Mo must come away with a really good power hitting prospect

[Adam2]

At the trade deadline for the reset. Helsley could get that. And maybe Contreras could if he'd want to go to a serious contender and waive his NTC.

Helsley cannot get that in a return. Why do you think he could? What specific prospect did you have in mind? Be specific

come on, man...he does this for attention. That's all. He will NEVER do any homework on anything. He only wants the responses.

Give it up, Chuck. How's your constant belittling of Burleson going for you? Just keep up your wonderful reporting. And let the analysis/projections up to others like myself. You simply aren't in the same higher level league.

Again with Burleson? We aren't talking about him. Check your shorts you may need a change

[Talkin' Baseball]

At the trade deadline for the reset. Helsley could get that. And maybe Contreras could if he'd want to go to a serious contender and waive his NTC.

Helsley cannot get that in a return. Why do you think he could? What specific prospect did you have in mind? Be specific

I have a specific one in mind- Josue Briceno of the Tigers. 20 year old left handed power hitter. Primarily a bad catcher working now on 1B. He is ready to be promoted to AA. One of the things I like about him- he is in his fourth season as a pro and every year after the first year he has had almost an identical number of walks as strikeouts. Lots of extra base hits, not just home runs. Not a strikeout machine. He is probably 2 years from the majors. The Tigers have other catchers and they have other first basemen ahead of him. They have a deep farm system and could afford to part with a high end prospect- IF THEIR NEEDS WERE MET. They are really set up to make a run.

The posters are right, Helsley alone doesn't meet their needs, but they need Helsley. What else do they need? They could use a third baseman. With the glut of infielders we have, could we not part with Nolan Gorman? Jackson Jobe is lost for the season and Jack Flaherty is not doing well. They could use a starting pitcher. Would we be mad if we had to part with Andre Pallante?

We don't have to trade all these guys, but the point is they have needs and we have players that help meet those needs. The same is true of the Phillies, Mariners, Red Sox, and Rangers among others. We can do meaningful things if we will. Helsley alone is not the answer, but he is part of the answer. Take all of these guys that won't be back next year and bundle them with players who aren't rentals and get more meaningful returns. Josue Briceno- you heard it here first.

Thank you for the response. Your knowledge of Briceno far exceeds mine. By far I mean I've never heard of him. This is what I asked of Shady. If you propose a trade for a specific style of player put in some effort and give an example. I'll keep tabs on him and give you credit if he's traded to anyone for a value player

I think he is going to be exceptional. According to Baseball Trades Values, Briceno has a trade value almost identical to Gorman, OR Pallante even up. That's where Helsley comes in- he gets the deal done. If we could get one or two high value players, that's huge.

[craviduce]

At the trade deadline for the reset. Helsley could get that. And maybe Contreras could if he'd want to go to a serious contender and waive his NTC.

Helsley cannot get that in a return. Why do you think he could? What specific prospect did you have in mind? Be specific

I have a specific one in mind- Josue Briceno of the Tigers. 20 year old left handed power hitter. Primarily a bad catcher working now on 1B. He is ready to be promoted to AA. One of the things I like about him- he is in his fourth season as a pro and every year after the first year he has had almost an identical number of walks as strikeouts. Lots of extra base hits, not just home runs. Not a strikeout machine. He is probably 2 years from the majors. The Tigers have other catchers and they have other first basemen ahead of him. They have a deep farm system and could afford to part with a high end prospect- IF THEIR NEEDS WERE MET. They are really set up to make a run.

The posters are right, Helsley alone doesn't meet their needs, but they need Helsley. What else do they need? They could use a third baseman. With the glut of infielders we have, could we not part with Nolan Gorman? Jackson Jobe is lost for the season and Jack Flaherty is not doing well. They could use a starting pitcher. Would we be mad if we had to part with Andre Pallante?

We don't have to trade all these guys, but the point is they have needs and we have players that help meet those needs. The same is true of the Phillies, Mariners, Red Sox, and Rangers among others. We can do meaningful things if we will. Helsley alone is not the answer, but he is part of the answer. Take all of these guys that won't be back next year and bundle them with players who aren't rentals and get more meaningful returns. Josue Briceno- you heard it here first.

Thank you for the response. Your knowledge of Briceno far exceeds mine. By far I mean I've never heard of him. This is what I asked of Shady. If you propose a trade for a specific style of player put in some effort and give an example. I'll keep tabs on him and give you credit if he's traded to anyone for a value player

I think he is going to be exceptional. According to Baseball Trades Values, Briceno has a trade value almost identical to Gorman, OR Pallante even up. That's where Helsley comes in- he gets the deal done. If we could get one or two high value players, that's huge.

straight up for a Rental in Helsley...whose fastball is clearly not moving and hittable? 2 high value players for Helsley?

[Talkin' Baseball]

At the trade deadline for the reset. Helsley could get that. And maybe Contreras could if he'd want to go to a serious contender and waive his NTC.

Helsley cannot get that in a return. Why do you think he could? What specific prospect did you have in mind? Be specific

I have a specific one in mind- Josue Briceno of the Tigers. 20 year old left handed power hitter. Primarily a bad catcher working now on 1B. He is ready to be promoted to AA. One of the things I like about him- he is in his fourth season as a pro and every year after the first year he has had almost an identical number of walks as strikeouts. Lots of extra base hits, not just home runs. Not a strikeout machine. He is probably 2 years from the majors. The Tigers have other catchers and they have other first basemen ahead of him. They have a deep farm system and could afford to part with a high end prospect- IF THEIR NEEDS WERE MET. They are really set up to make a run.

The posters are right, Helsley alone doesn't meet their needs, but they need Helsley. What else do they need? They could use a third baseman. With the glut of infielders we have, could we not part with Nolan Gorman? Jackson Jobe is lost for the season and Jack Flaherty is not doing well. They could use a starting pitcher. Would we be mad if we had to part with Andre Pallante?

We don't have to trade all these guys, but the point is they have needs and we have players that help meet those needs. The same is true of the Phillies, Mariners, Red Sox, and Rangers among others. We can do meaningful things if we will. Helsley alone is not the answer, but he is part of the answer. Take all of these guys that won't be back next year and bundle them with players who aren't rentals and get more meaningful returns. Josue Briceno- you heard it here first.

Thank you for the response. Your knowledge of Briceno far exceeds mine. By far I mean I've never heard of him. This is what I asked of Shady. If you propose a trade for a specific style of player put in some effort and give an example. I'll keep tabs on him and give you credit if he's traded to anyone for a value player

I think he is going to be exceptional. According to Baseball Trades Values, Briceno has a trade value almost identical to Gorman, OR Pallante even up. That's where Helsley comes in- he gets the deal done. If we could get one or two high value players, that's huge.

straight up for a Rental in Helsley...whose fastball is clearly not moving and hittable? 2 high value players for Helsley?

That's not what I'm saying at all.

[Shady]

At the trade deadline for the reset. Helsley could get that. And maybe Contreras could if he'd want to go to a serious contender and waive his NTC.

Helsley cannot get that in a return. Why do you think he could? What specific prospect did you have in mind? Be specific

come on, man...he does this for attention. That's all. He will NEVER do any homework on anything. He only wants the responses.

Give it up, Chuck. How's your constant belittling of Burleson going for you? Just keep up your wonderful reporting. And let the analysis/projections up to others like myself. You simply aren't in the same higher level league.

Again with Burleson? We aren't talking about him. Check your shorts you may need a change

Get lost dingbat. You aren't in the big leagues discussing Cardinals baseball with the higher echelon like myself. You seem like a rookie. That's why you and your ilk are so defensive with me.

[Talkin' Baseball]

At the trade deadline for the reset. Helsley could get that. And maybe Contreras could if he'd want to go to a serious contender and waive his NTC.

Helsley cannot get that in a return. Why do you think he could? What specific prospect did you have in mind? Be specific

come on, man...he does this for attention. That's all. He will NEVER do any homework on anything. He only wants the responses.

Give it up, Chuck. How's your constant belittling of Burleson going for you? Just keep up your wonderful reporting. And let the analysis/projections up to others like myself. You simply aren't in the same higher level league.

Again with Burleson? We aren't talking about him. Check your shorts you may need a change

Get lost dingbat. You aren't in the big leagues discussing Cardinals baseball with the higher echelon like myself. That's why you and your ilk are so defensive with me.

Sabotaging your own thread. Talk baseball.

[Shady]

At the trade deadline for the reset. Helsley could get that. And maybe Contreras could if he'd want to go to a serious contender and waive his NTC.

Helsley cannot get that in a return. Why do you think he could? What specific prospect did you have in mind? Be specific

come on, man...he does this for attention. That's all. He will NEVER do any homework on anything. He only wants the responses.

Give it up, Chuck. How's your constant belittling of Burleson going for you? Just keep up your wonderful reporting. And let the analysis/projections up to others like myself. You simply aren't in the same higher level league.

Again with Burleson? We aren't talking about him. Check your shorts you may need a change

Get lost dingbat. You aren't in the big leagues discussing Cardinals baseball with the higher echelon like myself. That's why you and your ilk are so defensive with me.

Sabotaging your own thread. Talk baseball.

If you don't want to reasonably participate in a really good thread subject. Please don't get involved. Your incompetence won't be missed.

[Talkin' Baseball]

At the trade deadline for the reset. Helsley could get that. And maybe Contreras could if he'd want to go to a serious contender and waive his NTC.

Helsley cannot get that in a return. Why do you think he could? What specific prospect did you have in mind? Be specific

come on, man...he does this for attention. That's all. He will NEVER do any homework on anything. He only wants the responses.

Give it up, Chuck. How's your constant belittling of Burleson going for you? Just keep up your wonderful reporting. And let the analysis/projections up to others like myself. You simply aren't in the same higher level league.

Again with Burleson? We aren't talking about him. Check your shorts you may need a change

Get lost dingbat. You aren't in the big leagues discussing Cardinals baseball with the higher echelon like myself. That's why you and your ilk are so defensive with me.

Sabotaging your own thread. Talk baseball.

Get lost yourself. Your incompetence won't be missed.

Your thread was an interesting topic. It's too that all you want to do is argue with folks. With that, I'm getting lost. Good night, Shady. Hope tomorrow is better for you.

[CorneliusWolfe]

At the trade deadline for the reset. Helsley could get that. And maybe Contreras could if he'd want to go to a serious contender and waive his NTC.

Helsley cannot get that in a return. Why do you think he could? What specific prospect did you have in mind? Be specific

come on, man...he does this for attention. That's all. He will NEVER do any homework on anything. He only wants the responses.

Give it up, Chuck. How's your constant belittling of Burleson going for you? Just keep up your wonderful reporting. And let the analysis/projections up to others like myself. You simply aren't in the same higher level league.

Again with Burleson? We aren't talking about him. Check your shorts you may need a change

Get lost dingbat. You aren't in the big leagues discussing Cardinals baseball with the higher echelon like myself. That's why you and your ilk are so defensive with me.

Sabotaging your own thread. Talk baseball.

Get lost yourself. Your incompetence won't be missed.

Who do you think would be better at shooting skeet? …Roby, Sagesse, or Burly?

[Shady]

At the trade deadline for the reset. Helsley could get that. And maybe Contreras could if he'd want to go to a serious contender and waive his NTC.

Helsley cannot get that in a return. Why do you think he could? What specific prospect did you have in mind? Be specific

come on, man...he does this for attention. That's all. He will NEVER do any homework on anything. He only wants the responses.

Give it up, Chuck. How's your constant belittling of Burleson going for you? Just keep up your wonderful reporting. And let the analysis/projections up to others like myself. You simply aren't in the same higher level league.

Again with Burleson? We aren't talking about him. Check your shorts you may need a change

Get lost dingbat. You aren't in the big leagues discussing Cardinals baseball with the higher echelon like myself. That's why you and your ilk are so defensive with me.

Sabotaging your own thread. Talk baseball.

Get lost yourself. Your incompetence won't be missed.

Who do you think would be better at shooting skeet? …Roby, Sagesse, or Burly?

You may be the dingyesit phucker ever on CT. Are you trying to be this stupid? You have some smarts. But you'd rather be a fricken' jerk. I'm done with your game.

[CorneliusWolfe]

At the trade deadline for the reset. Helsley could get that. And maybe Contreras could if he'd want to go to a serious contender and waive his NTC.

Helsley cannot get that in a return. Why do you think he could? What specific prospect did you have in mind? Be specific

come on, man...he does this for attention. That's all. He will NEVER do any homework on anything. He only wants the responses.

Give it up, Chuck. How's your constant belittling of Burleson going for you? Just keep up your wonderful reporting. And let the analysis/projections up to others like myself. You simply aren't in the same higher level league.

Again with Burleson? We aren't talking about him. Check your shorts you may need a change

Get lost dingbat. You aren't in the big leagues discussing Cardinals baseball with the higher echelon like myself. That's why you and your ilk are so defensive with me.

Sabotaging your own thread. Talk baseball.

Get lost yourself. Your incompetence won't be missed.

Who do you think would be better at shooting skeet? …Roby, Sagesse, or Burly?

You may be the dingyesyt phucker ever on CT. Are you trying to be this stupid?

Thought you didn’t like fowl language…quack quack

[Shady]

I repeat,
Mo must come away with a really good power hitting prospect at the trade deadline. I suggested Helsley could get that. At least one poster disagreed. So maybe some sort of a package. Ex. Helsley, Nootbaar, a young catcher, etc. Or maybe dangle Gorman or Walker in a deal. But Mo needs to acquire a power hitting prospect (preferably an outfielder) for the future. The Cardinals are going to lose some starting pitchers. So maybe picking up a fine pitching prospect to go along with McGreevy, Mathews, Roby, and Hence should also be a target at the trade deadline as well.

[AtillaTheBlue1]

no, sonny gets that and more in a deal

[Cusecards]

It would of course be nice to come away with a young middle of the order bat.
And I could see the Cards putting together a package for a trade.
For me....I’m actually more concerned about the rotation moving forward?
Gray- solid arm
Libby- fingers crossed that he has arrived?
Pallante- I think he provides a solid #5?

After that obviously McGreevy gets his chance.
Fingers crossed with him.
They do have some interesting arms in the minors who could arrive in 2026.
Question? Will they swing a package deal for a starter???

[Shady]

It would of course be nice to come away with a young middle of the order bat.
And I could see the Cards putting together a package for a trade.
For me....I’m actually more concerned about the rotation moving forward?
Gray- solid arm
Libby- fingers crossed that he has arrived?
Pallante- I think he provides a solid #5?

After that obviously McGreevy gets his chance.
Fingers crossed with him.
They do have some interesting arms in the minors who could arrive in 2026.
Question? Will they swing a package deal for a starter???

Let's hope between Mathews, Roby and Hence. At least one comes through to help the rotation next season.

[Shady]

no, sonny gets that and more in a deal

True. But with his NTC, I doubt if Gray will be dealt at the deadline.