Willson is (upset) that Cards don’t retaliate

[Goldfan]

Would have greater impact if Cardinal pitchers started throwing at Cardinal batters and Marmot. Lack of production and in game strategy is self evident.

What strategy did Oli not employ? Enlighten me please.

Squeeze play in the 9th w/VSII?

Have you seen MLB players bunt? Have you seen Argo's horrible attempts?

I suspect the team knows they blow at bunting. How many squeeze plays occur in MLB? Bunting is a lost art throughout the league.

VSII can bunt

[scoutyjones2]

Would have greater impact if Cardinal pitchers started throwing at Cardinal batters and Marmot. Lack of production and in game strategy is self evident.

What strategy did Oli not employ? Enlighten me please.

Squeeze play in the 9th w/VSII?

Have you seen MLB players bunt? Have you seen Argo's horrible attempts?

I suspect the team knows they blow at bunting. How many squeeze plays occur in MLB? Bunting is a lost art throughout the league.

VSII can bunt

Not competently

[Cusecards]

Spot on!
You can’t let a collection of stiffs push you around!

a little help please..

which team is the collection of stiffs???

Uh oh.....

[BrummerStealsHome]

Yes, retaliate and put a runner on base in a game that was decided 1-0. That makes a lot of sense.

But tomorrow perhaps could be fair game. I just think it would have been stupid to intentionally put a player on base today.

That was implied in the thread, maybe read a little closer

Title says that Willson is upset that the Cardinals don’t retaliate. That implies he’s upset that we didn’t retaliate tonight.

And he's right. Pallante should have plunked a batter the very next inning. And so what if he put a runner on base in a scoreless game? I can guarandamntee you the game would have played out differently after that. You DO NOT hold back on doing something you have to do because you are scared of putting someone on base.

[RunSup]

Absolutely. Oneil Cruz needed to hit the dirt after Skenes hit Contreras. The fact that no Cardinal pitcher responded was weak. Not even pitching inside.

Libby ought to make a statement to Skenes and Pirates today with the first pitch to Cruz. If the Cardinals don't respond they get what they deserve.

[Futuregm2]

Would have greater impact if Cardinal pitchers started throwing at Cardinal batters and Marmot. Lack of production and in game strategy is self evident.

What strategy did Oli not employ? Enlighten me please.

Squeeze play in the 9th w/VSII?

Have you seen MLB players bunt? Have you seen Argo's horrible attempts?

I suspect the team knows they blow at bunting. How many squeeze plays occur in MLB? Bunting is a lost art throughout the league.

VSII can bunt

Lol

[sikeston bulldog2]

Absolutely. Oneil Cruz needed to hit the dirt after Skenes hit Contreras. The fact that no Cardinal pitcher responded was weak. Not even pitching inside.

Libby ought to make a statement to Skenes and Pirates today with the first pitch to Cruz. If the Cardinals don't respond they get what they deserve.

Hitting a player on purpose regardless of the situation requires strategy. Not just something you do daily. Hit a human.

So with strategy in mind, the hit must come at the least impactful moment in a game, say a blow out.

Or just let it go. A win is worth much more than spiteful retaliation. It’s like two wins.

[BrummerStealsHome]

Absolutely. Oneil Cruz needed to hit the dirt after Skenes hit Contreras. The fact that no Cardinal pitcher responded was weak. Not even pitching inside.

Libby ought to make a statement to Skenes and Pirates today with the first pitch to Cruz. If the Cardinals don't respond they get what they deserve.

Hitting a player on purpose regardless of the situation requires strategy. Not just something you do daily. Hit a human.

So with strategy in mind, the hit must come at the least impactful moment in a game, say a blow out.

Or just let it go. A win is worth much more than spiteful retaliation. It’s like two wins.

But it isn't about the game, per se. Contreras keeps getting buzzed and hit because other teams know the Cardinals are wimps and won't retaliate. Change that perception and Contreras starts getting pitched differently. And he's less likely to get hurt.

[rockondlouie]

Would have greater impact if Cardinal pitchers started throwing at Cardinal batters and Marmot. Lack of production and in game strategy is self evident.

What strategy did Oli not employ? Enlighten me please.

Squeeze play in the 9th w/VSII?

Have you seen MLB players bunt? Have you seen Argo's horrible attempts?

I suspect the team knows they blow at bunting. How many squeeze plays occur in MLB? Bunting is a lost art throughout the league.

When he squares quickly, he's good at it. When he tries to disguise it and squares late, he's not.

On a squeeze w/even a decent runner like Fermin the odds are strong he walks home since he's coming full tilt and all you have to do is put the bunt in play.

But strategic thinking evades Oli so I didn't think he'd use it.

[RunSup]

Absolutely. Oneil Cruz needed to hit the dirt after Skenes hit Contreras. The fact that no Cardinal pitcher responded was weak. Not even pitching inside.

Libby ought to make a statement to Skenes and Pirates today with the first pitch to Cruz. If the Cardinals don't respond they get what they deserve.

Hitting a player on purpose regardless of the situation requires strategy. Not just something you do daily. Hit a human.

So with strategy in mind, the hit must come at the least impactful moment in a game, say a blow out.

Or just let it go. A win is worth much more than spiteful retaliation. It’s like two wins.

Nope. Not in this case. You defend your hitters and put an end to the nonsense. That is the strategic thinking in play.

Skenes doesn't bat and have to face his own music. So you put their best player on the dirt and bring on the subsequent scrum.

All done strategically. The Cardinals folded like a used Kleenex last night. Are they a team or not? Do they stand up for each other or not? These questions get asked and answered today.

[sikeston bulldog2]

Absolutely. Oneil Cruz needed to hit the dirt after Skenes hit Contreras. The fact that no Cardinal pitcher responded was weak. Not even pitching inside.

Libby ought to make a statement to Skenes and Pirates today with the first pitch to Cruz. If the Cardinals don't respond they get what they deserve.

Hitting a player on purpose regardless of the situation requires strategy. Not just something you do daily. Hit a human.

So with strategy in mind, the hit must come at the least impactful moment in a game, say a blow out.

Or just let it go. A win is worth much more than spiteful retaliation. It’s like two wins.

Nope. Not in this case. You defend your hitters and put an end to the nonsense. That is the strategic thinking in play.

Skenes doesn't bat and have to face his own music. So you put their best player on the dirt and bring on the subsequent scrum.

All done strategically. The Cardinals folded like a used Kleenex last night. Are they a team or not? Do they stand up for each other or not? These questions get asked and answered today.

You could also wait till he next Skenes game. Not saying it shouldn’t happen. Am concerned with timing.

[RunSup]

Absolutely. Oneil Cruz needed to hit the dirt after Skenes hit Contreras. The fact that no Cardinal pitcher responded was weak. Not even pitching inside.

Libby ought to make a statement to Skenes and Pirates today with the first pitch to Cruz. If the Cardinals don't respond they get what they deserve.

Hitting a player on purpose regardless of the situation requires strategy. Not just something you do daily. Hit a human.

So with strategy in mind, the hit must come at the least impactful moment in a game, say a blow out.

Or just let it go. A win is worth much more than spiteful retaliation. It’s like two wins.

Nope. Not in this case. You defend your hitters and put an end to the nonsense. That is the strategic thinking in play.

Skenes doesn't bat and have to face his own music. So you put their best player on the dirt and bring on the subsequent scrum.

All done strategically. The Cardinals folded like a used Kleenex last night. Are they a team or not? Do they stand up for each other or not? These questions get asked and answered today.

You could also wait till he next Skenes game. Not saying it shouldn’t happen. Am concerned with timing.

It's Gray today not Libby, sorry. Gray is a vet and should know what to do.

I think you have to make a statement today in the first inning. Just for the team spirit. WC cannot be the only one with fire in his belly.

If there is a scrum and ejections today, so be it.

[CorneliusWolfe]

Absolutely. Oneil Cruz needed to hit the dirt after Skenes hit Contreras. The fact that no Cardinal pitcher responded was weak. Not even pitching inside.

Libby ought to make a statement to Skenes and Pirates today with the first pitch to Cruz. If the Cardinals don't respond they get what they deserve.

Hitting a player on purpose regardless of the situation requires strategy. Not just something you do daily. Hit a human.

So with strategy in mind, the hit must come at the least impactful moment in a game, say a blow out.

Or just let it go. A win is worth much more than spiteful retaliation. It’s like two wins.

But it isn't about the game, per se. Contreras keeps getting buzzed and hit because other teams know the Cardinals are wimps and won't retaliate. Change that perception and Contreras starts getting pitched differently. And he's less likely to get hurt.

Not a fan of purposeful hitting, but that is the strongest argument I’ve heard in favor of it.

Worst thing about DH is a pitcher can hit a guy purposely, then go hide out in the dugout and never have to stand in the box himself.

How about a rule that when a pitcher hits a guy, he has to take the next DH at-bat?

[scoutyjones2]

Would have greater impact if Cardinal pitchers started throwing at Cardinal batters and Marmot. Lack of production and in game strategy is self evident.

What strategy did Oli not employ? Enlighten me please.

Squeeze play in the 9th w/VSII?

Have you seen MLB players bunt? Have you seen Argo's horrible attempts?

I suspect the team knows they blow at bunting. How many squeeze plays occur in MLB? Bunting is a lost art throughout the league.

When he squares quickly, he's good at it. When he tries to disguise it and squares late, he's not.

On a squeeze w/even a decent runner like Fermin the odds are strong he walks home since he's coming full tilt and all you have to do is put the bunt in play.

But strategic thinking evades Oli so I didn't think he'd use it.

no, they like al of MLB, suck at it...And a suicide squeeze is last second presentation. high failure rates.

Simply getting these [shirt]ty hitters to pop up to the outfield is the best and easiest way...

[rockondlouie]

Would have greater impact if Cardinal pitchers started throwing at Cardinal batters and Marmot. Lack of production and in game strategy is self evident.

What strategy did Oli not employ? Enlighten me please.

Squeeze play in the 9th w/VSII?

Have you seen MLB players bunt? Have you seen Argo's horrible attempts?

I suspect the team knows they blow at bunting. How many squeeze plays occur in MLB? Bunting is a lost art throughout the league.

When he squares quickly, he's good at it. When he tries to disguise it and squares late, he's not.

On a squeeze w/even a decent runner like Fermin the odds are strong he walks home since he's coming full tilt and all you have to do is put the bunt in play.

But strategic thinking evades Oli so I didn't think he'd use it.

no, they like al of MLB, suck at it...And a suicide squeeze is last second presentation. high failure rates.

Simply getting these [shirt]ty hitters to pop up to the outfield is the best and easiest way...

Actually high success rate as long as the hitter gets the bunt down.

[jcgmoi]

If you're gonna hit a guy, if you're really looking to mix it up, go all the way and hit Pham.