It's time to admit

[Alex Reyes Cy Young]

If Moe makes a move for an impact bat and some bullpen help you never know.

[BrockFloodMaris]

Been that way since Goldy & NADO started their decline, no star players.

S. Gray was a high quality add as was Maton, WillyC has been solid, Libby shows promise and Helsley is a solid closer.

Behind that you've got some good, complimentary players like Donny, Winn and Burleson who need to be your fifth-seventh best position players if you want to be a true WS contender.

Rock, this is the most accurate take I've read on CT for a while. Putting those complimentary players into higher leverage spots in the order overexposes them to MLB's best pitchers.

[Goldfan]

Been that way since Goldy & NADO started their decline, no star players.

S. Gray was a high quality add as was Maton, WillyC has been solid, Libby shows promise and Helsley is a solid closer.

Behind that you've got some good, complimentary players like Donny, Winn and Burleson who need to be your fifth-seventh best position players if you want to be a true WS contender.

Rock, this is the most accurate take I've read on CT for a while. Putting those complimentary players into higher leverage spots in the order overexposes them to MLB's best pitchers.

And everyone with half a brain knows this….BUT they NEEDED to give the YUTES a full year to show again that they’re just JAGS. Old man Dewitts must think he has unlimited time on this earth …..waste ANOTHER YEAR

[Youboughtit]

To be very honest we knew coming out of Spring Training this ball club was offensively weak. The hope was pitching would save the day. They have not. Just exactly the team that was gathered in Florida.

It is not the roster.
It is the leadership.
Super Slo Mo and The Marmot have made some very stupid decisions.

Disagree, it is the roster and lack of talent.

And I will say it’s the owner. The farm is rising fast and has another top pick. Ranked 11 and 4 top 100 and the #5 pick. The problem is they need to get a superstar pitcher and Hitter to let the other pieces fall into place. The winning formula has been proven in St Louis. Look it up. Every WS they have won had a top 5 farm and a top 10 payroll. That # is $215m currently. Until that happens we will have a mediocre roster and fans will not attend. We want superstars or WS

[Ordinary Man]

If Moe makes a move for an impact bat and some bullpen help you never know.

And what has recent history shown us?

[CCard]

The current Cardinal team just doesn't have good enough talent. PERIOD!

Agreed, but it's not always the most talented team that wins. It's the hottest team and any team can win in a short series. They have enough with some tweaking to get into the dance. Then who knows.They really need a consistent starter bad. No more Mikolas and Fedde. They're killing the bullpen.

[rockondlouie]

Been that way since Goldy & NADO started their decline, no star players.

S. Gray was a high quality add as was Maton, WillyC has been solid, Libby shows promise and Helsley is a solid closer.

Behind that you've got some good, complimentary players like Donny, Winn and Burleson who need to be your fifth-seventh best position players if you want to be a true WS contender.

Rock, this is the most accurate take I've read on CT for a while. Putting those complimentary players into higher leverage spots in the order overexposes them to MLB's best pitchers.

Thx BFM

And I took no pleasure in posting that either, hurts to see the Cardinals w/such a weak roster.

And you're spot on about players being put into order spots they're simply not talented enough to handle (Re: Donny hitting 3rd and 2024 Winn hitting lead-off).

[rockondlouie]

Been that way since Goldy & NADO started their decline, no star players.

S. Gray was a high quality add as was Maton, WillyC has been solid, Libby shows promise and Helsley is a solid closer.

Behind that you've got some good, complimentary players like Donny, Winn and Burleson who need to be your fifth-seventh best position players if you want to be a true WS contender.

Rock, this is the most accurate take I've read on CT for a while. Putting those complimentary players into higher leverage spots in the order overexposes them to MLB's best pitchers.

And everyone with half a brain knows this….BUT they NEEDED to give the YUTES a full year to show again that they’re just JAGS. Old man Dewitts must think he has unlimited time on this earth …..waste ANOTHER YEAR

This "re-set/runway" is nothing but a HUGE SCAM, as I pointed out when they first floated this c r a p.

BDWJr knew his attendance was going to tank this season so either he or his PR department came up with this ruse.

There is NO "re-set/runway" this season!

If there was, then M. McGreevy would've been here all season..............N. Gorman would've been playing every game............M. Mikolas would've been DFA'd......ect.........

It's a SCAM perpetrated by Dewitt and one that's very easy to see.

[desertrat23]

The current Cardinal team just doesn't have good enough talent. PERIOD!

Agreed, but it's not always the most talented team that wins. It's the hottest team and any team can win in a short series. They have enough with some tweaking to get into the dance. Then who knows.They really need a consistent starter bad. No more Mikolas and Fedde. They're killing the bullpen.

All well and good, but that would mean they'd have to go get a consistent starter, and they're just not going to do that, no matter what they say.

[riff raff]

Been that way since Goldy & NADO started their decline, no star players.

S. Gray was a high quality add as was Maton, WillyC has been solid, Libby shows promise and Helsley is a solid closer.

Behind that you've got some good, complimentary players like Donny, Winn and Burleson who need to be your fifth-seventh best position players if you want to be a true WS contender.

Rock, this is the most accurate take I've read on CT for a while. Putting those complimentary players into higher leverage spots in the order overexposes them to MLB's best pitchers.

And everyone with half a brain knows this….BUT they NEEDED to give the YUTES a full year to show again that they’re just JAGS. Old man Dewitts must think he has unlimited time on this earth …..waste ANOTHER YEAR

This "re-set/runway" is nothing but a HUGE SCAM, as I pointed out when they first floated this c r a p.

BDWJr knew his attendance was going to tank this season so either he or his PR department came up with this ruse.

There is NO "re-set/runway" this season!

If there was, then M. McGreevy would've been here all season..............N. Gorman would've been playing every game............M. Mikolas would've been DFA'd......ect.........

It's a SCAM perpetrated by Dewitt and one that's very easy to see.

And all those idiot season ticket holders fell for it. What a bunch of fools.

[icon]

Been that way since Goldy & NADO started their decline, no star players.

S. Gray was a high quality add as was Maton, WillyC has been solid, Libby shows promise and Helsley is a solid closer.

Behind that you've got some good, complimentary players like Donny, Winn and Burleson who need to be your fifth-seventh best position players if you want to be a true WS contender.

Rock, this is the most accurate take I've read on CT for a while. Putting those complimentary players into higher leverage spots in the order overexposes them to MLB's best pitchers.

And everyone with half a brain knows this….BUT they NEEDED to give the YUTES a full year to show again that they’re just JAGS. Old man Dewitts must think he has unlimited time on this earth …..waste ANOTHER YEAR

This "re-set/runway" is nothing but a HUGE SCAM, as I pointed out when they first floated this c r a p.

BDWJr knew his attendance was going to tank this season so either he or his PR department came up with this ruse.

There is NO "re-set/runway" this season!

If there was, then M. McGreevy would've been here all season..............N. Gorman would've been playing every game............M. Mikolas would've been DFA'd......ect.........

It's a SCAM perpetrated by Dewitt and one that's very easy to see.

As you said long ago, BDW Jr. IS the problem. End of story. He's the one who kept Mozeliak way past his expiration date and allowed him to hire yes men managers. I guess we'll see how big of a problem he continues to be once Bloom takes over and we see how long of a leash he has.

[Rojo Johnson]

And besides Liberatore what have we learned about the collection of players we have that we already should have known?

That is an awesome question. Unless you want to say Nootbar is actually worse than we thought he was. He’s a 5th OFer on most teams. He’s confirmed that this year. Get rid of him to Seattle. He’d be a good fit in that shoot hole.

[Cranny]

Been that way since Goldy & NADO started their decline, no star players.

S. Gray was a high quality add as was Maton, WillyC has been solid, Libby shows promise and Helsley is a solid closer.

Behind that you've got some good, complimentary players like Donny, Winn and Burleson who need to be your fifth-seventh best position players if you want to be a true WS contender.

Rock, this is the most accurate take I've read on CT for a while. Putting those complimentary players into higher leverage spots in the order overexposes them to MLB's best pitchers.

And everyone with half a brain knows this….BUT they NEEDED to give the YUTES a full year to show again that they’re just JAGS. Old man Dewitts must think he has unlimited time on this earth …..waste ANOTHER YEAR

This "re-set/runway" is nothing but a HUGE SCAM, as I pointed out when they first floated this c r a p.

BDWJr knew his attendance was going to tank this season so either he or his PR department came up with this ruse.

There is NO "re-set/runway" this season!

If there was, then M. McGreevy would've been here all season..............N. Gorman would've been playing every game............M. Mikolas would've been DFA'd......ect.........

It's a SCAM perpetrated by Dewitt and one that's very easy to see.

And all those idiot season ticket holders fell for it. What a bunch of fools.

You mean the fans who just enjoy watching MLB?

[rockondlouie]

Been that way since Goldy & NADO started their decline, no star players.

S. Gray was a high quality add as was Maton, WillyC has been solid, Libby shows promise and Helsley is a solid closer.

Behind that you've got some good, complimentary players like Donny, Winn and Burleson who need to be your fifth-seventh best position players if you want to be a true WS contender.

Rock, this is the most accurate take I've read on CT for a while. Putting those complimentary players into higher leverage spots in the order overexposes them to MLB's best pitchers.

And everyone with half a brain knows this….BUT they NEEDED to give the YUTES a full year to show again that they’re just JAGS. Old man Dewitts must think he has unlimited time on this earth …..waste ANOTHER YEAR

This "re-set/runway" is nothing but a HUGE SCAM, as I pointed out when they first floated this c r a p.

BDWJr knew his attendance was going to tank this season so either he or his PR department came up with this ruse.

There is NO "re-set/runway" this season!

If there was, then M. McGreevy would've been here all season..............N. Gorman would've been playing every game............M. Mikolas would've been DFA'd......ect.........

It's a SCAM perpetrated by Dewitt and one that's very easy to see.

As you said long ago, BDW Jr. IS the problem. End of story. He's the one who kept Mozeliak way past his expiration date and allowed him to hire yes men managers. I guess we'll see how big of a problem he continues to be once Bloom takes over and we see how long of a leash he has.

Yep

I get it icon, he got old and that led to his complacency. Happy to let Mo run the show as long as he was drawing 3+M and the $$$$ were rolling in.

He could've jettisoned Mo a few years ago, brought in a quality manager and not seen his team slide like it has along w/attendance.

Once the $$$$ stopped rolling in, Bill woke up!

Thankfully he seems to be back, letting Mo go (retirement my a z z) and bringing in two smart guys in Bloom and Cerfolio, going back to the days when he brought in J. Luhnow.

They may fail, especially if Dewitt doesn't give Bloom a $175+M payroll.

But Mo was well past his expiration date and new blood has been needed in the FO for way too long.

Let's hope B & C can straighten out this mess and we're back to being a serious WS contender soon.

[Goldfan]

Been that way since Goldy & NADO started their decline, no star players.

S. Gray was a high quality add as was Maton, WillyC has been solid, Libby shows promise and Helsley is a solid closer.

Behind that you've got some good, complimentary players like Donny, Winn and Burleson who need to be your fifth-seventh best position players if you want to be a true WS contender.

Rock, this is the most accurate take I've read on CT for a while. Putting those complimentary players into higher leverage spots in the order overexposes them to MLB's best pitchers.

And everyone with half a brain knows this….BUT they NEEDED to give the YUTES a full year to show again that they’re just JAGS. Old man Dewitts must think he has unlimited time on this earth …..waste ANOTHER YEAR

This "re-set/runway" is nothing but a HUGE SCAM, as I pointed out when they first floated this c r a p.

BDWJr knew his attendance was going to tank this season so either he or his PR department came up with this ruse.

There is NO "re-set/runway" this season!

If there was, then M. McGreevy would've been here all season..............N. Gorman would've been playing every game............M. Mikolas would've been DFA'd......ect.........

It's a SCAM perpetrated by Dewitt and one that's very easy to see.

As you said long ago, BDW Jr. IS the problem. End of story. He's the one who kept Mozeliak way past his expiration date and allowed him to hire yes men managers. I guess we'll see how big of a problem he continues to be once Bloom takes over and we see how long of a leash he has.

Yep

I get it icon, he got old and that led to his complacency. Happy to let Mo run the show as long as he was drawing 3+M and the $$$$ were rolling in.

He could've jettisoned Mo a few years ago, brought in a quality manager and not seen his team slide like it has along w/attendance.

Once the $$$$ stopped rolling in, Bill woke up!

Thankfully he seems to be back, letting Mo go (retirement my a z z) and bringing in two smart guys in Bloom and Cerfolio, going back to the days when he brought in J. Luhnow.

They may fail, especially if Dewitt doesn't give Bloom a $175+M payroll.

But Mo was well past his expiration date and new blood has been needed in the FO for way too long.

Let's hope B & C can straighten out this mess and we're back to being a serious WS contender soon.

What is his endgame??? To destroy this franchise??? Other than the ole Kroenke playbook that lulls everyone in to “who gives a [shirt]” and leaving
What could possibly be the endgame of being this stupid???

[Cranny]

Been that way since Goldy & NADO started their decline, no star players.

S. Gray was a high quality add as was Maton, WillyC has been solid, Libby shows promise and Helsley is a solid closer.

Behind that you've got some good, complimentary players like Donny, Winn and Burleson who need to be your fifth-seventh best position players if you want to be a true WS contender.

Rock, this is the most accurate take I've read on CT for a while. Putting those complimentary players into higher leverage spots in the order overexposes them to MLB's best pitchers.

And everyone with half a brain knows this….BUT they NEEDED to give the YUTES a full year to show again that they’re just JAGS. Old man Dewitts must think he has unlimited time on this earth …..waste ANOTHER YEAR

This "re-set/runway" is nothing but a HUGE SCAM, as I pointed out when they first floated this c r a p.

BDWJr knew his attendance was going to tank this season so either he or his PR department came up with this ruse.

There is NO "re-set/runway" this season!

If there was, then M. McGreevy would've been here all season..............N. Gorman would've been playing every game............M. Mikolas would've been DFA'd......ect.........

It's a SCAM perpetrated by Dewitt and one that's very easy to see.

Horse manure.