The Cardinals with Kyle Tucker.

[Cranny]

So, you would like to spend like the Dodgers, Mets, Yankees, Phillies, etc.?

You know who else cries poor all the time? The Pirates, Reds, Marlins, etc etc. What do these teams have in common? They don't pony up on the payroll. No one is saying to spend $350 million like the Dodgers, but come on, cutting payroll when you're already way below the luxury tax threshold? This has been beaten to death already. They're being cheap. And cheap in the MLB gets you jack cht.

They're actually giving some talented young players a chance to succeed. Pretty exciting to see, and working fairly well so far. You should watch the interview with Cerfolio that was posted on here. It was revealing.

I love young players succeeding. But those young players eventually have to be paid. Here's where you have perennial losers show up. They can't keep the stars they grow, pardon me, they WON'T keep the players they grow. That being said, where you become an elite team is plugging in a superstar here or there. It only takes a couple to lift a team to championship status. The best way is to sign a top tier pitcher or two if you can get lucky and sign them.

The Cards like to first see how a player fits in with teammates, manager, coaches, the front office, fans, the St. Louis Community, etc. Look to the Matt Holliday model. That’s the key. Bloom and Cerfolio feel the same way.

I don't care if they live in the community or screw the neighbor's dog. I only care about the Cards winning. Nothing else matters. I don't watch the games because they're good neighbor's or fabulous people. That's just a silly way to load up a ballclub. Get the best players you can and win championships. I don't personally know any ball players. Do you? If they do something bad enough, you know, like take steroids or beat their wife, then ship their butts out and replace them. Otherwise, stay out of their personal lives and let them produce for the team.

As a matter of fact I do know some players. And they all talk about how important team chemistry is. Suggestion for you -
listen to the entirety of the Cerfolio interview that was post on here. Then come back and we can discuss how important character is when building a team that can win together.

You ever heard of the Oakland A's during the 70's? They fought like cats and dogs. Gene Tenace, Reggie Jackson, etc. World Series champions also. I'm sure Yadi and Albert ruffled a few feathers in the clubhouse. How'd that turn out. Chemistry is made up. Talent prevails. Anyone that blames chemistry is a wimp and a loser. You ain't paid to be friends or hug, you're paid to produce. Hell, there's lots of teams with great team chemistry that are perennial losers. It's a silly argument. Nothing affects team morale more than winning and losing.

Listen to interviews with players after they win the WS. They often say “we came together as a team and that’s why we won it”.

LOL...What are they going to say? "Despite my teammates we still won. LOL Just stop. Evidence has already been cited. Just stop.

CC - To you too. Just stop. If you don’t understand how important character and team unity are, I can’t help you.

Of course it’s important. It’s not more important than finding the best talent.

Cerfolio says it’s about 50/50. The numbers have to be there to draw the interest before character due diligence takes place.

[desertrat23]

You know who else cries poor all the time? The Pirates, Reds, Marlins, etc etc. What do these teams have in common? They don't pony up on the payroll. No one is saying to spend $350 million like the Dodgers, but come on, cutting payroll when you're already way below the luxury tax threshold? This has been beaten to death already. They're being cheap. And cheap in the MLB gets you jack cht.

They're actually giving some talented young players a chance to succeed. Pretty exciting to see, and working fairly well so far. You should watch the interview with Cerfolio that was posted on here. It was revealing.

I love young players succeeding. But those young players eventually have to be paid. Here's where you have perennial losers show up. They can't keep the stars they grow, pardon me, they WON'T keep the players they grow. That being said, where you become an elite team is plugging in a superstar here or there. It only takes a couple to lift a team to championship status. The best way is to sign a top tier pitcher or two if you can get lucky and sign them.

The Cards like to first see how a player fits in with teammates, manager, coaches, the front office, fans, the St. Louis Community, etc. Look to the Matt Holliday model. That’s the key. Bloom and Cerfolio feel the same way.

I don't care if they live in the community or screw the neighbor's dog. I only care about the Cards winning. Nothing else matters. I don't watch the games because they're good neighbor's or fabulous people. That's just a silly way to load up a ballclub. Get the best players you can and win championships. I don't personally know any ball players. Do you? If they do something bad enough, you know, like take steroids or beat their wife, then ship their butts out and replace them. Otherwise, stay out of their personal lives and let them produce for the team.

As a matter of fact I do know some players. And they all talk about how important team chemistry is. Suggestion for you -
listen to the entirety of the Cerfolio interview that was post on here. Then come back and we can discuss how important character is when building a team that can win together.

You ever heard of the Oakland A's during the 70's? They fought like cats and dogs. Gene Tenace, Reggie Jackson, etc. World Series champions also. I'm sure Yadi and Albert ruffled a few feathers in the clubhouse. How'd that turn out. Chemistry is made up. Talent prevails. Anyone that blames chemistry is a wimp and a loser. You ain't paid to be friends or hug, you're paid to produce. Hell, there's lots of teams with great team chemistry that are perennial losers. It's a silly argument. Nothing affects team morale more than winning and losing.

Listen to interviews with players after they win the WS. They often say “we came together as a team and that’s why we won it”.

LOL...What are they going to say? "Despite my teammates we still won. LOL Just stop. Evidence has already been cited. Just stop.

CC - To you too. Just stop. If you don’t understand how important character and team unity are, I can’t help you.

Of course it’s important. It’s not more important than finding the best talent.

Cerfolio says it’s about 50/50. The numbers have to be there to draw the interest before character due diligence takes place.

Guy you hadn’t heard of until eight months ago said it. Must be true.

[CCard]

You know who else cries poor all the time? The Pirates, Reds, Marlins, etc etc. What do these teams have in common? They don't pony up on the payroll. No one is saying to spend $350 million like the Dodgers, but come on, cutting payroll when you're already way below the luxury tax threshold? This has been beaten to death already. They're being cheap. And cheap in the MLB gets you jack cht.

They're actually giving some talented young players a chance to succeed. Pretty exciting to see, and working fairly well so far. You should watch the interview with Cerfolio that was posted on here. It was revealing.

I love young players succeeding. But those young players eventually have to be paid. Here's where you have perennial losers show up. They can't keep the stars they grow, pardon me, they WON'T keep the players they grow. That being said, where you become an elite team is plugging in a superstar here or there. It only takes a couple to lift a team to championship status. The best way is to sign a top tier pitcher or two if you can get lucky and sign them.

The Cards like to first see how a player fits in with teammates, manager, coaches, the front office, fans, the St. Louis Community, etc. Look to the Matt Holliday model. That’s the key. Bloom and Cerfolio feel the same way.

I don't care if they live in the community or screw the neighbor's dog. I only care about the Cards winning. Nothing else matters. I don't watch the games because they're good neighbor's or fabulous people. That's just a silly way to load up a ballclub. Get the best players you can and win championships. I don't personally know any ball players. Do you? If they do something bad enough, you know, like take steroids or beat their wife, then ship their butts out and replace them. Otherwise, stay out of their personal lives and let them produce for the team.

As a matter of fact I do know some players. And they all talk about how important team chemistry is. Suggestion for you -
listen to the entirety of the Cerfolio interview that was post on here. Then come back and we can discuss how important character is when building a team that can win together.

You ever heard of the Oakland A's during the 70's? They fought like cats and dogs. Gene Tenace, Reggie Jackson, etc. World Series champions also. I'm sure Yadi and Albert ruffled a few feathers in the clubhouse. How'd that turn out. Chemistry is made up. Talent prevails. Anyone that blames chemistry is a wimp and a loser. You ain't paid to be friends or hug, you're paid to produce. Hell, there's lots of teams with great team chemistry that are perennial losers. It's a silly argument. Nothing affects team morale more than winning and losing.

Listen to interviews with players after they win the WS. They often say “we came together as a team and that’s why we won it”.

LOL...What are they going to say? "Despite my teammates we still won. LOL Just stop. Evidence has already been cited. Just stop.

CC - To you too. Just stop. If you don’t understand how important character and team unity are, I can’t help you.

Of course it’s important. It’s not more important than finding the best talent.

Cerfolio says it’s about 50/50. The numbers have to be there to draw the interest before character due diligence takes place.

Cerfolio is the know all be all then? I'm relating stories of great teams that didn't get along. One of the oldest sayings in baseball is "Winning cures everything." You could have a team consisting of brothers and it wouldn't matter if they suck. If we don't have common sense then we're just wandering in the wilderness.

[Cranny]

They're actually giving some talented young players a chance to succeed. Pretty exciting to see, and working fairly well so far. You should watch the interview with Cerfolio that was posted on here. It was revealing.

I love young players succeeding. But those young players eventually have to be paid. Here's where you have perennial losers show up. They can't keep the stars they grow, pardon me, they WON'T keep the players they grow. That being said, where you become an elite team is plugging in a superstar here or there. It only takes a couple to lift a team to championship status. The best way is to sign a top tier pitcher or two if you can get lucky and sign them.

The Cards like to first see how a player fits in with teammates, manager, coaches, the front office, fans, the St. Louis Community, etc. Look to the Matt Holliday model. That’s the key. Bloom and Cerfolio feel the same way.

I don't care if they live in the community or screw the neighbor's dog. I only care about the Cards winning. Nothing else matters. I don't watch the games because they're good neighbor's or fabulous people. That's just a silly way to load up a ballclub. Get the best players you can and win championships. I don't personally know any ball players. Do you? If they do something bad enough, you know, like take steroids or beat their wife, then ship their butts out and replace them. Otherwise, stay out of their personal lives and let them produce for the team.

As a matter of fact I do know some players. And they all talk about how important team chemistry is. Suggestion for you -
listen to the entirety of the Cerfolio interview that was post on here. Then come back and we can discuss how important character is when building a team that can win together.

You ever heard of the Oakland A's during the 70's? They fought like cats and dogs. Gene Tenace, Reggie Jackson, etc. World Series champions also. I'm sure Yadi and Albert ruffled a few feathers in the clubhouse. How'd that turn out. Chemistry is made up. Talent prevails. Anyone that blames chemistry is a wimp and a loser. You ain't paid to be friends or hug, you're paid to produce. Hell, there's lots of teams with great team chemistry that are perennial losers. It's a silly argument. Nothing affects team morale more than winning and losing.

Listen to interviews with players after they win the WS. They often say “we came together as a team and that’s why we won it”.

LOL...What are they going to say? "Despite my teammates we still won. LOL Just stop. Evidence has already been cited. Just stop.

CC - To you too. Just stop. If you don’t understand how important character and team unity are, I can’t help you.

Of course it’s important. It’s not more important than finding the best talent.

Cerfolio says it’s about 50/50. The numbers have to be there to draw the interest before character due diligence takes place.

Cerfolio is the know all be all then? I'm relating stories of great teams that didn't get along. One of the oldest sayings in baseball is "Winning cures everything." You could have a team consisting of brothers and it wouldn't matter if they suck. If we don't have common sense then we're just wandering in the wilderness.

Cerfolio represents the modern, young, staff guy who knows what it takes to develop young players. He is a big part of the Cardinals future. If you don’t hear him on character and team adhesiveness, you’re really missing the boat.

[desertrat23]

I love young players succeeding. But those young players eventually have to be paid. Here's where you have perennial losers show up. They can't keep the stars they grow, pardon me, they WON'T keep the players they grow. That being said, where you become an elite team is plugging in a superstar here or there. It only takes a couple to lift a team to championship status. The best way is to sign a top tier pitcher or two if you can get lucky and sign them.

The Cards like to first see how a player fits in with teammates, manager, coaches, the front office, fans, the St. Louis Community, etc. Look to the Matt Holliday model. That’s the key. Bloom and Cerfolio feel the same way.

I don't care if they live in the community or screw the neighbor's dog. I only care about the Cards winning. Nothing else matters. I don't watch the games because they're good neighbor's or fabulous people. That's just a silly way to load up a ballclub. Get the best players you can and win championships. I don't personally know any ball players. Do you? If they do something bad enough, you know, like take steroids or beat their wife, then ship their butts out and replace them. Otherwise, stay out of their personal lives and let them produce for the team.

As a matter of fact I do know some players. And they all talk about how important team chemistry is. Suggestion for you -
listen to the entirety of the Cerfolio interview that was post on here. Then come back and we can discuss how important character is when building a team that can win together.

You ever heard of the Oakland A's during the 70's? They fought like cats and dogs. Gene Tenace, Reggie Jackson, etc. World Series champions also. I'm sure Yadi and Albert ruffled a few feathers in the clubhouse. How'd that turn out. Chemistry is made up. Talent prevails. Anyone that blames chemistry is a wimp and a loser. You ain't paid to be friends or hug, you're paid to produce. Hell, there's lots of teams with great team chemistry that are perennial losers. It's a silly argument. Nothing affects team morale more than winning and losing.

Listen to interviews with players after they win the WS. They often say “we came together as a team and that’s why we won it”.

LOL...What are they going to say? "Despite my teammates we still won. LOL Just stop. Evidence has already been cited. Just stop.

CC - To you too. Just stop. If you don’t understand how important character and team unity are, I can’t help you.

Of course it’s important. It’s not more important than finding the best talent.

Cerfolio says it’s about 50/50. The numbers have to be there to draw the interest before character due diligence takes place.

Cerfolio is the know all be all then? I'm relating stories of great teams that didn't get along. One of the oldest sayings in baseball is "Winning cures everything." You could have a team consisting of brothers and it wouldn't matter if they suck. If we don't have common sense then we're just wandering in the wilderness.

Cerfolio represents the modern, young, staff guy who knows what it takes to develop young players. He is a big part of the Cardinals future. If you don’t hear him on character and team adhesiveness, you’re really missing the boat.

That’s fine, and I have no doubt that he’ll do well here. But suggesting that he’d rather have character guys than the most talented players is probably twisting his words. Would he rather have Shohei Ohtani or Alec Burleson? Burly may be a good character guy, but Cerfolio and anyone else would pick Ohtani. The talent comes first, then the character.

[Cranny]

The Cards like to first see how a player fits in with teammates, manager, coaches, the front office, fans, the St. Louis Community, etc. Look to the Matt Holliday model. That’s the key. Bloom and Cerfolio feel the same way.

I don't care if they live in the community or screw the neighbor's dog. I only care about the Cards winning. Nothing else matters. I don't watch the games because they're good neighbor's or fabulous people. That's just a silly way to load up a ballclub. Get the best players you can and win championships. I don't personally know any ball players. Do you? If they do something bad enough, you know, like take steroids or beat their wife, then ship their butts out and replace them. Otherwise, stay out of their personal lives and let them produce for the team.

As a matter of fact I do know some players. And they all talk about how important team chemistry is. Suggestion for you -
listen to the entirety of the Cerfolio interview that was post on here. Then come back and we can discuss how important character is when building a team that can win together.

You ever heard of the Oakland A's during the 70's? They fought like cats and dogs. Gene Tenace, Reggie Jackson, etc. World Series champions also. I'm sure Yadi and Albert ruffled a few feathers in the clubhouse. How'd that turn out. Chemistry is made up. Talent prevails. Anyone that blames chemistry is a wimp and a loser. You ain't paid to be friends or hug, you're paid to produce. Hell, there's lots of teams with great team chemistry that are perennial losers. It's a silly argument. Nothing affects team morale more than winning and losing.

Listen to interviews with players after they win the WS. They often say “we came together as a team and that’s why we won it”.

LOL...What are they going to say? "Despite my teammates we still won. LOL Just stop. Evidence has already been cited. Just stop.

CC - To you too. Just stop. If you don’t understand how important character and team unity are, I can’t help you.

Of course it’s important. It’s not more important than finding the best talent.

Cerfolio says it’s about 50/50. The numbers have to be there to draw the interest before character due diligence takes place.

Cerfolio is the know all be all then? I'm relating stories of great teams that didn't get along. One of the oldest sayings in baseball is "Winning cures everything." You could have a team consisting of brothers and it wouldn't matter if they suck. If we don't have common sense then we're just wandering in the wilderness.

Cerfolio represents the modern, young, staff guy who knows what it takes to develop young players. He is a big part of the Cardinals future. If you don’t hear him on character and team adhesiveness, you’re really missing the boat.

That’s fine, and I have no doubt that he’ll do well here. But suggesting that he’d rather have character guys than the most talented players is probably twisting his words. Would he rather have Shohei Ohtani or Alec Burleson? Burly may be a good character guy, but Cerfolio and anyone else would pick Ohtani. The talent comes first, then the character.

That’s exactly right. They wouldn’t have interest unless the talent is there. But once they have interest, Cerfolio says character measurement becomes as important as talent. Actually, nothing new for the Cardinals.

[sikeston bulldog2]

I don't care if they live in the community or screw the neighbor's dog. I only care about the Cards winning. Nothing else matters. I don't watch the games because they're good neighbor's or fabulous people. That's just a silly way to load up a ballclub. Get the best players you can and win championships. I don't personally know any ball players. Do you? If they do something bad enough, you know, like take steroids or beat their wife, then ship their butts out and replace them. Otherwise, stay out of their personal lives and let them produce for the team.

As a matter of fact I do know some players. And they all talk about how important team chemistry is. Suggestion for you -
listen to the entirety of the Cerfolio interview that was post on here. Then come back and we can discuss how important character is when building a team that can win together.

You ever heard of the Oakland A's during the 70's? They fought like cats and dogs. Gene Tenace, Reggie Jackson, etc. World Series champions also. I'm sure Yadi and Albert ruffled a few feathers in the clubhouse. How'd that turn out. Chemistry is made up. Talent prevails. Anyone that blames chemistry is a wimp and a loser. You ain't paid to be friends or hug, you're paid to produce. Hell, there's lots of teams with great team chemistry that are perennial losers. It's a silly argument. Nothing affects team morale more than winning and losing.

Listen to interviews with players after they win the WS. They often say “we came together as a team and that’s why we won it”.

LOL...What are they going to say? "Despite my teammates we still won. LOL Just stop. Evidence has already been cited. Just stop.

CC - To you too. Just stop. If you don’t understand how important character and team unity are, I can’t help you.

Of course it’s important. It’s not more important than finding the best talent.

Cerfolio says it’s about 50/50. The numbers have to be there to draw the interest before character due diligence takes place.

Cerfolio is the know all be all then? I'm relating stories of great teams that didn't get along. One of the oldest sayings in baseball is "Winning cures everything." You could have a team consisting of brothers and it wouldn't matter if they suck. If we don't have common sense then we're just wandering in the wilderness.

Cerfolio represents the modern, young, staff guy who knows what it takes to develop young players. He is a big part of the Cardinals future. If you don’t hear him on character and team adhesiveness, you’re really missing the boat.

That’s fine, and I have no doubt that he’ll do well here. But suggesting that he’d rather have character guys than the most talented players is probably twisting his words. Would he rather have Shohei Ohtani or Alec Burleson? Burly may be a good character guy, but Cerfolio and anyone else would pick Ohtani. The talent comes first, then the character.

That’s exactly right. They wouldn’t have interest unless the talent is there. But once they have interest, Cerfolio says character measurement becomes as important as talent. Actually, nothing new for the Cardinals.

I believe once they vet a player, a process that was done way up front in the course of action development phase, it no longer has any affect on the outcome.

A moment in time snap shot. From that moment on, it’s all about the money.

[Cranny]

As a matter of fact I do know some players. And they all talk about how important team chemistry is. Suggestion for you -
listen to the entirety of the Cerfolio interview that was post on here. Then come back and we can discuss how important character is when building a team that can win together.

You ever heard of the Oakland A's during the 70's? They fought like cats and dogs. Gene Tenace, Reggie Jackson, etc. World Series champions also. I'm sure Yadi and Albert ruffled a few feathers in the clubhouse. How'd that turn out. Chemistry is made up. Talent prevails. Anyone that blames chemistry is a wimp and a loser. You ain't paid to be friends or hug, you're paid to produce. Hell, there's lots of teams with great team chemistry that are perennial losers. It's a silly argument. Nothing affects team morale more than winning and losing.

Listen to interviews with players after they win the WS. They often say “we came together as a team and that’s why we won it”.

LOL...What are they going to say? "Despite my teammates we still won. LOL Just stop. Evidence has already been cited. Just stop.

CC - To you too. Just stop. If you don’t understand how important character and team unity are, I can’t help you.

Of course it’s important. It’s not more important than finding the best talent.

Cerfolio says it’s about 50/50. The numbers have to be there to draw the interest before character due diligence takes place.

Cerfolio is the know all be all then? I'm relating stories of great teams that didn't get along. One of the oldest sayings in baseball is "Winning cures everything." You could have a team consisting of brothers and it wouldn't matter if they suck. If we don't have common sense then we're just wandering in the wilderness.

Cerfolio represents the modern, young, staff guy who knows what it takes to develop young players. He is a big part of the Cardinals future. If you don’t hear him on character and team adhesiveness, you’re really missing the boat.

That’s fine, and I have no doubt that he’ll do well here. But suggesting that he’d rather have character guys than the most talented players is probably twisting his words. Would he rather have Shohei Ohtani or Alec Burleson? Burly may be a good character guy, but Cerfolio and anyone else would pick Ohtani. The talent comes first, then the character.

That’s exactly right. They wouldn’t have interest unless the talent is there. But once they have interest, Cerfolio says character measurement becomes as important as talent. Actually, nothing new for the Cardinals.

I believe once they vet a player, a process that was done way up front in the course of action development phase, it no longer has any affect on the outcome.

A moment in time snap shot. From that moment on, it’s all about the money.

Pre-draft vetting is easy. Talk to coaches, school counselors, principals, parents, etc.

In the major league free agent market, it’s a little different. Who are you going to talk to?

[desertrat23]

You ever heard of the Oakland A's during the 70's? They fought like cats and dogs. Gene Tenace, Reggie Jackson, etc. World Series champions also. I'm sure Yadi and Albert ruffled a few feathers in the clubhouse. How'd that turn out. Chemistry is made up. Talent prevails. Anyone that blames chemistry is a wimp and a loser. You ain't paid to be friends or hug, you're paid to produce. Hell, there's lots of teams with great team chemistry that are perennial losers. It's a silly argument. Nothing affects team morale more than winning and losing.

Listen to interviews with players after they win the WS. They often say “we came together as a team and that’s why we won it”.

LOL...What are they going to say? "Despite my teammates we still won. LOL Just stop. Evidence has already been cited. Just stop.

CC - To you too. Just stop. If you don’t understand how important character and team unity are, I can’t help you.

Of course it’s important. It’s not more important than finding the best talent.

Cerfolio says it’s about 50/50. The numbers have to be there to draw the interest before character due diligence takes place.

Cerfolio is the know all be all then? I'm relating stories of great teams that didn't get along. One of the oldest sayings in baseball is "Winning cures everything." You could have a team consisting of brothers and it wouldn't matter if they suck. If we don't have common sense then we're just wandering in the wilderness.

Cerfolio represents the modern, young, staff guy who knows what it takes to develop young players. He is a big part of the Cardinals future. If you don’t hear him on character and team adhesiveness, you’re really missing the boat.

That’s fine, and I have no doubt that he’ll do well here. But suggesting that he’d rather have character guys than the most talented players is probably twisting his words. Would he rather have Shohei Ohtani or Alec Burleson? Burly may be a good character guy, but Cerfolio and anyone else would pick Ohtani. The talent comes first, then the character.

That’s exactly right. They wouldn’t have interest unless the talent is there. But once they have interest, Cerfolio says character measurement becomes as important as talent. Actually, nothing new for the Cardinals.

I believe once they vet a player, a process that was done way up front in the course of action development phase, it no longer has any affect on the outcome.

A moment in time snap shot. From that moment on, it’s all about the money.

Pre-draft vetting is easy. Talk to coaches, school counselors, principals, parents, etc.

In the major league free agent market, it’s a little different. Who are you going to talk to?

Somehow championship-level clubs figure it out. The business is a pretty insular one; there’s plenty of ways to vet. It sounds to me like we’re trying to create another built-in excuse for inaction in the FA market. Same as it ever was.

[sikeston bulldog2]

Listen to interviews with players after they win the WS. They often say “we came together as a team and that’s why we won it”.

LOL...What are they going to say? "Despite my teammates we still won. LOL Just stop. Evidence has already been cited. Just stop.

CC - To you too. Just stop. If you don’t understand how important character and team unity are, I can’t help you.

Of course it’s important. It’s not more important than finding the best talent.

Cerfolio says it’s about 50/50. The numbers have to be there to draw the interest before character due diligence takes place.

Cerfolio is the know all be all then? I'm relating stories of great teams that didn't get along. One of the oldest sayings in baseball is "Winning cures everything." You could have a team consisting of brothers and it wouldn't matter if they suck. If we don't have common sense then we're just wandering in the wilderness.

Cerfolio represents the modern, young, staff guy who knows what it takes to develop young players. He is a big part of the Cardinals future. If you don’t hear him on character and team adhesiveness, you’re really missing the boat.

That’s fine, and I have no doubt that he’ll do well here. But suggesting that he’d rather have character guys than the most talented players is probably twisting his words. Would he rather have Shohei Ohtani or Alec Burleson? Burly may be a good character guy, but Cerfolio and anyone else would pick Ohtani. The talent comes first, then the character.

That’s exactly right. They wouldn’t have interest unless the talent is there. But once they have interest, Cerfolio says character measurement becomes as important as talent. Actually, nothing new for the Cardinals.

I believe once they vet a player, a process that was done way up front in the course of action development phase, it no longer has any affect on the outcome.

A moment in time snap shot. From that moment on, it’s all about the money.

Pre-draft vetting is easy. Talk to coaches, school counselors, principals, parents, etc.

In the major league free agent market, it’s a little different. Who are you going to talk to?

Somehow championship-level clubs figure it out. The business is a pretty insular one; there’s plenty of ways to vet. It sounds to me like we’re trying to create another built-in excuse for inaction in the FA market. Same as it ever was.

Same as it ever was. Same as it ever was. Talking Heads I think.

[Cranny]

Listen to interviews with players after they win the WS. They often say “we came together as a team and that’s why we won it”.

LOL...What are they going to say? "Despite my teammates we still won. LOL Just stop. Evidence has already been cited. Just stop.

CC - To you too. Just stop. If you don’t understand how important character and team unity are, I can’t help you.

Of course it’s important. It’s not more important than finding the best talent.

Cerfolio says it’s about 50/50. The numbers have to be there to draw the interest before character due diligence takes place.

Cerfolio is the know all be all then? I'm relating stories of great teams that didn't get along. One of the oldest sayings in baseball is "Winning cures everything." You could have a team consisting of brothers and it wouldn't matter if they suck. If we don't have common sense then we're just wandering in the wilderness.

Cerfolio represents the modern, young, staff guy who knows what it takes to develop young players. He is a big part of the Cardinals future. If you don’t hear him on character and team adhesiveness, you’re really missing the boat.

That’s fine, and I have no doubt that he’ll do well here. But suggesting that he’d rather have character guys than the most talented players is probably twisting his words. Would he rather have Shohei Ohtani or Alec Burleson? Burly may be a good character guy, but Cerfolio and anyone else would pick Ohtani. The talent comes first, then the character.

That’s exactly right. They wouldn’t have interest unless the talent is there. But once they have interest, Cerfolio says character measurement becomes as important as talent. Actually, nothing new for the Cardinals.

I believe once they vet a player, a process that was done way up front in the course of action development phase, it no longer has any affect on the outcome.

A moment in time snap shot. From that moment on, it’s all about the money.

Pre-draft vetting is easy. Talk to coaches, school counselors, principals, parents, etc.

In the major league free agent market, it’s a little different. Who are you going to talk to?

Somehow championship-level clubs figure it out. The business is a pretty insular one; there’s plenty of ways to vet. It sounds to me like we’re trying to create another built-in excuse for inaction in the FA market. Same as it ever was.

I’ll bite. How do you in-depth vet in the major league free agent market? The GM or POBO may not be honest with you. Can’t talk to the manager and coaches. Can’t talk to the teammates. How do you do it?

[sikeston bulldog2]

LOL...What are they going to say? "Despite my teammates we still won. LOL Just stop. Evidence has already been cited. Just stop.

CC - To you too. Just stop. If you don’t understand how important character and team unity are, I can’t help you.

Of course it’s important. It’s not more important than finding the best talent.

Cerfolio says it’s about 50/50. The numbers have to be there to draw the interest before character due diligence takes place.

Cerfolio is the know all be all then? I'm relating stories of great teams that didn't get along. One of the oldest sayings in baseball is "Winning cures everything." You could have a team consisting of brothers and it wouldn't matter if they suck. If we don't have common sense then we're just wandering in the wilderness.

Cerfolio represents the modern, young, staff guy who knows what it takes to develop young players. He is a big part of the Cardinals future. If you don’t hear him on character and team adhesiveness, you’re really missing the boat.

That’s fine, and I have no doubt that he’ll do well here. But suggesting that he’d rather have character guys than the most talented players is probably twisting his words. Would he rather have Shohei Ohtani or Alec Burleson? Burly may be a good character guy, but Cerfolio and anyone else would pick Ohtani. The talent comes first, then the character.

That’s exactly right. They wouldn’t have interest unless the talent is there. But once they have interest, Cerfolio says character measurement becomes as important as talent. Actually, nothing new for the Cardinals.

I believe once they vet a player, a process that was done way up front in the course of action development phase, it no longer has any affect on the outcome.

A moment in time snap shot. From that moment on, it’s all about the money.

Pre-draft vetting is easy. Talk to coaches, school counselors, principals, parents, etc.

In the major league free agent market, it’s a little different. Who are you going to talk to?

Somehow championship-level clubs figure it out. The business is a pretty insular one; there’s plenty of ways to vet. It sounds to me like we’re trying to create another built-in excuse for inaction in the FA market. Same as it ever was.

I’ll bite. How do you in-depth vet in the major league free agent market? The GM or POBO may not be honest with you. Can’t talk to the manager and coaches. Can’t talk to the teammates. How do you do it?

Word of mouth based on personal knowledge. These players have been around each other for 15 or more years. There is a long book on their character history.

Wanna know about a player, ask one of your own about said player. Get you answer in a heart beat.

There are 780 players on 30 mlb rosters. A revolving door of acquaintances. They know long before they bring up a name the character. It’s a given.

[desertrat23]

Come on, man. Don’t be intentionally obtuse. Baseball is a small world — they know how a guy’s character is. You’ve got coaches who have coached these guys in other organizations. Players currently on your roster who have been teammates with them in other organizations or in the minors or in international play. Guys work out together in the offseason. The list goes on and on.

Free agency has been around in baseball for 50 years. Lots of teams have been very successful at vetting talent during that time. If the professional staff you’ve hired to do that part of their job can’t figure out the secret sauce, find guys who can.

[desertrat23]

CC - To you too. Just stop. If you don’t understand how important character and team unity are, I can’t help you.

Of course it’s important. It’s not more important than finding the best talent.

Cerfolio says it’s about 50/50. The numbers have to be there to draw the interest before character due diligence takes place.

Cerfolio is the know all be all then? I'm relating stories of great teams that didn't get along. One of the oldest sayings in baseball is "Winning cures everything." You could have a team consisting of brothers and it wouldn't matter if they suck. If we don't have common sense then we're just wandering in the wilderness.

Cerfolio represents the modern, young, staff guy who knows what it takes to develop young players. He is a big part of the Cardinals future. If you don’t hear him on character and team adhesiveness, you’re really missing the boat.

That’s fine, and I have no doubt that he’ll do well here. But suggesting that he’d rather have character guys than the most talented players is probably twisting his words. Would he rather have Shohei Ohtani or Alec Burleson? Burly may be a good character guy, but Cerfolio and anyone else would pick Ohtani. The talent comes first, then the character.

That’s exactly right. They wouldn’t have interest unless the talent is there. But once they have interest, Cerfolio says character measurement becomes as important as talent. Actually, nothing new for the Cardinals.

I believe once they vet a player, a process that was done way up front in the course of action development phase, it no longer has any affect on the outcome.

A moment in time snap shot. From that moment on, it’s all about the money.

Pre-draft vetting is easy. Talk to coaches, school counselors, principals, parents, etc.

In the major league free agent market, it’s a little different. Who are you going to talk to?

Somehow championship-level clubs figure it out. The business is a pretty insular one; there’s plenty of ways to vet. It sounds to me like we’re trying to create another built-in excuse for inaction in the FA market. Same as it ever was.

I’ll bite. How do you in-depth vet in the major league free agent market? The GM or POBO may not be honest with you. Can’t talk to the manager and coaches. Can’t talk to the teammates. How do you do it?

Word of mouth based on personal knowledge. These players have been around each other for 15 or more years. There is a long book on their character history.

Wanna know about a player, ask one of your own about said player. Get you answer in a heart beat.

There are 780 players on 30 mlb rosters. A revolving door of acquaintances. They know long before they bring up a name the character. It’s a given.

Exactly. This is just performance art on Cranny’s part, trying to justify inaction.

[Cranny]

Of course it’s important. It’s not more important than finding the best talent.

Cerfolio says it’s about 50/50. The numbers have to be there to draw the interest before character due diligence takes place.

Cerfolio is the know all be all then? I'm relating stories of great teams that didn't get along. One of the oldest sayings in baseball is "Winning cures everything." You could have a team consisting of brothers and it wouldn't matter if they suck. If we don't have common sense then we're just wandering in the wilderness.

Cerfolio represents the modern, young, staff guy who knows what it takes to develop young players. He is a big part of the Cardinals future. If you don’t hear him on character and team adhesiveness, you’re really missing the boat.

That’s fine, and I have no doubt that he’ll do well here. But suggesting that he’d rather have character guys than the most talented players is probably twisting his words. Would he rather have Shohei Ohtani or Alec Burleson? Burly may be a good character guy, but Cerfolio and anyone else would pick Ohtani. The talent comes first, then the character.

That’s exactly right. They wouldn’t have interest unless the talent is there. But once they have interest, Cerfolio says character measurement becomes as important as talent. Actually, nothing new for the Cardinals.

I believe once they vet a player, a process that was done way up front in the course of action development phase, it no longer has any affect on the outcome.

A moment in time snap shot. From that moment on, it’s all about the money.

Pre-draft vetting is easy. Talk to coaches, school counselors, principals, parents, etc.

In the major league free agent market, it’s a little different. Who are you going to talk to?

Somehow championship-level clubs figure it out. The business is a pretty insular one; there’s plenty of ways to vet. It sounds to me like we’re trying to create another built-in excuse for inaction in the FA market. Same as it ever was.

I’ll bite. How do you in-depth vet in the major league free agent market? The GM or POBO may not be honest with you. Can’t talk to the manager and coaches. Can’t talk to the teammates. How do you do it?

Word of mouth based on personal knowledge. These players have been around each other for 15 or more years. There is a long book on their character history.

Wanna know about a player, ask one of your own about said player. Get you answer in a heart beat.

There are 780 players on 30 mlb rosters. A revolving door of acquaintances. They know long before they bring up a name the character. It’s a given.

Exactly. This is just performance art on Cranny’s part, trying to justify inaction.

Okay, then explain this. A person inside the Cardinals organization told me “if we had made one phone call to the Cubs locker room, we never would have signed Fowler”.

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This article says the Cubs players were very happy when Fowler wasn't traded. https://ftw.usatoday.com/story/sports/m ... 898382007/