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Re: It's time to admit

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OldRed wrote: 07 Jul 2025 08:45 am
Melville wrote: 07 Jul 2025 08:43 am
Eyelids64 wrote: 07 Jul 2025 08:39 am To be very honest we knew coming out of Spring Training this ball club was offensively weak. The hope was pitching would save the day. They have not. Just exactly the team that was gathered in Florida.
It is not the roster.
It is the leadership.
Super Slo Mo and The Marmot have made some very stupid decisions.
Disagree, it is the roster and lack of talent.
Does the team desperately need a RH bat and a young quality starter?
Yes - of course.
That has been true for years.
But that does not change the fact that this seasons Super Slo Mo and The Marmot put Mikolas in the rotation when McGreevy was clearly the best starter during spring training.
And, they both insisted that Lars The Human Sushi-baar was an elite core player rather than a 4th outfielder platoon player (as I correctly analyzed for the past 4 years) - and have foolishly given him more PA's than any other Cardinal.
And, it took them 3 years to realize Herrera will never be a suitable MLB starting catcher (I realized that within his first 30 days at the MLB level) - and wasted the opportunity to repurpose his bat at another position.
And, they essentially benched Gorman, the only elite power bat on the entire team for the first 2 months of the season - until injuries forced them to play him, at which time he immediately went on a tear.
And, they went into the season with no plan at all as to how to best use Burleson - who has been the most consistent hitter on the team.
Meanwhile, they have given 336 PA's to a guy they don't even want on the team.
One blunder after another - and this is far from a complete list.
And yet the team still has a winning record - meaning that while the talent level needs improvement, it is NOT nearly as big an issue as the "leadership" is.
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rockondlouie wrote: 07 Jul 2025 11:04 am
Goldfan wrote: 07 Jul 2025 10:40 am
BrockFloodMaris wrote: 07 Jul 2025 10:38 am
rockondlouie wrote: 07 Jul 2025 08:45 am Been that way since Goldy & NADO started their decline, no star players.

S. Gray was a high quality add as was Maton, WillyC has been solid, Libby shows promise and Helsley is a solid closer.

Behind that you've got some good, complimentary players like Donny, Winn and Burleson who need to be your fifth-seventh best position players if you want to be a true WS contender.
Rock, this is the most accurate take I've read on CT for a while. Putting those complimentary players into higher leverage spots in the order overexposes them to MLB's best pitchers.
And everyone with half a brain knows this….BUT they NEEDED to give the YUTES a full year to show again that they’re just JAGS. Old man Dewitts must think he has unlimited time on this earth …..waste ANOTHER YEAR
This "re-set/runway" is nothing but a HUGE SCAM, as I pointed out when they first floated this c r a p.

BDWJr knew his attendance was going to tank this season so either he or his PR department came up with this ruse.

There is NO "re-set/runway" this season!

If there was, then M. McGreevy would've been here all season..............N. Gorman would've been playing every game............M. Mikolas would've been DFA'd......ect.........

It's a SCAM perpetrated by Dewitt and one that's very easy to see.
+1,000,000....DeTwit sends out Mo-ran to bull[shirt] about this being a reset year and looking at the kids and they continue to let Mikolas and Fedde.waste starts...DeTwit was hoping the fans would be like the front office (donkey) kissers on here who will support him over the team.
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WLTFE wrote: 07 Jul 2025 13:52 pm
rockondlouie wrote: 07 Jul 2025 11:04 am
Goldfan wrote: 07 Jul 2025 10:40 am
BrockFloodMaris wrote: 07 Jul 2025 10:38 am
rockondlouie wrote: 07 Jul 2025 08:45 am Been that way since Goldy & NADO started their decline, no star players.

S. Gray was a high quality add as was Maton, WillyC has been solid, Libby shows promise and Helsley is a solid closer.

Behind that you've got some good, complimentary players like Donny, Winn and Burleson who need to be your fifth-seventh best position players if you want to be a true WS contender.
Rock, this is the most accurate take I've read on CT for a while. Putting those complimentary players into higher leverage spots in the order overexposes them to MLB's best pitchers.
And everyone with half a brain knows this….BUT they NEEDED to give the YUTES a full year to show again that they’re just JAGS. Old man Dewitts must think he has unlimited time on this earth …..waste ANOTHER YEAR
This "re-set/runway" is nothing but a HUGE SCAM, as I pointed out when they first floated this c r a p.

BDWJr knew his attendance was going to tank this season so either he or his PR department came up with this ruse.

There is NO "re-set/runway" this season!

If there was, then M. McGreevy would've been here all season..............N. Gorman would've been playing every game............M. Mikolas would've been DFA'd......ect.........

It's a SCAM perpetrated by Dewitt and one that's very easy to see.
+1,000,000....DeTwit sends out Mo-ran to bull[shirt] about this being a reset year and looking at the kids and they continue to let Mikolas and Fedde.waste starts...DeTwit was hoping the fans would be like the front office (donkey) kissers on here who will support him over the team.
And he would rather Pay them to lose games than pay them to go away…….just Amazing
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Cranny wrote: 07 Jul 2025 13:30 pm
rockondlouie wrote: 07 Jul 2025 11:04 am
Goldfan wrote: 07 Jul 2025 10:40 am
BrockFloodMaris wrote: 07 Jul 2025 10:38 am
rockondlouie wrote: 07 Jul 2025 08:45 am Been that way since Goldy & NADO started their decline, no star players.

S. Gray was a high quality add as was Maton, WillyC has been solid, Libby shows promise and Helsley is a solid closer.

Behind that you've got some good, complimentary players like Donny, Winn and Burleson who need to be your fifth-seventh best position players if you want to be a true WS contender.
Rock, this is the most accurate take I've read on CT for a while. Putting those complimentary players into higher leverage spots in the order overexposes them to MLB's best pitchers.
And everyone with half a brain knows this….BUT they NEEDED to give the YUTES a full year to show again that they’re just JAGS. Old man Dewitts must think he has unlimited time on this earth …..waste ANOTHER YEAR
This "re-set/runway" is nothing but a HUGE SCAM, as I pointed out when they first floated this c r a p.

BDWJr knew his attendance was going to tank this season so either he or his PR department came up with this ruse.

There is NO "re-set/runway" this season!

If there was, then M. McGreevy would've been here all season..............N. Gorman would've been playing every game............M. Mikolas would've been DFA'd......ect.........

It's a SCAM perpetrated by Dewitt and one that's very easy to see.
Horse manure.
You must be talking about how you post.
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rockondlouie wrote: 07 Jul 2025 11:04 am
Goldfan wrote: 07 Jul 2025 10:40 am
BrockFloodMaris wrote: 07 Jul 2025 10:38 am
rockondlouie wrote: 07 Jul 2025 08:45 am Been that way since Goldy & NADO started their decline, no star players.

S. Gray was a high quality add as was Maton, WillyC has been solid, Libby shows promise and Helsley is a solid closer.

Behind that you've got some good, complimentary players like Donny, Winn and Burleson who need to be your fifth-seventh best position players if you want to be a true WS contender.
Rock, this is the most accurate take I've read on CT for a while. Putting those complimentary players into higher leverage spots in the order overexposes them to MLB's best pitchers.
And everyone with half a brain knows this….BUT they NEEDED to give the YUTES a full year to show again that they’re just JAGS. Old man Dewitts must think he has unlimited time on this earth …..waste ANOTHER YEAR
This "re-set/runway" is nothing but a HUGE SCAM, as I pointed out when they first floated this c r a p.

BDWJr knew his attendance was going to tank this season so either he or his PR department came up with this ruse.

There is NO "re-set/runway" this season!

If there was, then M. McGreevy would've been here all season..............N. Gorman would've been playing every game............M. Mikolas would've been DFA'd......ect.........

It's a SCAM perpetrated by Dewitt and one that's very easy to see.
makes you wonder when they appoint a guy to be manager who had neither the background nor the experience to actually be a manger lol. 1.6 billion worth franchise does that, does seem a little scam like, but maybe we should just go with..... extra stupid? Or extra risky cause parting with the money otherwise it just too much?
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Cranny wrote: 07 Jul 2025 13:30 pm
rockondlouie wrote: 07 Jul 2025 11:04 am
Goldfan wrote: 07 Jul 2025 10:40 am
BrockFloodMaris wrote: 07 Jul 2025 10:38 am
rockondlouie wrote: 07 Jul 2025 08:45 am Been that way since Goldy & NADO started their decline, no star players.

S. Gray was a high quality add as was Maton, WillyC has been solid, Libby shows promise and Helsley is a solid closer.

Behind that you've got some good, complimentary players like Donny, Winn and Burleson who need to be your fifth-seventh best position players if you want to be a true WS contender.
Rock, this is the most accurate take I've read on CT for a while. Putting those complimentary players into higher leverage spots in the order overexposes them to MLB's best pitchers.
And everyone with half a brain knows this….BUT they NEEDED to give the YUTES a full year to show again that they’re just JAGS. Old man Dewitts must think he has unlimited time on this earth …..waste ANOTHER YEAR
This "re-set/runway" is nothing but a HUGE SCAM, as I pointed out when they first floated this c r a p.

BDWJr knew his attendance was going to tank this season so either he or his PR department came up with this ruse.

There is NO "re-set/runway" this season!

If there was, then M. McGreevy would've been here all season..............N. Gorman would've been playing every game............M. Mikolas would've been DFA'd......ect.........

It's a SCAM perpetrated by Dewitt and one that's very easy to see.
Horse manure.
That's what your post are, horse manure.

The "re-set/runway" is a SCAM, cooked up to slash payroll because Dewitt knew he was looking at drawing well under 2.5M.

Truth hurts doesn't it cranny?
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WLTFE wrote: 07 Jul 2025 13:52 pm
rockondlouie wrote: 07 Jul 2025 11:04 am
Goldfan wrote: 07 Jul 2025 10:40 am
BrockFloodMaris wrote: 07 Jul 2025 10:38 am
rockondlouie wrote: 07 Jul 2025 08:45 am Been that way since Goldy & NADO started their decline, no star players.

S. Gray was a high quality add as was Maton, WillyC has been solid, Libby shows promise and Helsley is a solid closer.

Behind that you've got some good, complimentary players like Donny, Winn and Burleson who need to be your fifth-seventh best position players if you want to be a true WS contender.
Rock, this is the most accurate take I've read on CT for a while. Putting those complimentary players into higher leverage spots in the order overexposes them to MLB's best pitchers.
And everyone with half a brain knows this….BUT they NEEDED to give the YUTES a full year to show again that they’re just JAGS. Old man Dewitts must think he has unlimited time on this earth …..waste ANOTHER YEAR
This "re-set/runway" is nothing but a HUGE SCAM, as I pointed out when they first floated this c r a p.

BDWJr knew his attendance was going to tank this season so either he or his PR department came up with this ruse.

There is NO "re-set/runway" this season!

If there was, then M. McGreevy would've been here all season..............N. Gorman would've been playing every game............M. Mikolas would've been DFA'd......ect.........

It's a SCAM perpetrated by Dewitt and one that's very easy to see.
+1,000,000....DeTwit sends out Mo-ran to bull[shirt] about this being a reset year and looking at the kids and they continue to let Mikolas and Fedde.waste starts...DeTwit was hoping the fans would be like the front office (donkey) kissers on here who will support him over the team.
Bingo!

You don't BLOCK M. McGreevy for M. Mikolas if this was a true ""re-set/runway" season.

You don't keep sitting N. Gorman while playing garbage pickups off the waiver wire it this was a true "re-set/runway" season.

IT'S a scam sold to the gullible in the fan base so Dewitt could SLASH payroll (-$50M)! :x
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Clubmaker2 wrote: 07 Jul 2025 13:57 pm
rockondlouie wrote: 07 Jul 2025 11:04 am
Goldfan wrote: 07 Jul 2025 10:40 am
BrockFloodMaris wrote: 07 Jul 2025 10:38 am
rockondlouie wrote: 07 Jul 2025 08:45 am Been that way since Goldy & NADO started their decline, no star players.

S. Gray was a high quality add as was Maton, WillyC has been solid, Libby shows promise and Helsley is a solid closer.

Behind that you've got some good, complimentary players like Donny, Winn and Burleson who need to be your fifth-seventh best position players if you want to be a true WS contender.
Rock, this is the most accurate take I've read on CT for a while. Putting those complimentary players into higher leverage spots in the order overexposes them to MLB's best pitchers.
And everyone with half a brain knows this….BUT they NEEDED to give the YUTES a full year to show again that they’re just JAGS. Old man Dewitts must think he has unlimited time on this earth …..waste ANOTHER YEAR
This "re-set/runway" is nothing but a HUGE SCAM, as I pointed out when they first floated this c r a p.

BDWJr knew his attendance was going to tank this season so either he or his PR department came up with this ruse.

There is NO "re-set/runway" this season!

If there was, then M. McGreevy would've been here all season..............N. Gorman would've been playing every game............M. Mikolas would've been DFA'd......ect.........

It's a SCAM perpetrated by Dewitt and one that's very easy to see.
makes you wonder when they appoint a guy to be manager who had neither the background nor the experience to actually be a manger lol. 1.6 billion worth franchise does that, does seem a little scam like, but maybe we should just go with..... extra stupid? Or extra risky cause parting with the money otherwise it just too much?
Extra stupid for sure to entrust your $2.5B (2024 valuation) franchise to such an unqualified Manager and an inept POBO.

I can't wait to see what Forbes values the franchise at after this season given the massive decline in attendance from 3.4M at it's peak to being on pace to draw under 2.5M (and could be a lot lower if they selloff everyone and sink by August).
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Goldfan wrote: 07 Jul 2025 13:27 pm
rockondlouie wrote: 07 Jul 2025 13:18 pm
icon wrote: 07 Jul 2025 12:57 pm
rockondlouie wrote: 07 Jul 2025 11:04 am
Goldfan wrote: 07 Jul 2025 10:40 am
BrockFloodMaris wrote: 07 Jul 2025 10:38 am
rockondlouie wrote: 07 Jul 2025 08:45 am Been that way since Goldy & NADO started their decline, no star players.

S. Gray was a high quality add as was Maton, WillyC has been solid, Libby shows promise and Helsley is a solid closer.

Behind that you've got some good, complimentary players like Donny, Winn and Burleson who need to be your fifth-seventh best position players if you want to be a true WS contender.
Rock, this is the most accurate take I've read on CT for a while. Putting those complimentary players into higher leverage spots in the order overexposes them to MLB's best pitchers.
And everyone with half a brain knows this….BUT they NEEDED to give the YUTES a full year to show again that they’re just JAGS. Old man Dewitts must think he has unlimited time on this earth …..waste ANOTHER YEAR
This "re-set/runway" is nothing but a HUGE SCAM, as I pointed out when they first floated this c r a p.

BDWJr knew his attendance was going to tank this season so either he or his PR department came up with this ruse.

There is NO "re-set/runway" this season!

If there was, then M. McGreevy would've been here all season..............N. Gorman would've been playing every game............M. Mikolas would've been DFA'd......ect.........

It's a SCAM perpetrated by Dewitt and one that's very easy to see.
As you said long ago, BDW Jr. IS the problem. End of story. He's the one who kept Mozeliak way past his expiration date and allowed him to hire yes men managers. I guess we'll see how big of a problem he continues to be once Bloom takes over and we see how long of a leash he has.
Yep

I get it icon, he got old and that led to his complacency. Happy to let Mo run the show as long as he was drawing 3+M and the $$$$ were rolling in.

He could've jettisoned Mo a few years ago, brought in a quality manager and not seen his team slide like it has along w/attendance.

Once the $$$$ stopped rolling in, Bill woke up!

Thankfully he seems to be back, letting Mo go (retirement my a z z) and bringing in two smart guys in Bloom and Cerfolio, going back to the days when he brought in J. Luhnow.

They may fail, especially if Dewitt doesn't give Bloom a $175+M payroll.

But Mo was well past his expiration date and new blood has been needed in the FO for way too long.

Let's hope B & C can straighten out this mess and we're back to being a serious WS contender soon.
What is his endgame??? To destroy this franchise??? Other than the ole Kroenke playbook that lulls everyone in to “who gives a [shirt]” and leaving
What could possibly be the endgame of being this stupid???
MLB would NEVER, EVER allow him to move the Cardinals from St. Louis given we're one of the Top 5 crown jewel franchise in MLB history.

It's like I said above GF, Dewitt got old and took his eye off the ball (re: allowed Mo too much control as long as the team was drawing 3+M and the $$$ was rolling in)!

Once the $$$$ stopped (re: attendance cratered!), Dewitt woke up and (told Mo to resign after 2025 season) has made some changes bringing in new FO blood.

The way you hurt RICH PEOPLE is to take away their money!

I wonder how many hundreds of millions of dollars the franchise value has dropped since it peaked at $2.5B last year?

2026
$2.2B?
$2.1B?
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OldRed wrote: 07 Jul 2025 07:26 am The current Cardinal team just doesn't have good enough talent. PERIOD!
Its not a binary question. Are we winning a WS? Maybe not. But we are better than more than half the teams in the league. And we've beaten a lot of potential playoff teams, especially at home. And right now we have 3+ starters hurt so its a very bad time to evaluate based on the past 6 days.

But you don't burn down every team that isn't winning a WS this year every time. That floods the market with firesale talent and you get no return. Instead look who is firesaling and maybe buy opportunistically to get better on the cheap.
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Just remember everyone...

BDWJr has SLASHED $50,000,000 from the 2024 payroll!

That's right....

$50,000,000


Just enough to cover the loss of 500,000 in attendance?

"Re-set/Runway" season is a PR SCAM! :oops:
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Carp4Cy wrote: 07 Jul 2025 14:22 pm
OldRed wrote: 07 Jul 2025 07:26 am The current Cardinal team just doesn't have good enough talent. PERIOD!
Its not a binary question. Are we winning a WS? Maybe not. But we are better than more than half the teams in the league. And we've beaten a lot of potential playoff teams, especially at home. And right now we have 3+ starters hurt so its a very bad time to evaluate based on the past 6 days.

But you don't burn down every team that isn't winning a WS this year every time. That floods the market with firesale talent and you get no return. Instead look who is firesaling and maybe buy opportunistically to get better on the cheap.
How far have the Yankees of the National League fallen when "better than more than half the teams in the league" is the measuring stick?
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desertrat23 wrote: 07 Jul 2025 14:35 pm
Carp4Cy wrote: 07 Jul 2025 14:22 pm
OldRed wrote: 07 Jul 2025 07:26 am The current Cardinal team just doesn't have good enough talent. PERIOD!
Its not a binary question. Are we winning a WS? Maybe not. But we are better than more than half the teams in the league. And we've beaten a lot of potential playoff teams, especially at home. And right now we have 3+ starters hurt so its a very bad time to evaluate based on the past 6 days.

But you don't burn down every team that isn't winning a WS this year every time. That floods the market with firesale talent and you get no return. Instead look who is firesaling and maybe buy opportunistically to get better on the cheap.
How far have the Yankees of the National League fallen when "better than more than half the teams in the league" is the measuring stick?
the measuring stick for what exactly? That we need to "admit" something?
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This team was 2 out just a couple weeks ago…..with the right moves they could still be in it. The idiots running this circus will prove as they always have the last decade that they are not up to the responsibility to maintain a winning playoff team.
Pitching the 2 BP arms in Chicago, not looking to deal some of that “GREAT” minor league talent that NEVER materializes,for lineup help, and even now MO commenting that McGreevy is a ML pitcher but just can’t find a spot will all certainly continue keep fans away from this Busch chitshow.
Just a inkling of promise of hope that this FO has the balls to put together a playoff team would shock everyone
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icon, rock, goldfan, oldred, etc. -

Yes, it's horse manure reading your continuous negative dribble. It never changes. It just dribbles over and over and over again - day after day. No substance.
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Cranny wrote: 07 Jul 2025 15:38 pm icon, rock, goldfan, oldred, etc. -

Yes, it's horse manure reading your continuous negative dribble. It never changes. It just dribbles over and over and over again - day after day. No substance.
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