Missing basics of baseball

[Basil Shabazz]

This was one of the 40 or so games that TLR used to discuss where management, fundamentals, and other factors make the difference between winning and losing.

Oli doesn't seem to have a positive record in games that seem like they could go either way.

[Bad14]

Noot bunts runner to 2nd in 9th with no out and we atleast tie Pirates.
Tired of players that can’t do the basics as they and managers just give games away.
The 13 runners left in scoring position didn’t help either!

So many question:

How did the manager give the game away?

Have you seen major Leaguers inability to bunt?

Even if the runner gets moved to 2nd, no guarantees he scores?

Did you watch the game?

Not an Oli fan but he never batted

[bccardsfan]

The inability to hit not one but two sac flies is what cost them the game, whereas the Pirates were able to get their sac fly.

Cards blew a game where Pallante outdueled Skenes.

Wasted effort.

Yes, and they also ran themselves out of an inning. They played poor fundamental ball and when you do that.... it costs you in most games. They need to tighten up the ship. Also, by using Fermin as the DH that limited your ability to use Nado in a key spot for an AB. I would also have used Pozo earlier for Pages to get the sac fly (if my memory of the game is correct). Pages has gone quite cold with the bat, and Pozo is hot. You need contact and a medium fly. Pozo gives you a much better chance and he is not a terrible catcher in the field. Whatever... poor execution on many fronts cost them a 1 run game.

Re:
Manager

Oh, I agree. Marmol has improved marginally, but he still a very poor tactician, and I'm being polite. He just has no feel for the game. Unless I am remembering incorrectly, I would have bad at Pozo for that sac fly earlier in the game. Pages had his little hot streak, but it's over, and he's a 220 hitter who strikes out. Pozo would have had a much better chance to hit a medium to deep fly, or at least make contact. When I saw that Fermin was the DH, I thought that could limit options later in the game if you didn't want to lose the DH spot. I understand that Nado needed a day off, but he could have swung the bat in a key spot late in the game. Whatever. Donnie is the latest in a series of base running blunders lately. Oli needs to tighten up the ship

[rockondlouie]

The inability to hit not one but two sac flies is what cost them the game, whereas the Pirates were able to get their sac fly.

Cards blew a game where Pallante outdueled Skenes.

Wasted effort.

Yes, and they also ran themselves out of an inning. They played poor fundamental ball and when you do that.... it costs you in most games. They need to tighten up the ship. Also, by using Fermin as the DH that limited your ability to use Nado in a key spot for an AB. I would also have used Pozo earlier for Pages to get the sac fly (if my memory of the game is correct). Pages has gone quite cold with the bat, and Pozo is hot. You need contact and a medium fly. Pozo gives you a much better chance and he is not a terrible catcher in the field. Whatever... poor execution on many fronts cost them a 1 run game.

Re:
Manager

Oh, I agree. Marmol has improved marginally, but he still a very poor tactician, and I'm being polite. He just has no feel for the game. Unless I am remembering incorrectly, I would have bad at Pozo for that sac fly earlier in the game. Pages had his little hot streak, but it's over, and he's a 220 hitter who strikes out. Pozo would have had a much better chance to hit a medium to deep fly, or at least make contact. When I saw that Fermin was the DH, I thought that could limit options later in the game if you didn't want to lose the DH spot. I understand that Nado needed a day off, but he could have swung the bat in a key spot late in the game. Whatever. Donnie is the latest in a series of base running blunders lately. Oli needs to tighten up the ship

I've said since his hiring Oli has a minor league managers mindset.

He see's his job as developing players, not winning ball games (oh sure he wants to win...Dah....but he's still seems too happy after loses talking about the "positives" reverting back to his minor league manager days where seeing a young players improvements is a "win").

[scoutyjones2]

Yes bat POZO earlier in the 7th and WillyCon left the game in the 4th after Skenes nailed him. Nado is out with a jammed finger. LOL

So if POZO got hurt, who catches the 7th and 8th?

Horrible Thursday morning quarterbacking.

[ScotchMIrish]

Noot bunts runner to 2nd in 9th with no out and we atleast tie Pirates.
Tired of players that can’t do the basics as they and managers just give games away.
The 13 runners left in scoring position didn’t help either!

In 2021 Wainwright had 17 successful sacrifice bunts. He was old school non-analytics. Analytics has a place but learning the game still has a place.

[bluecard04]

Scoutyjones2
Sorry I didn't read your reply until today and yes I did watch the game.
If Noot successfully bunts the runner over (or even attempts) the next batter did hit the ball to left field and made it to 2nd.
This tells me that runner who should have been bunted over to 2nd would have scored to tie 1-1.
Shoulda Coulda Woulda.....either way that is the managers call to have Noot at least try to move tieing run into scoring position by bunting.
Enjoy your day!!!

[scoutyjones2]

Noot bunts runner to 2nd in 9th with no out and we atleast tie Pirates.
Tired of players that can’t do the basics as they and managers just give games away.
The 13 runners left in scoring position didn’t help either!

Managers? There one manager. Players aren't performing. Team is basically and average team when it comes to hitting and a below average pitching team.

[scoutyjones2]

Noot bunts runner to 2nd in 9th with no out and we atleast tie Pirates.
Tired of players that can’t do the basics as they and managers just give games away.
The 13 runners left in scoring position didn’t help either!

In 2021 Wainwright had 17 successful sacrifice bunts. He was old school non-analytics. Analytics has a place but learning the game still has a place.

LoL. He's a pitcher, not a hitter. Hitters practice hitting. But that doesn't mean the lesser players with some speed, shouldn't learn the art

[scoutyjones2]

Scoutyjones2
Sorry I didn't read your reply until today and yes I did watch the game.
If Noot successfully bunts the runner over (or even attempts) the next batter did hit the ball to left field and made it to 2nd.
This tells me that runner who should have been bunted over to 2nd would have scored to tie 1-1.
Shoulda Coulda Woulda.....either way that is the managers call to have Noot at least try to move tieing run into scoring position by bunting.
Enjoy your day!!!

It's up to the batter to hit a sac fly. And if you reverse time and what happens, you can't ensure subsequent plays still happen..
I don't even know what game you're referring to anymore

[ScotchMIrish]

Noot bunts runner to 2nd in 9th with no out and we atleast tie Pirates.
Tired of players that can’t do the basics as they and managers just give games away.
The 13 runners left in scoring position didn’t help either!

In 2021 Wainwright had 17 successful sacrifice bunts. He was old school non-analytics. Analytics has a place but learning the game still has a place.

LoL. He's a pitcher, not a hitter. Hitters practice hitting. But that doesn't mean the lesser players with some speed, shouldn't learn the art

Decades ago when I showed up early the teams were taking infield and batting practice and one of the things the practiced while taking infield was bunting.

[scoutyjones2]

Noot bunts runner to 2nd in 9th with no out and we atleast tie Pirates.
Tired of players that can’t do the basics as they and managers just give games away.
The 13 runners left in scoring position didn’t help either!

In 2021 Wainwright had 17 successful sacrifice bunts. He was old school non-analytics. Analytics has a place but learning the game still has a place.

LoL. He's a pitcher, not a hitter. Hitters practice hitting. But that doesn't mean the lesser players with some speed, shouldn't learn the art

Decades ago when I showed up early the teams were taking infield and batting practice and one of the things the practiced while taking infield was bunting.

Decades ago.

There you go. It's a lost art and a losers bet to do bunting for the most part. But, as I noted, some players like Argo, would benefit greatly
Hell, if Siani too