Logan Mailloux is coming!!

[zuck698]

This case reminds me a bit of the Doug Gilmour in the late 80s.

Gilmour had to leave the Blues to start over based on his personal conduct. Gilmour turned out alright after his bad decision.

I am not really sure Dougy made a "bad decision", as history eventually proved out!

[Frank Underwood]

Good GM’s know how to build teams. “Not so good” GM’s collect players and shiny toys.

Dubas had all the talent in the world, but never built a TEAM in Toronto that could succeed in the playoffs. He absolutely refused to trade one of his shiny toys to address their obvious needs and they have never succeeded in the playoffs. We’ll see if he’s any better in Pittsburgh.

Yzerman, widely regarded as a good GM, had the benefit of a lot of very high draft picks and collected a lot of talent in Tampa, but he never built a team that could win in the playoffs. Only after he left did Tampa make those moves and win. Yzerman has now been in Detroit for several years, has had a bunch of high draft picks, has collected a ton of talent, but still can’t get over the hump. I know some of you will take issue that I don’t revere “Stevie”, but he has not succeeded.

Army knows the Blues will never succeed in the playoffs if he doesn’t fix certain holes. Right D is the most glaring hole we have. Hopefully Jiricek stays healthy and becomes a force, and hopefully Mailloux achieves his potential. If so, we will have a very strong defense on both sides.

I hate trading Bolduc….as in really hate it. But we have one area of significant depth and that is on the wing. We have two or three more guys that could make the jump to the NHL a year from now, and Carbonneau might only be two years away. So I hate trading Bolduc, but I get why it happened. If Mailloux becomes a solid top 4 defenseman, then the Blues will be in very good shape. Did Army take a risk? Sure, but where else is a RHD going to come from?

[Walter Sobchak00]

Do people forget Bolduc was healthy scratched ~10 times last season.. had 1 point in 7 playoff games and took two terrible penalties?

Buchneveich … a veteran was awful and blew the series for the Blues. Now what?

A 21/22 year old playing 70+ games and scoring 20 goals averaging 12 minutes. 100+ hits.

You understand this is impressive right?

I understand you need a life and aren't interested in actually talking hockey.

Scratched 10 times

Laughing

Live look?

[theograce]

Do people forget Bolduc was healthy scratched ~10 times last season.. had 1 point in 7 playoff games and took two terrible penalties?

Buchneveich … a veteran was awful and blew the series for the Blues. Now what?

A 21/22 year old playing 70+ games and scoring 20 goals averaging 12 minutes. 100+ hits.

You understand this is impressive right?

I understand you need a life and aren't interested in actually talking hockey.

Scratched 10 times

Laughing

Live look?

From bragging about talking hockey to searching images and not talking hockey

Scratched 10 times

Hahahah

[dhsux]

We can't do the "we need to trade for a right handed Dman" then when Army does immediately go "not like that"

Why? Just because the Blues are weak at RHD, the team gets carte blanche to make whatever trade they want and is beyond analysis as to value? I think this is just gatekeeping to prevent dissent.

It's a gamble. The Blues took on more risk. I don't see how you deny either of those two things.

They have a high paid staff that discusses these things in detail. They believe in the kid...thats all that matters. Why don't you believe in him? What is your reasoning? Because he's a 22 year old dman with limited NHL experience?

It's not that I don't believe in him. I am not qualified to say much about him because I've never seen him play. My issue here is solely based on the trade itself. Trading a player in Bolduc that I viewed as very promising and who showed a lot of valuable tools over an extended NHL period for a guy that is still basically unproven is not ideal to me. The Blues were not backed into a corner here. If it was Stenberg, I honestly wouldn't have batted an eye (though some seem to think otherwise as far as his value).

I hope LM kills it of course. I am judging this only in the trade context.

I think in your prior post calling it some kind of possible "carte blanche " move was a bit strange.

I agree with you on Zac and where he surely looks to be going but I won't drag DA and staff down suggesting they needed to just try something.

I'm pretty numb on this thing but I do take solace that this trade was anything but a carte blanche move for DA.

I take his evaluations very seriously.

[Barksdale's People]

Bottom line: If LM was as valuable as some here are now saying he is, Habs fans would be saying what a lot of the people supporting the trade are saying here: “gotta give to get”; “hate to lose LM but Bolduc has a ton of upside”; etc.

Go to the MTL boards and see if you see that.

Montreal fans thought they’d get Kyrou for Mike Matheson and Kirby Dach. Forgive me for not trusting their fans opinions above anyone else’s.

They know much more about him than almost all of us

So where do NHL GMs and scouts fit into it? Less than the folks on Habs boards?

Yea but still…

Big fan of Bolduc but I understand the deal. That’s really all I can say for certain today.

[Aesa]

Do people forget Bolduc was healthy scratched ~10 times last season.. had 1 point in 7 playoff games and took two terrible penalties?

Buchneveich … a veteran was awful and blew the series for the Blues. Now what?

A 21/22 year old playing 70+ games and scoring 20 goals averaging 12 minutes. 100+ hits.

You understand this is impressive right?

I understand you need a life and aren't interested in actually talking hockey.

Scratched 10 times

Laughing

Live look?

Close but the poster should be on the ceiling over his bed.

[theograce]

I take his evaluations very seriously.

I bet

[dhsux]

Jack - Habs fans, that have seen LM play actual NHL minutes and know more about him than 99% of the people on this board are almost universally thrilled by this trade.

Do the good folks of MTL not know about RHD scarcity? No. They’re thrilled because they view Bolduc as the more valuable player. Regardless of need, if they lost someone they all thought was going to be a great player, they would not be dancing.

St Louis fans, at teh time, were thrilled with the ROR trade too. Me included.

This could well be a great hockey trade.

And "fans" over DA and staff?

OK.

[bluetunehead]

There were no RHDs younger than Mailloux (and only 2 LHDs) that played 30 games in the NHL last year, in case folks are wondering how his development paces with his peers. Defensemen that young are just not common these days.

[sdaltons]

Sounds like NYR is going to trade K Miller to the Canes for picks. But we lost Bolduc for an AHL gamble...honestly, I hate this trade more and more by the minute.

Miller is a lefty

So just being right handed makes 8-game Mailloux significantly more valuable than a proven, young, Top 4 NHL dman like Miller? It is very hard for me to defend this trade at the moment. In hindsight, it may work out but it is still dumb.

This trade is getting HAMMERED in the hockey online forums as a big win for the Habs and loss for the Blues.

Miller going for a 1st, 2nd, and prospect. Oh and getting 8 years and $60 mil. Oh and he plays in a spot where we already have a lot of depth.

But sure, it would have been better to grab him.

This trade getting laughed at across the hockey world worries me more than anything. Just awful

Lol that's simply not happening

[dhsux]

Good GM’s know how to build teams. “Not so good” GM’s collect players and shiny toys.

Dubas had all the talent in the world, but never built a TEAM in Toronto that could succeed in the playoffs. He absolutely refused to trade one of his shiny toys to address their obvious needs and they have never succeeded in the playoffs. We’ll see if he’s any better in Pittsburgh.

Yzerman, widely regarded as a good GM, had the benefit of a lot of very high draft picks and collected a lot of talent in Tampa, but he never built a team that could win in the playoffs. Only after he left did Tampa make those moves and win. Yzerman has now been in Detroit for several years, has had a bunch of high draft picks, has collected a ton of talent, but still can’t get over the hump. I know some of you will take issue that I don’t revere “Stevie”, but he has not succeeded.

Army knows the Blues will never succeed in the playoffs if he doesn’t fix certain holes. Right D is the most glaring hole we have. Hopefully Jiricek stays healthy and becomes a force, and hopefully Mailloux achieves his potential. If so, we will have a very strong defense on both sides.

I hate trading Bolduc….as in really hate it. But we have one area of significant depth and that is on the wing. We have two or three more guys that could make the jump to the NHL a year from now, and Carbonneau might only be two years away. So I hate trading Bolduc, but I get why it happened. If Mailloux becomes a solid top 4 defenseman, then the Blues will be in very good shape. Did Army take a risk? Sure, but where else is a RHD going to come from?

Does Doug even think he took a risk?

I'm betting he doesn't.

And I HATE losing Zack.

[somni]

Good discussion guys.

A couple of thoughts. Bolduc was slotted for the 3rd line RW. Kyrou and Snuggerud are ahead of him. The room on wingers is packed (or getting packed).

Why is the K'Andre Miller deal being discussed. He's at a different stage of his career. And I wouldn't trust anything the Rangers do.

This was a painful trade but the Blues are now more balanced. The prospects are about ready to compete for the openings. I also think Army isn't quite done yet either.

[dhsux]

I understand you need a life and aren't interested in actually talking hockey.

Anyone here listening to the banned Blues hating clown can see how happy he is to bash way.

This IS HIS LIFE by the way. He loves to see a split board more than anything.

It's like Christmas morning for him when his little brother didn't get the toy he wanted.

[skilles]

I sure wish someone would have suggested this trade on here yesterday so we could see the non homer opinions of it.

[Frank Underwood]

Good GM’s know how to build teams. “Not so good” GM’s collect players and shiny toys.

Dubas had all the talent in the world, but never built a TEAM in Toronto that could succeed in the playoffs. He absolutely refused to trade one of his shiny toys to address their obvious needs and they have never succeeded in the playoffs. We’ll see if he’s any better in Pittsburgh.

Yzerman, widely regarded as a good GM, had the benefit of a lot of very high draft picks and collected a lot of talent in Tampa, but he never built a team that could win in the playoffs. Only after he left did Tampa make those moves and win. Yzerman has now been in Detroit for several years, has had a bunch of high draft picks, has collected a ton of talent, but still can’t get over the hump. I know some of you will take issue that I don’t revere “Stevie”, but he has not succeeded.

Army knows the Blues will never succeed in the playoffs if he doesn’t fix certain holes. Right D is the most glaring hole we have. Hopefully Jiricek stays healthy and becomes a force, and hopefully Mailloux achieves his potential. If so, we will have a very strong defense on both sides.

I hate trading Bolduc….as in really hate it. But we have one area of significant depth and that is on the wing. We have two or three more guys that could make the jump to the NHL a year from now, and Carbonneau might only be two years away. So I hate trading Bolduc, but I get why it happened. If Mailloux becomes a solid top 4 defenseman, then the Blues will be in very good shape. Did Army take a risk? Sure, but where else is a RHD going to come from?

Does Doug even think he took a risk?

I'm betting he doesn't.

And I HATE losing Zack.

Yeah, that’s a good point dhsux. Army is confident and he trusts his scouts. That’s a good thing. Based on how they have drafted in recent years (this is basically the same thing), I feel very good that Mailloux will work out very well.