wanted to pick a college starter with potential to be available by then.
Good chance Doyle will be - virtually no chance Hernandez would.
By the way, I was waiting for you to play the Josh Beckett card - that is the example I would have used.
Believe it took him a little less than 3 years to become a true MLB starting pitcher - and he was drafted out of HS.

[3dender]

@redbirdfarmhand posted the most interesting and hopeful tweet I saw of the Cards draft:

K/9 of Cardinal's draftees

Liam Doyle- 15.4
Tanner Franklin- 12.1
Cade Crossland- 11.1
Ethan Young- 11.8
Payton Graham- 12.6
Ty Van Dyke- 13.5
Kaden Echeman- 14.0
Jake Shelagowski- 13.8
Anthony Watts- 10.1
Alex Breckheimer- 9.4
Dylan Driessen- 12.9
Liam Best- 11.2

https://x.com/RedbirdFarmhand/status/19 ... V83eQ&s=19

[icon]

With all the talk of a generational pick for cards, did they play it too safe, trying to make sure they didn’t completely miss? Hernandez would have been the swing for the fences pick…

Franklin is not an example of "playing it too safe".
He is a high risk / high reward lottery ticket.

I was referring to Doyle, with their generational hasn’t happened in 27 years drafting this early pick.

Got it.
I thought you were referring to the overall strategy.
Doyle was unquestionably a very good pick.
Given the general condition of pitching depth (more correctly, the last thereof) in the organization, and considering all the starting pitchers they will lose in the next 27 months, it would have been incredibly stupid to not pick a top college arm and instead draft a far bigger question mark who would not be ready to contribute for 5 years or so.

Hernandez and Doyle are 2 years apart at 19 and 21, both June birthdays. How is one 5 years away, and the other so close to ready?
Granted, 3 years of college is a big boost for LD, but given Hernandez's age and ability, he'd likely be in the bigs in 2 years or so, not 5.

Name the last high school pitcher who reached MLB within 2 years - and became a long term, highly effective, starter.
That would be a foolish timeline.
You are fully aware of that, so it is a little surprising to see you pretend otherwise.
There is a valid conversation to be had about the 2 picks - but claiming both are likely to be in MLB in 2 years is ridiculous.

I didn’t say HS players were a good risk. I challenged your stupid comparison with Doyle when they are 2 years apart.
If you weren’t ignorant you’d understand that.

Oh, by the way, here are some pitchers who were drafted out of HS and had some success: Kershaw, Gooden, Greinke, Bumgarner, Chris Carpenter, Roy Halladay, CC Sabathia, Josh Beckett, Cole Hamels, Matt Cain, Adam Wainwright, Kerry Wood, Catfish Hunter, J.R. Richard, Alex Fernandez, Steve Avery, Frank Tanana, Rick Rhoden, Rick Sutcliffe, Scott McGregor, Jon Matlack, Gary Nolan, Joe Coleman, Don Gullet, Bruce Hurst, Mike Morgan - and more.

Sorry to disappoint CP - but I don't get involved with silly back and forth nonsense - or dishonest attempts to change the conversation.
Not worth my time and I find it boring.
But being kind, patient, and generous by nature, I will give you a final opportunity to stay on point.
You: "given Hernandez's age and ability, he'd likely be in the bigs in 2 years or so.."
Me: "Name the last high school pitcher who reached MLB within 2 years - and became a long term, highly effective, starter."
My gracious invitation remains open - and unanswered.
Who is the last high school pitcher who was an effective starting rotation member within 2 years of draft day - give or take a few days or weeks?
Hernandez won't.
The Cardinals know that - which is why they picker Doyle.
I know that.
And, of course, you know that.
I can't quite figure out, however, why you pretend otherwise.
You really are smarter than this.

Maybe I was optimistic at "2 years or so," but you're saying he'll not be in the Bigs until he's 24? What age for Doyle then?
Your point was that Hernandez was not as good a pick as a guy only 2 years younger, because the HS kid may take more time to get to MLB. That point is invalid as it misses the point.

The point for the Cards, or any team, is to get the most productive years possible out of the pick, regardless of how long it may take. The pick's success is based on long-term success with the team, regardless of how many years it takes to get to the Bigs.
So that's why I would have taken Hernandez. And 5 years is fine if he has a better career with us than Doyle.
But then you said Dakota Hudson was a star who was the most irreplaceable player for the Cards, so with that record...

I also gave you 40 or so HS draftees with very successful careers (regardless of time to develop). Those were flukes? I don't think so.
Here are some more recent ones:
Max Fried, Blake Snell, Tanner Roark, Dylan Cease -- and again, there's more.

We are not in disagreement now that you have retracted your 2 year claim with Hernandez.
At no point have I said that pitchers drafted from high school cannot succeed in MLB - so we are aligned on that.
All I have stated is that which is obviously true - given the pressing need STL will need for the rotation over the next 27 months, it is clear they wanted to pick a college starter with potential to be available by then.
Good chance Doyle will be - virtually no chance Hernandez would.
By the way, I was waiting for you to play the Josh Beckett card - that is the example I would have used.
Believe it took him a little less than 3 years to become a true MLB starting pitcher - and he was drafted out of HS.

I would play the Joe Nuxhall or Vida Blue card.

[StlMike1969]

I really believe that to select a HS player in the draft if for legit development to be a player and not a cost cutting move, old school scouting needs to happen. Some ex player/coach scout driving to po dunk middle America. Staying in cheap motels and Denny's meals. Interviewing the HS coach. watching some games, meeting mom and dad and just getting a real sense of what of the kid wants to do. Being able to walk back in the office with a report to the upper management that he will 100% sign and has the tools to persevere through the hardships of the minors. Otherwise what's the point? Out of the thousands of players each year available the team gets only 20 picks to get guys into the system as others wash out. You want it to be filled with real talent that is ready to take the next step. You don't want a bunch of sniveling, slackers that drag down others around them and not serious about being an MLB player one day.

College guys are the way to go, they have no more options left. Either they make it as a pro or move on to another career choice. They have played to elevated skill levels and received elevated coaching. They have had a chance to make a little money in some cases, seen the real world after HS and had a chance to play with some girlies. Good interviews on those guys and film work will help make choices. Glad the Cards went pitcher heavy. Pitching is the name of the game and the way arms blow out these days best to have options. They can acquire hitters through trades, minors free agency and what not.

[RunSup]

@redbirdfarmhand posted the most interesting and hopeful tweet I saw of the Cards draft:

K/9 of Cardinal's draftees

Liam Doyle- 15.4
Tanner Franklin- 12.1
Cade Crossland- 11.1
Ethan Young- 11.8
Payton Graham- 12.6
Ty Van Dyke- 13.5
Kaden Echeman- 14.0
Jake Shelagowski- 13.8
Anthony Watts- 10.1
Alex Breckheimer- 9.4
Dylan Driessen- 12.9
Liam Best- 11.2

https://x.com/RedbirdFarmhand/status/19 ... V83eQ&s=19

Interesting profile of a Cardinals pitcher moving forward? Any stats on what previous drafts looked like?

Since Jamie Arnold is who Liam Doyle will be compared to in coming years, ... Arnold had a 12.7 K/9 rate in college this year.

Seth Hernandez will be the other pitcher that CT will covet in coming years. Here's hoping Doyle makes us forget the other 2.

[butsir01]

@redbirdfarmhand posted the most interesting and hopeful tweet I saw of the Cards draft:

K/9 of Cardinal's draftees

Liam Doyle- 15.4
Tanner Franklin- 12.1
Cade Crossland- 11.1
Ethan Young- 11.8
Payton Graham- 12.6
Ty Van Dyke- 13.5
Kaden Echeman- 14.0
Jake Shelagowski- 13.8
Anthony Watts- 10.1
Alex Breckheimer- 9.4
Dylan Driessen- 12.9
Liam Best- 11.2

https://x.com/RedbirdFarmhand/status/19 ... V83eQ&s=19

Interesting profile of a Cardinals pitcher moving forward? Any stats on what previous drafts looked like?

Since Jamie Arnold is who Liam Doyle will be compared to in coming years, ... Arnold had a 12.7 K/9 rate in college this year.

Seth Hernandez will be the other pitcher that CT will covet in coming years. Here's hoping Doyle makes us forget the other 2.

Even when something turns out well for the team, CT never forgets. It may reconstruct, but it never firgets.

[RunSup]

@redbirdfarmhand posted the most interesting and hopeful tweet I saw of the Cards draft:

K/9 of Cardinal's draftees

Liam Doyle- 15.4
Tanner Franklin- 12.1
Cade Crossland- 11.1
Ethan Young- 11.8
Payton Graham- 12.6
Ty Van Dyke- 13.5
Kaden Echeman- 14.0
Jake Shelagowski- 13.8
Anthony Watts- 10.1
Alex Breckheimer- 9.4
Dylan Driessen- 12.9
Liam Best- 11.2

https://x.com/RedbirdFarmhand/status/19 ... V83eQ&s=19

Interesting profile of a Cardinals pitcher moving forward? Any stats on what previous drafts looked like?

Since Jamie Arnold is who Liam Doyle will be compared to in coming years, ... Arnold had a 12.7 K/9 rate in college this year.

Seth Hernandez will be the other pitcher that CT will covet in coming years. Here's hoping Doyle makes us forget the other 2.

Even when something turns out well for the team, CT never forgets. It may reconstruct, but it never firgets.

CT is like a herd of elephants. But I suspect elephants are more forgiving.

CT is more like a murder of crows. CT never forgets and never forgives. We also like shiny things.

[TomTreebow]

In this interview (https://youtu.be/qGSMisYH0Og it's within the first 5 minutes or so) Mitchell mentions the Cardinals had a CF on their board higher than him that "went to the Athletics at 43" - pick 43 was the Marlins taking Cam Cannarella so I assume that's who it was, it could have been Devin Taylor going to the Athletics at 48, as well. Just an interesting note out of the draft. I only listened to the first 10 minutes or so but it's a great interview with him. The host is a little grating, but Mitchell is a very interesting guy. Really hope he pans out and he was one of the guys I was really hoping for in round 2+ so I was very happy with the pick.

[craviduce]

maybe I missed something there was zero signings reported from 4-5pm EDT....that's the time they're all usually reported. Was there a moratorium today that I missed?