Bluesfan1978 wrote: ↑06 Jul 2025 08:04 am
The reality is Bolduc was behind Neighbours who the Blues feel is the type of player you win a cup with. Kyrou, Snuggy, Holloway, Buch making him 6th in the winger depth chart. I’m guessing the team is projecting Carbonneau and maybe Stenberg to be right in the mix and that doesn’t count any of the other wingers pushing their way into the top 9. Even if Mailloux turns into a solid number 3 RD it’s still good asset management.
You're probably right, but you could see the 30 goal potential as early as this year with Bolduc. I can't remember the last Blue I've seen with such an elite wrister and one-timer like him. Add his chippy play and I think I probably would have tried to trade Snuggerud instead, but maybe he wouldn't get it done. No matter, in 2-3 years Carbonneau will be moving all of our right wingers down a line.
Good lawd, how good is this team going to be when the next wave comes up from the AHL? What a great time to be a Blues fan!
dhsux wrote: ↑05 Jul 2025 22:21 pm
But he's not the strongest of the prospects.
I personally feel Bolduc can reach 40 goals scored in the coming years. He's been a prolific scorer his whole pro stint and showed this capability in the big show as well last year. He showed a lot of grit this past season as well. I liked everything about him.
So for me it is about the bounty at wing from other prospects to help replace him coupled with a top 4 performing role from Mailloux and yes, the Blues can win or at least succeed at achieving a good hockey trade, but more likely winning if those 2 things can happen.
What if Mailloux can bank 50 points and be a (presently missing) driving force on the PP?
The upside factor for the Blues should not be discounted.
I'm definitely not discounting the upside for the Blues could be huge. I simply think we paid more than we had to.
Maybe.
You mind putting up who should have landed Mailloux if not Bolduc?
A lot of Hab fans think they really wanted Kyrou.
Bolduc has done very little in pro hockey besides a hot streak under Monty for 2-3 months
dhsux wrote: ↑05 Jul 2025 22:21 pm
But he's not the strongest of the prospects.
I personally feel Bolduc can reach 40 goals scored in the coming years. He's been a prolific scorer his whole pro stint and showed this capability in the big show as well last year. He showed a lot of grit this past season as well. I liked everything about him.
So for me it is about the bounty at wing from other prospects to help replace him coupled with a top 4 performing role from Mailloux and yes, the Blues can win or at least succeed at achieving a good hockey trade, but more likely winning if those 2 things can happen.
What if Mailloux can bank 50 points and be a (presently missing) driving force on the PP?
The upside factor for the Blues should not be discounted.
I'm definitely not discounting the upside for the Blues could be huge. I simply think we paid more than we had to.
Maybe.
You mind putting up who should have landed Mailloux if not Bolduc?
A lot of Hab fans think they really wanted Kyrou.
I personally think a package of lesser assets, picks, prospects
What package of picks and prospects would you have been willing to trade for Mailloux instead of Bolduc?
Also, this is completely ignoring the little detail that MTL was looking for a current player and not futures…but I’m curious what you’d consider to be a fair futures deal for Mailloux.
dhsux wrote: ↑05 Jul 2025 22:21 pm
But he's not the strongest of the prospects.
I personally feel Bolduc can reach 40 goals scored in the coming years. He's been a prolific scorer his whole pro stint and showed this capability in the big show as well last year. He showed a lot of grit this past season as well. I liked everything about him.
So for me it is about the bounty at wing from other prospects to help replace him coupled with a top 4 performing role from Mailloux and yes, the Blues can win or at least succeed at achieving a good hockey trade, but more likely winning if those 2 things can happen.
What if Mailloux can bank 50 points and be a (presently missing) driving force on the PP?
The upside factor for the Blues should not be discounted.
I'm definitely not discounting the upside for the Blues could be huge. I simply think we paid more than we had to.
Maybe.
You mind putting up who should have landed Mailloux if not Bolduc?
A lot of Hab fans think they really wanted Kyrou.
I personally think a package of lesser assets, picks, prospects
I’m sure they tried that. Montreal has a prospect pool in the top 5 in the league. They are looking to upgrade their positions of weakness. They definitely don’t want more mid level prospects
Nope I wouldn’t. But I hope Mailloux is a tier or two above Bortuzzo whether he’s the 3rd pair or not. I’d say the team probably thinks top 4 is the floor for him.
dhsux wrote: ↑05 Jul 2025 22:21 pm
But he's not the strongest of the prospects.
I personally feel Bolduc can reach 40 goals scored in the coming years. He's been a prolific scorer his whole pro stint and showed this capability in the big show as well last year. He showed a lot of grit this past season as well. I liked everything about him.
So for me it is about the bounty at wing from other prospects to help replace him coupled with a top 4 performing role from Mailloux and yes, the Blues can win or at least succeed at achieving a good hockey trade, but more likely winning if those 2 things can happen.
What if Mailloux can bank 50 points and be a (presently missing) driving force on the PP?
The upside factor for the Blues should not be discounted.
I'm definitely not discounting the upside for the Blues could be huge. I simply think we paid more than we had to.
Maybe.
You mind putting up who should have landed Mailloux if not Bolduc?
A lot of Hab fans think they really wanted Kyrou.
I personally think a package of lesser assets, picks, prospects
I’m sure they tried that. Montreal has a prospect pool in the top 5 in the league. They are looking to upgrade their positions of weakness. They definitely don’t want more mid level prospects
Well yeah I'm sure they did, that is how negotiations work. They try to make us believe someone else is or will outbid us and we have to decided if we are bidding against ourselves or not. THAT is how you win or lose negotiations and I think we lost this one and I could be wrong but I believe if we hold our ground we get the player for less (closer to our needs and further from theirs)
Its just an opinion but an honest one unlike many others who would have 100% thought the same thing before it happened. I don't believe Mailloux had the kind of trade value even though I think he may well turn out to be a great addition.
dhsux wrote: ↑05 Jul 2025 22:21 pm
But he's not the strongest of the prospects.
I personally feel Bolduc can reach 40 goals scored in the coming years.
The upside factor for the Blues should not be discounted.
I'm definitely not discounting the upside for the Blues could be huge. I simply think we paid more than we had to.
A lot of Hab fans think they really wanted Kyrou.
I personally think a package of lesser assets, picks, prospects
I’m sure they tried that. Montreal has a prospect pool in the top 5 in the league. They are looking to upgrade their positions of weakness. They definitely don’t want more mid level prospects
Well yeah I'm sure they did, that is how negotiations work. They try to make us believe someone else is or will outbid us and we have to decided if we are bidding against ourselves or not. THAT is how you win or lose negotiations and I think we lost this one and I could be wrong but I believe if we hold our ground we get the player for less (closer to our needs and further from theirs)
Its just an opinion but an honest one unlike many others who would have 100% thought the same thing before it happened. I don't believe Mailloux had the kind of trade value even though I think he may well turn out to be a great addition.
I agree. I like M but he was blocked in montreal and had the baggage that other teams don't want. Unfortunately, we don't have a player that was less than Bolduc but valued enough to get M. But I do think we should have been able to get something added like a 3rd round pick as an example.
dhsux wrote: ↑05 Jul 2025 22:21 pm
But he's not the strongest of the prospects.
I personally feel Bolduc can reach 40 goals scored in the coming years. He's been a prolific scorer his whole pro stint and showed this capability in the big show as well last year. He showed a lot of grit this past season as well. I liked everything about him.
So for me it is about the bounty at wing from other prospects to help replace him coupled with a top 4 performing role from Mailloux and yes, the Blues can win or at least succeed at achieving a good hockey trade, but more likely winning if those 2 things can happen.
What if Mailloux can bank 50 points and be a (presently missing) driving force on the PP?
The upside factor for the Blues should not be discounted.
I'm definitely not discounting the upside for the Blues could be huge. I simply think we paid more than we had to.
Maybe.
You mind putting up who should have landed Mailloux if not Bolduc?
A lot of Hab fans think they really wanted Kyrou.
Bolduc has done very little in pro hockey besides a hot streak under Monty for 2-3 months
His linemates played a big role in that. It’s hard to score goals when Sunny is your center and Joseph/Texier/rotting Saad are your wingers. Bolduc produced when he was briefly out with Thomas in late 2023-24 and on PP1 last year.
They clearly didn’t like something about Bolduc off-ice as they gave Snuggs the top line role right away while Bolduc barely ever sniffs it.
dhsux wrote: ↑05 Jul 2025 22:21 pm
But he's not the strongest of the prospects.
I personally feel Bolduc can reach 40 goals scored in the coming years.
The upside factor for the Blues should not be discounted.
I'm definitely not discounting the upside for the Blues could be huge. I simply think we paid more than we had to.
A lot of Hab fans think they really wanted Kyrou.
I personally think a package of lesser assets, picks, prospects
I’m sure they tried that. Montreal has a prospect pool in the top 5 in the league. They are looking to upgrade their positions of weakness. They definitely don’t want more mid level prospects
Well yeah I'm sure they did, that is how negotiations work. They try to make us believe someone else is or will outbid us and we have to decided if we are bidding against ourselves or not. THAT is how you win or lose negotiations and I think we lost this one and I could be wrong but I believe if we hold our ground we get the player for less (closer to our needs and further from theirs)
Its just an opinion but an honest one unlike many others who would have 100% thought the same thing before it happened. I don't believe Mailloux had the kind of trade value even though I think he may well turn out to be a great addition.
I agree. I like M but he was blocked in montreal and had the baggage that other teams don't want. Unfortunately, we don't have a player that was less than Bolduc but valued enough to get M. But I do think we should have been able to get something added like a 3rd round pick as an example.
If I'm giving up Bolduc I'm looking Reinbacher and telling them they should be fine because they would still have Mailloux and value him super high.
dhsux wrote: ↑05 Jul 2025 22:21 pm
But he's not the strongest of the prospects.
I personally feel Bolduc can reach 40 goals scored in the coming years.
The upside factor for the Blues should not be discounted.
I'm definitely not discounting the upside for the Blues could be huge. I simply think we paid more than we had to.
A lot of Hab fans think they really wanted Kyrou.
I personally think a package of lesser assets, picks, prospects
I’m sure they tried that. Montreal has a prospect pool in the top 5 in the league. They are looking to upgrade their positions of weakness. They definitely don’t want more mid level prospects
Well yeah I'm sure they did, that is how negotiations work. They try to make us believe someone else is or will outbid us and we have to decided if we are bidding against ourselves or not. THAT is how you win or lose negotiations and I think we lost this one and I could be wrong but I believe if we hold our ground we get the player for less (closer to our needs and further from theirs)
Its just an opinion but an honest one unlike many others who would have 100% thought the same thing before it happened. I don't believe Mailloux had the kind of trade value even though I think he may well turn out to be a great addition.
I agree. I like M but he was blocked in montreal and had the baggage that other teams don't want. Unfortunately, we don't have a player that was less than Bolduc but valued enough to get M. But I do think we should have been able to get something added like a 3rd round pick as an example.
If I'm giving up Bolduc I'm looking Reinbacher and telling them they should be fine because they would still have Mailloux and value him super high.
I'm assuming, I believe rightly so, they went through all that skilles.
It's likely fair to say right now the Habs won this trade on present value. If that's all your saying I'm good with that, pretty much feel the same way.
But to suggest the trade "should have" been done differently, and somehow completed successfully with picks or futures or lesser talent, then that's a separate criticism I don't buy. I think DA/Blues did due diligence and came out thinking Mailloux is worth this risk and right or wrong it's the kind of balls that it takes when you believe in your staff and their analysis of the OVERALL factors of this trade.
Where I'm confused.....to say right now it's an overpay (ok) but it could be a steal too.......and if the latter is so....dude it was never in REALITY an overpay. It pretty much nullifies your position.
dhsux wrote: ↑05 Jul 2025 22:21 pm
But he's not the strongest of the prospects.
I personally feel Bolduc can reach 40 goals scored in the coming years. He's been a prolific scorer his whole pro stint and showed this capability in the big show as well last year. He showed a lot of grit this past season as well. I liked everything about him.
So for me it is about the bounty at wing from other prospects to help replace him coupled with a top 4 performing role from Mailloux and yes, the Blues can win or at least succeed at achieving a good hockey trade, but more likely winning if those 2 things can happen.
What if Mailloux can bank 50 points and be a (presently missing) driving force on the PP?
The upside factor for the Blues should not be discounted.
I'm definitely not discounting the upside for the Blues could be huge. I simply think we paid more than we had to.
Maybe.
You mind putting up who should have landed Mailloux if not Bolduc?
A lot of Hab fans think they really wanted Kyrou.
Bolduc has done very little in pro hockey besides a hot streak under Monty for 2-3 months
His linemates played a big role in that. It’s hard to score goals when Sunny is your center and Joseph/Texier/rotting Saad are your wingers. Bolduc produced when he was briefly out with Thomas in late 2023-24 and on PP1 last year.
They clearly didn’t like something about Bolduc off-ice as they gave Snuggs the top line role right away while Bolduc barely ever sniffs it.
Bolduc played all over the lines at different times. Until Monty got here I was pretty concerned we were getting into a bust conversation. Recall Bolduc didn't really score in the AHL either it was Montys influence that got Bolduc playing a better brand of hockey. Like I said there is risk with Bolduc too.
Does Roy connect with Bolduc does he fold under the pressure in Montreal being French? He's obviously skilled I think he will score 20-25 but it's by no means certain.
