The Cardinals with Kyle Tucker.

[11WSChamps]

There's the likelihood of a lockout after the 2026 season.

The last thing a team like the Cardinals are going to do is sign a FA to a huge deal.

[WLTFE]

Tucker will be getting a $500+M contract. He will not be a Cardinal.

You’re right, of course. Our owner doesn’t have the stomach to sit at the grownup’s table.

DeTwit like many older people, hang on to the past and hope fans will remember how good it was...DeTwit just doesn't understand that the fans are (upset) and want more...we're not paying for how many games they used to win.

That’s certainly true around here. Lots of old-timers reminding us that we used to be good so we have no right to expect anything.

It's annoying at times...I'm 73 so i can relate to being a 'good old days' fan but a few are relentless in their defense of the front office...almost at a manic , personal level, but they are harmless and entertaining at times!

[Cusecards]

Another big time play from Burly!
Except for the fact that Noot covers more ground....Burly is his superior in everything else.
With the depth this team has in the IF(especially with JJ and Saggese looming) I’d go with Donny and Burly at the corners plus whatever you can get from Walker.
Baez and Davis have potential.
I’d deal Noot while he has decent value.
Would need a decent backup for CF.

[Cranny]

There's the likelihood of a lockout after the 2026 season.

The last thing a team like the Cardinals are going to do is sign a FA to a huge deal.

Exactly. Don’t understand why some really good posters like Dawg (and some really marginal ones like rat) don’t seem to get that.

[desertrat23]

There's the likelihood of a lockout after the 2026 season.

The last thing a team like the Cardinals are going to do is sign a FA to a huge deal.

Exactly. Don’t understand why some really good posters like Dawg (and some really marginal ones like rat) don’t seem to get that.

Marginal? That’s higher than I would have expected.

I’m sure the other 29 teams won’t try to get better this winter either, what with the lockout and all.

[WLTFE]

I blame the spoiled fans.

[Cranny]

Tucker will be getting a $500+M contract. He will not be a Cardinal.

You’re right, of course. Our owner doesn’t have the stomach to sit at the grownup’s table.

DeTwit like many older people, hang on to the past and hope fans will remember how good it was...DeTwit just doesn't understand that the fans are (upset) and want more...we're not paying for how many games they used to win.

That’s certainly true around here. Lots of old-timers reminding us that we used to be good so we have no right to expect anything.

You have the right to hope for, and indeed expect, a playoff caliber team.

[desertrat23]

Tucker will be getting a $500+M contract. He will not be a Cardinal.

You’re right, of course. Our owner doesn’t have the stomach to sit at the grownup’s table.

DeTwit like many older people, hang on to the past and hope fans will remember how good it was...DeTwit just doesn't understand that the fans are (upset) and want more...we're not paying for how many games they used to win.

That’s certainly true around here. Lots of old-timers reminding us that we used to be good so we have no right to expect anything.

You have the right to hope for, and indeed expect, a playoff caliber team.

Great. Trouble is, there’s no repercussions when they don’t meet those expectations.

[Cranny]

Tucker will be getting a $500+M contract. He will not be a Cardinal.

You’re right, of course. Our owner doesn’t have the stomach to sit at the grownup’s table.

DeTwit like many older people, hang on to the past and hope fans will remember how good it was...DeTwit just doesn't understand that the fans are (upset) and want more...we're not paying for how many games they used to win.

That’s certainly true around here. Lots of old-timers reminding us that we used to be good so we have no right to expect anything.

You have the right to hope for, and indeed expect, a playoff caliber team.

Great. Trouble is, there’s no repercussions when they don’t meet those expectations.

Lower attendance.

[CCard]

I like the Tucker possibility, I'm saying that up front.

That being said, I don't see any big, out-of-house signings before the huge labor obstacle is solved in 2027. I never expect the big signings in a normal setting, that's not our makeup.

We could do an inhouse signing or two this offseason, but that's about it.

Bet your butt that some billionaire will sign him. Just not the penny pinching DeWitt. Another star going to a high payroll team, probably with deferred money.

CCard - Guess that makes 2/3 of the owners of ML teams "penny pinchers". Right?

Just watch the playoffs and you'll see who spends money. The proof is in the pudding as they say.

So, you would like to spend like the Dodgers, Mets, Yankees, Phillies, etc.?

You know who else cries poor all the time? The Pirates, Reds, Marlins, etc etc. What do these teams have in common? They don't pony up on the payroll. No one is saying to spend $350 million like the Dodgers, but come on, cutting payroll when you're already way below the luxury tax threshold? This has been beaten to death already. They're being cheap. And cheap in the MLB gets you jack cht.

They're actually giving some talented young players a chance to succeed. Pretty exciting to see, and working fairly well so far. You should watch the interview with Cerfolio that was posted on here. It was revealing.

I love young players succeeding. But those young players eventually have to be paid. Here's where you have perennial losers show up. They can't keep the stars they grow, pardon me, they WON'T keep the players they grow. That being said, where you become an elite team is plugging in a superstar here or there. It only takes a couple to lift a team to championship status. The best way is to sign a top tier pitcher or two if you can get lucky and sign them.

The Cards like to first see how a player fits in with teammates, manager, coaches, the front office, fans, the St. Louis Community, etc. Look to the Matt Holliday model. That’s the key. Bloom and Cerfolio feel the same way.

I don't care if they live in the community or screw the neighbor's dog. I only care about the Cards winning. Nothing else matters. I don't watch the games because they're good neighbor's or fabulous people. That's just a silly way to load up a ballclub. Get the best players you can and win championships. I don't personally know any ball players. Do you? If they do something bad enough, you know, like take steroids or beat their wife, then ship their butts out and replace them. Otherwise, stay out of their personal lives and let them produce for the team.

As a matter of fact I do know some players. And they all talk about how important team chemistry is. Suggestion for you -
listen to the entirety of the Cerfolio interview that was post on here. Then come back and we can discuss how important character is when building a team that can win together.

You ever heard of the Oakland A's during the 70's? They fought like cats and dogs. Gene Tenace, Reggie Jackson, etc. World Series champions also. I'm sure Yadi and Albert ruffled a few feathers in the clubhouse. How'd that turn out. Chemistry is made up. Talent prevails. Anyone that blames chemistry is a wimp and a loser. You ain't paid to be friends or hug, you're paid to produce. Hell, there's lots of teams with great team chemistry that are perennial losers. It's a silly argument. Nothing affects team morale more than winning and losing.

[desertrat23]

Tucker will be getting a $500+M contract. He will not be a Cardinal.

You’re right, of course. Our owner doesn’t have the stomach to sit at the grownup’s table.

DeTwit like many older people, hang on to the past and hope fans will remember how good it was...DeTwit just doesn't understand that the fans are (upset) and want more...we're not paying for how many games they used to win.

That’s certainly true around here. Lots of old-timers reminding us that we used to be good so we have no right to expect anything.

You have the right to hope for, and indeed expect, a playoff caliber team.

Great. Trouble is, there’s no repercussions when they don’t meet those expectations.

Lower attendance.

Which is fixable. Firing John Mozeliak this winter was probably worth a few hundred thousand in attendance.

[Cranny]

I like the Tucker possibility, I'm saying that up front.

That being said, I don't see any big, out-of-house signings before the huge labor obstacle is solved in 2027. I never expect the big signings in a normal setting, that's not our makeup.

We could do an inhouse signing or two this offseason, but that's about it.

Bet your butt that some billionaire will sign him. Just not the penny pinching DeWitt. Another star going to a high payroll team, probably with deferred money.

CCard - Guess that makes 2/3 of the owners of ML teams "penny pinchers". Right?

Just watch the playoffs and you'll see who spends money. The proof is in the pudding as they say.

So, you would like to spend like the Dodgers, Mets, Yankees, Phillies, etc.?

You know who else cries poor all the time? The Pirates, Reds, Marlins, etc etc. What do these teams have in common? They don't pony up on the payroll. No one is saying to spend $350 million like the Dodgers, but come on, cutting payroll when you're already way below the luxury tax threshold? This has been beaten to death already. They're being cheap. And cheap in the MLB gets you jack cht.

They're actually giving some talented young players a chance to succeed. Pretty exciting to see, and working fairly well so far. You should watch the interview with Cerfolio that was posted on here. It was revealing.

I love young players succeeding. But those young players eventually have to be paid. Here's where you have perennial losers show up. They can't keep the stars they grow, pardon me, they WON'T keep the players they grow. That being said, where you become an elite team is plugging in a superstar here or there. It only takes a couple to lift a team to championship status. The best way is to sign a top tier pitcher or two if you can get lucky and sign them.

The Cards like to first see how a player fits in with teammates, manager, coaches, the front office, fans, the St. Louis Community, etc. Look to the Matt Holliday model. That’s the key. Bloom and Cerfolio feel the same way.

I don't care if they live in the community or screw the neighbor's dog. I only care about the Cards winning. Nothing else matters. I don't watch the games because they're good neighbor's or fabulous people. That's just a silly way to load up a ballclub. Get the best players you can and win championships. I don't personally know any ball players. Do you? If they do something bad enough, you know, like take steroids or beat their wife, then ship their butts out and replace them. Otherwise, stay out of their personal lives and let them produce for the team.

As a matter of fact I do know some players. And they all talk about how important team chemistry is. Suggestion for you -
listen to the entirety of the Cerfolio interview that was post on here. Then come back and we can discuss how important character is when building a team that can win together.

You ever heard of the Oakland A's during the 70's? They fought like cats and dogs. Gene Tenace, Reggie Jackson, etc. World Series champions also. I'm sure Yadi and Albert ruffled a few feathers in the clubhouse. How'd that turn out. Chemistry is made up. Talent prevails. Anyone that blames chemistry is a wimp and a loser. You ain't paid to be friends or hug, you're paid to produce. Hell, there's lots of teams with great team chemistry that are perennial losers. It's a silly argument. Nothing affects team morale more than winning and losing.

Listen to interviews with players after they win the WS. They often say “we came together as a team and that’s why we won it”.

[sikeston bulldog2]

Bet your butt that some billionaire will sign him. Just not the penny pinching DeWitt. Another star going to a high payroll team, probably with deferred money.

CCard - Guess that makes 2/3 of the owners of ML teams "penny pinchers". Right?

Just watch the playoffs and you'll see who spends money. The proof is in the pudding as they say.

So, you would like to spend like the Dodgers, Mets, Yankees, Phillies, etc.?

You know who else cries poor all the time? The Pirates, Reds, Marlins, etc etc. What do these teams have in common? They don't pony up on the payroll. No one is saying to spend $350 million like the Dodgers, but come on, cutting payroll when you're already way below the luxury tax threshold? This has been beaten to death already. They're being cheap. And cheap in the MLB gets you jack cht.

They're actually giving some talented young players a chance to succeed. Pretty exciting to see, and working fairly well so far. You should watch the interview with Cerfolio that was posted on here. It was revealing.

I love young players succeeding. But those young players eventually have to be paid. Here's where you have perennial losers show up. They can't keep the stars they grow, pardon me, they WON'T keep the players they grow. That being said, where you become an elite team is plugging in a superstar here or there. It only takes a couple to lift a team to championship status. The best way is to sign a top tier pitcher or two if you can get lucky and sign them.

The Cards like to first see how a player fits in with teammates, manager, coaches, the front office, fans, the St. Louis Community, etc. Look to the Matt Holliday model. That’s the key. Bloom and Cerfolio feel the same way.

I don't care if they live in the community or screw the neighbor's dog. I only care about the Cards winning. Nothing else matters. I don't watch the games because they're good neighbor's or fabulous people. That's just a silly way to load up a ballclub. Get the best players you can and win championships. I don't personally know any ball players. Do you? If they do something bad enough, you know, like take steroids or beat their wife, then ship their butts out and replace them. Otherwise, stay out of their personal lives and let them produce for the team.

As a matter of fact I do know some players. And they all talk about how important team chemistry is. Suggestion for you -
listen to the entirety of the Cerfolio interview that was post on here. Then come back and we can discuss how important character is when building a team that can win together.

You ever heard of the Oakland A's during the 70's? They fought like cats and dogs. Gene Tenace, Reggie Jackson, etc. World Series champions also. I'm sure Yadi and Albert ruffled a few feathers in the clubhouse. How'd that turn out. Chemistry is made up. Talent prevails. Anyone that blames chemistry is a wimp and a loser. You ain't paid to be friends or hug, you're paid to produce. Hell, there's lots of teams with great team chemistry that are perennial losers. It's a silly argument. Nothing affects team morale more than winning and losing.

Listen to interviews with players after they win the WS. They often say “we came together as a team and that’s why we won it”.

And before they came together, they still won. Regardless of chemistry.

Bottom line - how a player fits is long ago vetted prior to any negotiations at 300M begin.

[CCard]

Bet your butt that some billionaire will sign him. Just not the penny pinching DeWitt. Another star going to a high payroll team, probably with deferred money.

CCard - Guess that makes 2/3 of the owners of ML teams "penny pinchers". Right?

Just watch the playoffs and you'll see who spends money. The proof is in the pudding as they say.

So, you would like to spend like the Dodgers, Mets, Yankees, Phillies, etc.?

You know who else cries poor all the time? The Pirates, Reds, Marlins, etc etc. What do these teams have in common? They don't pony up on the payroll. No one is saying to spend $350 million like the Dodgers, but come on, cutting payroll when you're already way below the luxury tax threshold? This has been beaten to death already. They're being cheap. And cheap in the MLB gets you jack cht.

They're actually giving some talented young players a chance to succeed. Pretty exciting to see, and working fairly well so far. You should watch the interview with Cerfolio that was posted on here. It was revealing.

I love young players succeeding. But those young players eventually have to be paid. Here's where you have perennial losers show up. They can't keep the stars they grow, pardon me, they WON'T keep the players they grow. That being said, where you become an elite team is plugging in a superstar here or there. It only takes a couple to lift a team to championship status. The best way is to sign a top tier pitcher or two if you can get lucky and sign them.

The Cards like to first see how a player fits in with teammates, manager, coaches, the front office, fans, the St. Louis Community, etc. Look to the Matt Holliday model. That’s the key. Bloom and Cerfolio feel the same way.

I don't care if they live in the community or screw the neighbor's dog. I only care about the Cards winning. Nothing else matters. I don't watch the games because they're good neighbor's or fabulous people. That's just a silly way to load up a ballclub. Get the best players you can and win championships. I don't personally know any ball players. Do you? If they do something bad enough, you know, like take steroids or beat their wife, then ship their butts out and replace them. Otherwise, stay out of their personal lives and let them produce for the team.

As a matter of fact I do know some players. And they all talk about how important team chemistry is. Suggestion for you -
listen to the entirety of the Cerfolio interview that was post on here. Then come back and we can discuss how important character is when building a team that can win together.

You ever heard of the Oakland A's during the 70's? They fought like cats and dogs. Gene Tenace, Reggie Jackson, etc. World Series champions also. I'm sure Yadi and Albert ruffled a few feathers in the clubhouse. How'd that turn out. Chemistry is made up. Talent prevails. Anyone that blames chemistry is a wimp and a loser. You ain't paid to be friends or hug, you're paid to produce. Hell, there's lots of teams with great team chemistry that are perennial losers. It's a silly argument. Nothing affects team morale more than winning and losing.

Listen to interviews with players after they win the WS. They often say “we came together as a team and that’s why we won it”.

LOL...What are they going to say? "Despite my teammates we still won. LOL Just stop. Evidence has already been cited. Just stop.

[Cranny]

CCard - Guess that makes 2/3 of the owners of ML teams "penny pinchers". Right?

Just watch the playoffs and you'll see who spends money. The proof is in the pudding as they say.

So, you would like to spend like the Dodgers, Mets, Yankees, Phillies, etc.?

You know who else cries poor all the time? The Pirates, Reds, Marlins, etc etc. What do these teams have in common? They don't pony up on the payroll. No one is saying to spend $350 million like the Dodgers, but come on, cutting payroll when you're already way below the luxury tax threshold? This has been beaten to death already. They're being cheap. And cheap in the MLB gets you jack cht.

They're actually giving some talented young players a chance to succeed. Pretty exciting to see, and working fairly well so far. You should watch the interview with Cerfolio that was posted on here. It was revealing.

I love young players succeeding. But those young players eventually have to be paid. Here's where you have perennial losers show up. They can't keep the stars they grow, pardon me, they WON'T keep the players they grow. That being said, where you become an elite team is plugging in a superstar here or there. It only takes a couple to lift a team to championship status. The best way is to sign a top tier pitcher or two if you can get lucky and sign them.

The Cards like to first see how a player fits in with teammates, manager, coaches, the front office, fans, the St. Louis Community, etc. Look to the Matt Holliday model. That’s the key. Bloom and Cerfolio feel the same way.

I don't care if they live in the community or screw the neighbor's dog. I only care about the Cards winning. Nothing else matters. I don't watch the games because they're good neighbor's or fabulous people. That's just a silly way to load up a ballclub. Get the best players you can and win championships. I don't personally know any ball players. Do you? If they do something bad enough, you know, like take steroids or beat their wife, then ship their butts out and replace them. Otherwise, stay out of their personal lives and let them produce for the team.

As a matter of fact I do know some players. And they all talk about how important team chemistry is. Suggestion for you -
listen to the entirety of the Cerfolio interview that was post on here. Then come back and we can discuss how important character is when building a team that can win together.

You ever heard of the Oakland A's during the 70's? They fought like cats and dogs. Gene Tenace, Reggie Jackson, etc. World Series champions also. I'm sure Yadi and Albert ruffled a few feathers in the clubhouse. How'd that turn out. Chemistry is made up. Talent prevails. Anyone that blames chemistry is a wimp and a loser. You ain't paid to be friends or hug, you're paid to produce. Hell, there's lots of teams with great team chemistry that are perennial losers. It's a silly argument. Nothing affects team morale more than winning and losing.

Listen to interviews with players after they win the WS. They often say “we came together as a team and that’s why we won it”.

LOL...What are they going to say? "Despite my teammates we still won. LOL Just stop. Evidence has already been cited. Just stop.

CC - To you too. Just stop. If you don’t understand how important character and team unity are, I can’t help you.

[desertrat23]

Just watch the playoffs and you'll see who spends money. The proof is in the pudding as they say.

So, you would like to spend like the Dodgers, Mets, Yankees, Phillies, etc.?

You know who else cries poor all the time? The Pirates, Reds, Marlins, etc etc. What do these teams have in common? They don't pony up on the payroll. No one is saying to spend $350 million like the Dodgers, but come on, cutting payroll when you're already way below the luxury tax threshold? This has been beaten to death already. They're being cheap. And cheap in the MLB gets you jack cht.

They're actually giving some talented young players a chance to succeed. Pretty exciting to see, and working fairly well so far. You should watch the interview with Cerfolio that was posted on here. It was revealing.

I love young players succeeding. But those young players eventually have to be paid. Here's where you have perennial losers show up. They can't keep the stars they grow, pardon me, they WON'T keep the players they grow. That being said, where you become an elite team is plugging in a superstar here or there. It only takes a couple to lift a team to championship status. The best way is to sign a top tier pitcher or two if you can get lucky and sign them.

The Cards like to first see how a player fits in with teammates, manager, coaches, the front office, fans, the St. Louis Community, etc. Look to the Matt Holliday model. That’s the key. Bloom and Cerfolio feel the same way.

I don't care if they live in the community or screw the neighbor's dog. I only care about the Cards winning. Nothing else matters. I don't watch the games because they're good neighbor's or fabulous people. That's just a silly way to load up a ballclub. Get the best players you can and win championships. I don't personally know any ball players. Do you? If they do something bad enough, you know, like take steroids or beat their wife, then ship their butts out and replace them. Otherwise, stay out of their personal lives and let them produce for the team.

As a matter of fact I do know some players. And they all talk about how important team chemistry is. Suggestion for you -
listen to the entirety of the Cerfolio interview that was post on here. Then come back and we can discuss how important character is when building a team that can win together.

You ever heard of the Oakland A's during the 70's? They fought like cats and dogs. Gene Tenace, Reggie Jackson, etc. World Series champions also. I'm sure Yadi and Albert ruffled a few feathers in the clubhouse. How'd that turn out. Chemistry is made up. Talent prevails. Anyone that blames chemistry is a wimp and a loser. You ain't paid to be friends or hug, you're paid to produce. Hell, there's lots of teams with great team chemistry that are perennial losers. It's a silly argument. Nothing affects team morale more than winning and losing.

Listen to interviews with players after they win the WS. They often say “we came together as a team and that’s why we won it”.

LOL...What are they going to say? "Despite my teammates we still won. LOL Just stop. Evidence has already been cited. Just stop.

CC - To you too. Just stop. If you don’t understand how important character and team unity are, I can’t help you.

Of course it’s important. It’s not more important than finding the best talent.