GDT : MLB Draft (7/13-14) ~ 5:00pm CDT

[Talkin' Baseball]

And a midget catcher rounds out the draft.

Bunch of 6-2 200+ pounders in this draft.

those guys have a lot of good balance in their deliveries....really consistent pitch to pitch. I haven't been this excited/intrigued by our pitching in a draft since 2021...the McGreevy, Granillo, Graceffo, Love, Baker, Mills draft....

we have a chance to get 4-6 pitchers in the majors with this draft....legit shot.

It's just obvious that there are more voices and smarter voices in the room now. If the Cardinals could start stacking up good decisions from the front office- have a good draft, have a good deadline, have a good offseason, have a good international signing period- the fans confidence would be restored sooner than later. It was a good draft and portends of better things to come.

[kyace]

And a midget catcher rounds out the draft.

Bunch of 6-2 200+ pounders in this draft.

those guys have a lot of good balance in their deliveries....really consistent pitch to pitch. I haven't been this excited/intrigued by our pitching in a draft since 2021...the McGreevy, Granillo, Graceffo, Love, Baker, Mills draft....

we have a chance to get 4-6 pitchers in the majors with this draft....legit shot.

Pointed this out in another thread. This is the Seattle theory in drafting pitchers. We see Bloom’s hires influence.

[Strummer Jones]

Just playing catch up here. Been moving places all day, and it was a slog.

I like the Jalin Flores pick. Saw him play against Mizzou. Take it for what it's worth, but he looked like a ballplayer. I could see him being the Brendan Donovan/Tommy Edman/token Cardinals Scrappy Utility Guy. Seemed very professional.

[82birds]

And a midget catcher rounds out the draft.

Bunch of 6-2 200+ pounders in this draft.

those guys have a lot of good balance in their deliveries....really consistent pitch to pitch. I haven't been this excited/intrigued by our pitching in a draft since 2021...the McGreevy, Granillo, Graceffo, Love, Baker, Mills draft....

we have a chance to get 4-6 pitchers in the majors with this draft....legit shot.

It's just obvious that there are more voices and smarter voices in the room now. If the Cardinals could start stacking up good decisions from the front office- have a good draft, have a good deadline, have a good offseason, have a good international signing period- the fans confidence would be restored sooner than later. It was a good draft and portends of better things to come.

very well said Talkin' Baseball

[RunSup]

Cardinals, with their 20th pick, select ~ Chase Heath, Central Missouri, Catcher ...5'10"

and all that's left now is to see who takes home the title Mr. Irrelevant

and Mr. Irrelevant is Shane Brinham, a HS RHP from Canada going to the Dodgers

And watch them make the 17 year old relevant. C'mon kid, go to college. BAs report

Full name
Shane Brinham
Born
08/13/2007 in
Profile
Ht.: 6'1" / Wt.: 175 / Bats: R / Throws: L
Top Rankings

Draft Prospects


Ranked #480 prospect in 2025 draft
School: Hansworth SS, North Vancouver, B.C. Drafted/Committed: Michigan
Age At Draft: 17.9

Brinham is a double-projection lefthander with a 6-foot-1, 175-pound frame who made strides with both his strikes and fastball velocity in 2025. After pitching in the upper 80s and touching 91 mph in 2024 with scattered strikes, Brinham has pushed his fastball into the 88-90 mph range and touched 93 in 2025 with more precision. His secondaries are fringy now and require plenty of projection, but he has shown some flashes of a quality breaking ball in the mid 70s and a changeup in the low 80s. Brinham moves well on the mound with a compact arm action and three-quarter slot. He could make some big strides by adding a bit more strength in the future. The Canadian native is committed to Michigan and will still be 17 on draft day.

[tyoung12290]

2024 I liked JJ obviously then Duke and Findlay.
2025. (bleep) near the whole class minus weingartner and datallo

[82birds]

try this on for size:
we're only two weeks away from the trade deadline.

[RunSup]

No other BA scouting reports in the remaining picks.

Thanks everyone for the great threads and sharing draft day.

thank you for everything, RunSup.....you're the MVP

Nah you and the other guys are. 6 to 8 months of scouting and discussion. I just cheated. BA gets me every year at this time.

[Melville]

With all the talk of a generational pick for cards, did they play it too safe, trying to make sure they didn’t completely miss? Hernandez would have been the swing for the fences pick…

Franklin is not an example of "playing it too safe".
He is a high risk / high reward lottery ticket.

I was referring to Doyle, with their generational hasn’t happened in 27 years drafting this early pick.

Got it.
I thought you were referring to the overall strategy.
Doyle was unquestionably a very good pick.
Given the general condition of pitching depth (more correctly, the last thereof) in the organization, and considering all the starting pitchers they will lose in the next 27 months, it would have been incredibly stupid to not pick a top college arm and instead draft a far bigger question mark who would not be ready to contribute for 5 years or so.

Hernandez and Doyle are 2 years apart at 19 and 21, both June birthdays. How is one 5 years away, and the other so close to ready?
Granted, 3 years of college is a big boost for LD, but given Hernandez's age and ability, he'd likely be in the bigs in 2 years or so, not 5.

Name the last high school pitcher who reached MLB within 2 years - and became a long term, highly effective, starter.
That would be a foolish timeline.
You are fully aware of that, so it is a little surprising to see you pretend otherwise.
There is a valid conversation to be had about the 2 picks - but claiming both are likely to be in MLB in 2 years is ridiculous.

[imetsatchelpaige]

As I posted in another thread...

imetsatchelpaige wrote: ↑14 Jul 2025 11:01 am
All right, my friends, answer this question: how many major league players have made the jump from high school or college directly to the majors? Second question: how many of them were pitchers?
Go ahead-I’m listening.

G. Crochett
R. Johnson (Angels , Not the Big Unit)

Also
M. Leake
J. Abbott
D. Dreifort
M. Morgan
T. Conroy

I don't think S. Koufax played minor league ball, neither did D. Winfield, B. Horner, P. Incavelia or J. Olerud.

And who can forget D. Clyde!
OK-interesting.
Just for fun, I pulled 4 of those names at random and looked at lifetime stats.
Ready??

Johnson: 2025 rookie stats: 1-1 7.36 ERA
Dreifort: 48-60 4.36 ERA (10 seasons)
Conroy: 18-32 -2.6 WAR
Morgan: 141-186 4.32 ERA

Any more questions on the wisdom of rookie pitchers skipping A/AA/AAA?

[ClassicO]

With all the talk of a generational pick for cards, did they play it too safe, trying to make sure they didn’t completely miss? Hernandez would have been the swing for the fences pick…

Franklin is not an example of "playing it too safe".
He is a high risk / high reward lottery ticket.

I was referring to Doyle, with their generational hasn’t happened in 27 years drafting this early pick.

Got it.
I thought you were referring to the overall strategy.
Doyle was unquestionably a very good pick.
Given the general condition of pitching depth (more correctly, the last thereof) in the organization, and considering all the starting pitchers they will lose in the next 27 months, it would have been incredibly stupid to not pick a top college arm and instead draft a far bigger question mark who would not be ready to contribute for 5 years or so.

Hernandez and Doyle are 2 years apart at 19 and 21, both June birthdays. How is one 5 years away, and the other so close to ready?
Granted, 3 years of college is a big boost for LD, but given Hernandez's age and ability, he'd likely be in the bigs in 2 years or so, not 5.

Name the last high school pitcher who reached MLB within 2 years - and became a long term, highly effective, starter.
That would be a foolish timeline.
You are fully aware of that, so it is a little surprising to see you pretend otherwise.
There is a valid conversation to be had about the 2 picks - but claiming both are likely to be in MLB in 2 years is ridiculous.

I didn’t say HS players were a good risk. I challenged your stupid comparison with Doyle when they are 2 years apart.
If you weren’t ignorant you’d understand that.

[brock118]

Not sure if it was mentioned (there are 47 some pagers already, didn't have time to look through each) but we drafted all college players except for the 1 high school kid from Tennessee. I find that kind of strange that in 20 rounds we only took 1 high school kid. Was that on purpose or did it just work out that way. i can't remember us taking so few high school kids ever.

[Ronnie Dobbs]

A lot of big arms.

[craviduce]

Not sure if it was mentioned (there are 47 some pagers already, didn't have time to look through each) but we drafted all college players except for the 1 high school kid from Tennessee. I find that kind of strange that in 20 rounds we only took 1 high school kid. Was that on purpose or did it just work out that way. i can't remember us taking so few high school kids ever.

I'm not sure if it was on purpose, it just worked out that way. It helped having the Comp pick, that increased our funds allowed.

As for ever....last year, 1 HS pick at the end of the draft...he didn't sign. Same in 2023, last round, didn't sign. 2022, last round, didn't sign.

Since the draft shrunk to 20 rounds after CoVid, we have drafted, including this year, 7 HS kids....3 in 2021, and as said above, 1 every year after that.

On a side note ~ I wanted several HS players this year. I was hoping for 5-7 drafted, and realistically expecting only 4 to sign. We had the 8th most Bonus Pool this year. So we had money to spend. It didn't work out that way

[ClassicO]

With all the talk of a generational pick for cards, did they play it too safe, trying to make sure they didn’t completely miss? Hernandez would have been the swing for the fences pick…

Franklin is not an example of "playing it too safe".
He is a high risk / high reward lottery ticket.

I was referring to Doyle, with their generational hasn’t happened in 27 years drafting this early pick.

Got it.
I thought you were referring to the overall strategy.
Doyle was unquestionably a very good pick.
Given the general condition of pitching depth (more correctly, the last thereof) in the organization, and considering all the starting pitchers they will lose in the next 27 months, it would have been incredibly stupid to not pick a top college arm and instead draft a far bigger question mark who would not be ready to contribute for 5 years or so.

Hernandez and Doyle are 2 years apart at 19 and 21, both June birthdays. How is one 5 years away, and the other so close to ready?
Granted, 3 years of college is a big boost for LD, but given Hernandez's age and ability, he'd likely be in the bigs in 2 years or so, not 5.

Name the last high school pitcher who reached MLB within 2 years - and became a long term, highly effective, starter.
That would be a foolish timeline.
You are fully aware of that, so it is a little surprising to see you pretend otherwise.
There is a valid conversation to be had about the 2 picks - but claiming both are likely to be in MLB in 2 years is ridiculous.

I didn’t say HS players were a good risk. I challenged your stupid comparison with Doyle when they are 2 years apart.
If you weren’t ignorant you’d understand that.

Oh, by the way, here are some pitchers who were drafted out of HS and had some success: Kershaw, Gooden, Greinke, Bumgarner, Chris Carpenter, Roy Halladay, CC Sabathia, Josh Beckett, Cole Hamels, Matt Cain, Adam Wainwright, Kerry Wood, Catfish Hunter, J.R. Richard, Alex Fernandez, Steve Avery, Frank Tanana, Rick Rhoden, Rick Sutcliffe, Scott McGregor, Jon Matlack, Gary Nolan, Joe Coleman, Don Gullet, Bruce Hurst, Mike Morgan - and more.

[imetsatchelpaige]

I will hear no more of this “midget” talk.
He’s a hobbit, dam it.