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Re: Initial Habs deal was huge according to this

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(bleep), that would have been something!
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Wow if true.

Remove Mattheson or the 1st round pick (preferably Matteson) and the deal would be nice.
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I'm not certain I would have liked that, I don't know a ton about Hage but getting two non-current NHLers and a pick that wouldn't have impact for 1-5 years seems risky.

Kyrou is pretty much a known quantity at this point, Matheson I assume would be included to let the dollars work (UFA at end of season). We still wouldn't have a logical place to play him without blocking Tucker, Kessel, or Leddy.

IMO I think that means the Blues believed that Bolduc had Kyrou level upside if this account has a connection. No issues with the swap yesterday, loved what Bolduc could potentially bring but understand we were overstocked on BPA wingers from the last 5 years of drafts.
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Kilokaai wrote: 02 Jul 2025 11:05 am I'm not certain I would have liked that, I don't know a ton about Hage but getting two non-current NHLers and a pick that wouldn't have impact for 1-5 years seems risky.

Kyrou is pretty much a known quantity at this point, Matheson I assume would be included to let the dollars work (UFA at end of season). We still wouldn't have a logical place to play him without blocking Tucker, Kessel, or Leddy.

IMO I think that means the Blues believed that Bolduc had Kyrou level upside if this account has a connection.
The Habs fans in the comments are hating on it too. Is Hage really that good? I agree that with the first, it is very steep.
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Kilokaai wrote: 02 Jul 2025 11:05 am I'm not certain I would have liked that, I don't know a ton about Hage but getting two non-current NHLers and a pick that wouldn't have impact for 1-5 years seems risky.

Kyrou is pretty much a known quantity at this point, Matheson I assume would be included to let the dollars work (UFA at end of season). We still wouldn't have a logical place to play him without blocking Tucker, Kessel, or Leddy.

IMO I think that means the Blues believed that Bolduc had Kyrou level upside if this account has a connection. No issues with the swap yesterday, loved what Bolduc could potentially bring but understand we were overstocked on BPA wingers from the last 5 years of drafts.
Speaking of...the Canadiens are still over the cap ($1.5M according to capwages). It would've been nice to pick up a player like Jake Evans in the deal with Bolduc (with maybe mid-pick from the Blues).
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MiamiLaw wrote: 02 Jul 2025 11:07 am
Kilokaai wrote: 02 Jul 2025 11:05 am I'm not certain I would have liked that, I don't know a ton about Hage but getting two non-current NHLers and a pick that wouldn't have impact for 1-5 years seems risky.

Kyrou is pretty much a known quantity at this point, Matheson I assume would be included to let the dollars work (UFA at end of season). We still wouldn't have a logical place to play him without blocking Tucker, Kessel, or Leddy.

IMO I think that means the Blues believed that Bolduc had Kyrou level upside if this account has a connection.
The Habs fans in the comments are hating on it too. Is Hage really that good? I agree that with the first, it is very steep.
My guess would be that it was basically Kyrou for Hage/Mailloux and then to take Matheson we asked for more (1st) or something similar. Still can't say that would be been a good trade in my eyes. Just not seeing the payoff for letting Kyrou go for non-nhl talent, that contract will look really nice in a few years.
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MiamiLaw wrote: 02 Jul 2025 11:07 am
Kilokaai wrote: 02 Jul 2025 11:05 am I'm not certain I would have liked that, I don't know a ton about Hage but getting two non-current NHLers and a pick that wouldn't have impact for 1-5 years seems risky.

Kyrou is pretty much a known quantity at this point, Matheson I assume would be included to let the dollars work (UFA at end of season). We still wouldn't have a logical place to play him without blocking Tucker, Kessel, or Leddy.

IMO I think that means the Blues believed that Bolduc had Kyrou level upside if this account has a connection.
The Habs fans in the comments are hating on it too. Is Hage really that good? I agree that with the first, it is very steep.
"Hage is a dynamic rush attacker, combining inside drives, flashy dekes, and give-and-go playmaking. A crossover burst gets defenders’ feet moving, then he looks for vulnerabilities. He fakes wide, cuts in, and accelerates to the net. -EliteProspects 2024 NHL Draft Guide"

2024 1st rounder #21 selected overall

https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/5 ... chael-hage
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succinct712 wrote: 02 Jul 2025 11:14 am
MiamiLaw wrote: 02 Jul 2025 11:07 am
Kilokaai wrote: 02 Jul 2025 11:05 am I'm not certain I would have liked that, I don't know a ton about Hage but getting two non-current NHLers and a pick that wouldn't have impact for 1-5 years seems risky.

Kyrou is pretty much a known quantity at this point, Matheson I assume would be included to let the dollars work (UFA at end of season). We still wouldn't have a logical place to play him without blocking Tucker, Kessel, or Leddy.

IMO I think that means the Blues believed that Bolduc had Kyrou level upside if this account has a connection.
The Habs fans in the comments are hating on it too. Is Hage really that good? I agree that with the first, it is very steep.
"Hage is a dynamic rush attacker, combining inside drives, flashy dekes, and give-and-go playmaking. A crossover burst gets defenders’ feet moving, then he looks for vulnerabilities. He fakes wide, cuts in, and accelerates to the net. -EliteProspects 2024 NHL Draft Guide"

2024 1st rounder #21 selected overall

https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/5 ... chael-hage
FWIW, Craig Button had him below both Dvorksy and Lindstein 4 months ago. Seems like a good add but at the expense of Kyrou seems steep to me.

https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/montreal-canadie ... -1.2248370
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This actually sounds more like an Army deal. But does anyone know anything about this site/source? Decent number of followers, but I have no clue about the track record.
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Kilokaai wrote: 02 Jul 2025 11:18 am
succinct712 wrote: 02 Jul 2025 11:14 am
MiamiLaw wrote: 02 Jul 2025 11:07 am
Kilokaai wrote: 02 Jul 2025 11:05 am I'm not certain I would have liked that, I don't know a ton about Hage but getting two non-current NHLers and a pick that wouldn't have impact for 1-5 years seems risky.

Kyrou is pretty much a known quantity at this point, Matheson I assume would be included to let the dollars work (UFA at end of season). We still wouldn't have a logical place to play him without blocking Tucker, Kessel, or Leddy.

IMO I think that means the Blues believed that Bolduc had Kyrou level upside if this account has a connection.
The Habs fans in the comments are hating on it too. Is Hage really that good? I agree that with the first, it is very steep.
"Hage is a dynamic rush attacker, combining inside drives, flashy dekes, and give-and-go playmaking. A crossover burst gets defenders’ feet moving, then he looks for vulnerabilities. He fakes wide, cuts in, and accelerates to the net. -EliteProspects 2024 NHL Draft Guide"

2024 1st rounder #21 selected overall

https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/5 ... chael-hage
FWIW, Craig Button had him below both Dvorksy and Lindstein 4 months ago. Seems like a good add but at the expense of Kyrou seems steep to me.

https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/montreal-canadie ... -1.2248370
Yeah, I'm not saying it would have been a good or bad deal for the Blues just highlighting the facts.
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Frank Underwood wrote: 02 Jul 2025 11:20 am This actually sounds more like an Army deal. But does anyone know anything about this site/source? Decent number of followers, but I have no clue about the track record.
I've seen a lot of "leaks" from this account, I don't recall any of them coming to fruition but they are all pretty plausible. I think they did hit on one pretty early in the accounts life IIRC but it's been pretty much all rumors or after the fact notes since.
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That account is garbage.

That said, the Blues were absolutely trying to move Kyrou AND when Mailloux hits his prime in 2-3 years, Bolduc will be the better player than Kyrou.

It was a desperation move by Armstrong and I firmly believe it was a below average trade compared to what could/should have been done.
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WilliamWestcliffe wrote: 02 Jul 2025 12:30 pm That account is garbage.

That said, the Blues were absolutely trying to move Kyrou AND when Mailloux hits his prime in 2-3 years, Bolduc will be the better player than Kyrou.

It was a desperation move by Armstrong and I firmly believe it was a below average trade compared to what could/should have been done.
ok what are you basing that on?
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TheJackBurton wrote: 02 Jul 2025 16:12 pm
WilliamWestcliffe wrote: 02 Jul 2025 12:30 pm That account is garbage.

That said, the Blues were absolutely trying to move Kyrou AND when Mailloux hits his prime in 2-3 years, Bolduc will be the better player than Kyrou.

It was a desperation move by Armstrong and I firmly believe it was a below average trade compared to what could/should have been done.
ok what are you basing that on?
Other than observation?

We can compare their draft slot:
J.Kyrou 35th overall (2nd round)
Z.Bolduc 17th overall (drafted higher than T.Thompson, J.Kyrou, R.Thomas, J.Neighbors, J.Snuggerud, O.Stenberg, T.Lindstein and J.Carbonneau

We can compare their age:
J.Kyrou - 27 years old
Z.Bolduc - 22 years old

We can compare their age 22 seasons (I'll even give you Kyrou's extrapolated to 72 games):
J.Kyrou - age 22 | 28 gp | 4 g | 9 pts | +1
J.Kyrou - age 22 | 72 gp | 10 g | 23 pts | +1
Z.Bolduc- age 22 | 72 gp | 19 g | 36 pts | +20

You may argue "what about their first full rookie seasons?". Sure:
J.Kyrou - age 24 | 74 gp | 27 g | 75 pts | +10 *playing w/ R.Thomas and P.Buchnevich
Z.Bolduc - age 22 | 72 gp | 19 g | 36 pts | +20 *playing w/ O.Sundqvist and M.Joseph

So, yes, in my opinion, comparing rookie seasons, with Kyrou being 2 years older, playing with Thomas and Buchnevich vs. Sundqvist and Joseph, and playing on average 4 more minutes per night...I think Bolduc has both the draft capital and the type of rookie season that tells me in 2-3 more years, he will be the better player than a 30 year old Jordan Kyrou.
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Kyrou must want out so bad
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