Twitter lighting up Mike Shildt

[AtillaTheBlue1]

Cards have a better record than the Pads even though they have that gigantic payroll - Mikey's seat is getting hottt!

mlb is bad from top 4-5 if that all the way down.

Padres are in a 10x better division. LOL, the NL Central is and has been a joke.

[ScotchMIrish]

Cards have a better record than the Pads even though they have that gigantic payroll - Mikey's seat is getting hottt!

mlb is bad from top 4-5 if that all the way down.

Padres are in a 10x better division. LOL, the NL Central is and has been a joke.

I thought they should have kept Matheny but in fairness to Shildt the Padres are 8th in MLB in injured payroll at $46 million. Cardinals have the lowest injured payroll at $2 million which explains why they are exceeding preseason expectations.

https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/payroll

[dugoutrex]

good kitty

[ClassicO]

Cards have a better record than the Pads even though they have that gigantic payroll - Mikey's seat is getting hottt!

mlb is bad from top 4-5 if that all the way down.

Padres are in a 10x better division. LOL, the NL Central is and has been a joke.

I thought they should have kept Matheny but in fairness to Shildt the Padres are 8th in MLB in injured payroll at $46 million. Cardinals have the lowest injured payroll at $2 million which explains why they are exceeding preseason expectations.

https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/payroll

Good stuff, thanks.

[cardstatman]

Cards have a better record than the Pads even though they have that gigantic payroll - Mikey's seat is getting hottt!

mlb is bad from top 4-5 if that all the way down.

Padres are in a 10x better division. LOL, the NL Central is and has been a joke.

The Rockies are the joke and they reside in the NL West.

The NL Central has won 21 games more than they have lost.
The NL West has lost 14 more games than they have won.

[woofy25]

CT loves Bubbles, detests Oli...and yet

I like Shilt, bc he makes the playoffs pretty much every season he has been a big league manager and wins a minimum of 90 games sans COVID. He's ranked 33rd all time in winning % for a manager. He could manage my club if I owned a franchise. Not good enough for the Cardinals though.

Small sample size and he inherited the job both in St Louis and San Diego from managers who had winning records. It's not like he took the Pirates to the playoffs. $200 million payroll in San Diego.

Small sample size, but he's 5 for 5 so far. I'll take my chances with that resume.
I didn't know there was a qualifier of having to take the Pirates of the world to the playoffs to be considered a good manager. In that case, your pool of good managers is awfully small.

[ScotchMIrish]

CT loves Bubbles, detests Oli...and yet

I like Shilt, bc he makes the playoffs pretty much every season he has been a big league manager and wins a minimum of 90 games sans COVID. He's ranked 33rd all time in winning % for a manager. He could manage my club if I owned a franchise. Not good enough for the Cardinals though.

Small sample size and he inherited the job both in St Louis and San Diego from managers who had winning records. It's not like he took the Pirates to the playoffs. $200 million payroll in San Diego.

Small sample size, but he's 5 for 5 so far. I'll take my chances with that resume.
I didn't know there was a qualifier of having to take the Pirates of the world to the playoffs to be considered a good manager. In that case, your pool of good managers is awfully small.

Matheny had 6 consecutive winning seasons and had a winning record in his 7th season when he was fired prior to Shildt taking over. Melvin had 2 winning seasons in SD prior to Shildt taking over.

My understanding of why he got fired was he went on a local radio show after the season and said he did as good as he could considering the talent he was given. I didn't hear the interview but that was widely reported at the time.

Having said that do you think Matheny should have been fired? Final full season the team averaged 42,000 a game. Never had a losing season.

[woofy25]

CT loves Bubbles, detests Oli...and yet

I like Shilt, bc he makes the playoffs pretty much every season he has been a big league manager and wins a minimum of 90 games sans COVID. He's ranked 33rd all time in winning % for a manager. He could manage my club if I owned a franchise. Not good enough for the Cardinals though.

Small sample size and he inherited the job both in St Louis and San Diego from managers who had winning records. It's not like he took the Pirates to the playoffs. $200 million payroll in San Diego.

Small sample size, but he's 5 for 5 so far. I'll take my chances with that resume.
I didn't know there was a qualifier of having to take the Pirates of the world to the playoffs to be considered a good manager. In that case, your pool of good managers is awfully small.

Matheny had 6 consecutive winning seasons and had a winning record in his 7th season when he was fired prior to Shildt taking over. Melvin had 2 winning seasons in SD prior to Shildt taking over.

My understanding of why he got fired was he went on a local radio show after the season and said he did as good as he could considering the talent he was given. I didn't hear the interview but that was widely reported at the time.

Having said that do you think Matheny should have been fired? Final full season the team averaged 42,000 a game. Never had a losing season.

Matheny took over a WS champion, granted sans Pujols. He still had a playoff caliber team and did just that. You have to give him some credit for making the playoffs his first four seasons. He didn't screw it up too bad. The wheels started coming off, though, in 2017 and everyone could see it. The fundamentals had fallen apart by mid-2018. That is when the "Cardinal Way" vernacular started getting popular again. At least, that is my recollection. Since the Cardinals used to have high standards, they took action when Matheny's team was no longer meeting them. I applauded the Cardinals for making the move, and Shilt took the team from 47-46 to 88-74 and immediately turned around bad defense and baserunning. No, I don't have stats to back that up, only memories of watching the games, listening to commentary and talking to friends about the turnaround.

I don't know for sure that the reason for Shilt's firing has ever been made official. If your account is correct, which is similar to others' accounts, then the Cardinals FO needs a lot thicker skin. The firing of Shildt was the last straw for a previously strong organization. They became too arrogant for their own good and it showed in firing a perfectly capable manager and in the lack of investment in development.

[ScotchMIrish]

CT loves Bubbles, detests Oli...and yet

I like Shilt, bc he makes the playoffs pretty much every season he has been a big league manager and wins a minimum of 90 games sans COVID. He's ranked 33rd all time in winning % for a manager. He could manage my club if I owned a franchise. Not good enough for the Cardinals though.

Small sample size and he inherited the job both in St Louis and San Diego from managers who had winning records. It's not like he took the Pirates to the playoffs. $200 million payroll in San Diego.

Small sample size, but he's 5 for 5 so far. I'll take my chances with that resume.
I didn't know there was a qualifier of having to take the Pirates of the world to the playoffs to be considered a good manager. In that case, your pool of good managers is awfully small.

Matheny had 6 consecutive winning seasons and had a winning record in his 7th season when he was fired prior to Shildt taking over. Melvin had 2 winning seasons in SD prior to Shildt taking over.

My understanding of why he got fired was he went on a local radio show after the season and said he did as good as he could considering the talent he was given. I didn't hear the interview but that was widely reported at the time.

Having said that do you think Matheny should have been fired? Final full season the team averaged 42,000 a game. Never had a losing season.

Matheny took over a WS champion, granted sans Pujols. He still had a playoff caliber team and did just that. You have to give him some credit for making the playoffs his first four seasons. He didn't screw it up too bad. The wheels started coming off, though, in 2017 and everyone could see it. The fundamentals had fallen apart by mid-2018. That is when the "Cardinal Way" vernacular started getting popular again. At least, that is my recollection. Since the Cardinals used to have high standards, they took action when Matheny's team was no longer meeting them. I applauded the Cardinals for making the move, and Shilt took the team from 47-46 to 88-74 and immediately turned around bad defense and baserunning. No, I don't have stats to back that up, only memories of watching the games, listening to commentary and talking to friends about the turnaround.

I don't know for sure that the reason for Shilt's firing has ever been made official. If your account is correct, which is similar to others' accounts, then the Cardinals FO needs a lot thicker skin. The firing of Shildt was the last straw for a previously strong organization. They became too arrogant for their own good and it showed in firing a perfectly capable manager and in the lack of investment in development.

LaRussa's final 6 seasons with Pujols
2006 - 83
2007 - 78
2008 - 86
2009 - 91
2010 - 86
2011 - 90
________
514

Matheny's 6 seasons without Pujols
2012 - 88
2013 - 97
2014 - 90
2015 - 100
2016 - 86
2017 - 83
________
544

LaRussa's first 6 seasons without Pujols
1996 - 88
1997 - 73
1998 - 83
1999 - 75
2000 - 95
2001 - 93
________
507

6 seasons after Matheny
2019 - 91
covid 30-28 extrapolate to 162 = 84
2021 - 90
2022 - 93
2023 - 71
2024 - 83
________
512

The last manager to take the Cardinals to the world series without Pujols on the roster since Herzog 1987 - Matheny.

I don't understand the dislike for Matheny.