Jordan Kyrou

[Younghopp1991]

No.

Eventually, his $8 million contract might be acceptable, but for a mid-market team, it's excessive. It hamstrings the Blues in acquiring other talent.

If kyrous contract is hamstring’n is, then what is buch’s contract doing?

[zamadoo]

No.

Eventually, his $8 million contract might be acceptable, but for a mid-market team, it's excessive. It hamstrings the Blues in acquiring other talent.

If kyrous contract is hamstring’n is, then what is buch’s contract doing?

Good question, and that's why we're talking about trading Kyrou before his Full-NTC kicks in.

[tfriede2]

Kyrou’s scoring value compared to his cap hit is not an issue / his value in production exceeds his cap hit; the other parts of his game can alter the analysis, but from a production standpoint, he’s exceeding what’s expected out of his cap hit; it’s a good contract that will only get better as the cap rises. https://benchrates.com/player/521/jordan-kyrou/value

[Younghopp1991]

I only brought up buch because both contracts expire the same year for the same amount (i believe) i just dont believe you can get what hes actually worth.

[zamadoo]

Kyrou’s scoring value compared to his cap hit is not an issue / his value in production exceeds his cap hit; the other parts of his game can alter the analysis, but from a production standpoint, he’s exceeding what’s expected out of his cap hit; it’s a good contract that will only get better as the cap rises. https://benchrates.com/player/521/jordan-kyrou/value

No one disputes this. His regular season value is high and he has rounded out his game by increasing awareness away from the puck and skill/effort on the backcheck, which is why we would seek a high return. It could backfire in the short term if we don't replace his point production while young players still progress.

The argument is that he's a [kittycat] with no fight to his game who leaves us cheering when he simply engages along the boards and wins a puck battle, and particularly during the playoffs we would like a team full of players who are willing to meaningfully engage on the forecheck and win puck battles like their lives depend on it rather than shamefully shying away.

Perhaps I'm being blunt enough.

[tfriede2]

[quote=tfriede2 post_id=13072724 time=<a href="tel:1751213693">1751213693</a> user_id=338514]
Kyrou’s scoring value compared to his cap hit is not an issue / his value in production exceeds his cap hit; the other parts of his game can alter the analysis, but from a production standpoint, he’s exceeding what’s expected out of his cap hit; it’s a good contract that will only get better as the cap rises. https://benchrates.com/player/521/jordan-kyrou/value

No one disputes this. His regular season value is high and he has rounded out his game by increasing awareness away from the puck and skill/effort on the backcheck, which is why we would seek a high return. It could backfire in the short term if we don't replace his point production while young players still progress.

The argument is that he's a [kittycat] with no fight to his game who leaves us cheering when he simply engages along the boards and wins a puck battle, and particularly during the playoffs we would like a team full of players who are willing to meaningfully engage on the forecheck and win puck battles like their lives depend on it rather than shamefully shying away.

Perhaps I'm being blunt enough.
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I wasn’t responding to you and have no beef with your stance at all - I’m in favor of trading Kyrou for the right piece (young top pairing or #3 d-man that shoots right, or a young #2C with team control). But if there’s no deal to be made, I won’t be unhappy, either.

[Harry York 37]

No, for two reasons.

First,the return is not what a Doug Armstrong will settle for.
Second, the return might never be there because what GM wants to boast to his fan base, “ I just landed the guy described two short months ago on network television as “Showing the least compete I have ever seen in a Game Seven”?

Bud White- brother I am with you. Dressing a disinterested 6’1” 196 pound Nancy boy in the Stanley Cup playoffs is about as ugly a look as you might find. Showing Zach Sanford the right way to play Blues hockey ain’t the same as slapping some sense into the kid who got Craig Berube fired.

We will be stuck with him for the next five years.
Another year of Holloway’s example will do him some good.
It will be hard to forget how astoundingly painful it was to watch him let his teammates down when they needed him the most.

[zamadoo]

[quote=tfriede2 post_id=13072724 time=<a href="tel:1751213693">1751213693</a> user_id=338514]
Kyrou’s scoring value compared to his cap hit is not an issue / his value in production exceeds his cap hit; the other parts of his game can alter the analysis, but from a production standpoint, he’s exceeding what’s expected out of his cap hit; it’s a good contract that will only get better as the cap rises. https://benchrates.com/player/521/jordan-kyrou/value

No one disputes this. His regular season value is high and he has rounded out his game by increasing awareness away from the puck and skill/effort on the backcheck, which is why we would seek a high return. It could backfire in the short term if we don't replace his point production while young players still progress.

The argument is that he's a [kittycat] with no fight to his game who leaves us cheering when he simply engages along the boards and wins a puck battle, and particularly during the playoffs we would like a team full of players who are willing to meaningfully engage on the forecheck and win puck battles like their lives depend on it rather than shamefully shying away.

Perhaps I'm being blunt enough.

I wasn’t responding to you and have no beef with your stance at all - I’m in favor of trading Kyrou for the right piece (young top pairing or #3 d-man that shoots right, or a young #2C with team control). But if there’s no deal to be made, I won’t be unhappy, either.
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Gotcha. I agree. Deal or No Deal. Honestly, I'm fine with just going into the season with what we have if nothing presents itself. I'd prefer some entertaining events in the offseason, but like you said if no deal presents itself then so it goes.

[dhsux]

Yes.

It's a culture thing. You simply can't have one of your highest paid players decide when he wants to play. He proved that he can't get through one round. You need four. With a lot of young players coming into the fold, you simply can't have that guy in your room.

He plays when he wants. If you demote him down the lineup, he pouts.

Frankly, I'm surprised no one has gone Bortuzzo on him in practice.

He got hit by a freight train to start that series.

But let's forget that.

[Sudsy 11]

My guess is probably no trade. I don't think Army is going to trade Kyrou for less that what he considers an equivalent value player, preferrably at a position of need (Center or RD). I don't see Army trading Kyrou for multiple lesser pieces which I believe is being offered. However, it only takes one team that really wants Kyrou to increase their offer as July 1 nears to meet Amry's demands. We'll know soon enough.

[Harry York 37]

Yes.

It's a culture thing. You simply can't have one of your highest paid players decide when he wants to play. He proved that he can't get through one round. You need four. With a lot of young players coming into the fold, you simply can't have that guy in your room.

He plays when he wants. If you demote him down the lineup, he pouts.

Frankly, I'm surprised no one has gone Bortuzzo on him in practice.

He got hit by a freight train to start that series.

But let's forget that.

That never stops a big heart though, does it?
But let’s forget that.

The playoffs will always have freight trains. Some can still play well, even though the threat is always there.

[dhsux]

Yes.

It's a culture thing. You simply can't have one of your highest paid players decide when he wants to play. He proved that he can't get through one round. You need four. With a lot of young players coming into the fold, you simply can't have that guy in your room.

He plays when he wants. If you demote him down the lineup, he pouts.

Frankly, I'm surprised no one has gone Bortuzzo on him in practice.

He got hit by a freight train to start that series.

But let's forget that.

That never stops a big heart though, does it?
But let’s forget that.

The playoffs will always have freight trains. Some can still play well, even though the threat is always there.

That's ridiculous...to deny sheer impact injury in this game...it's happened to the best.

Is that heart of his the one that scores goals and assists? That makes his legs move fast?

I don't do much running around here pumping him up seems I just spend time responding to all the criticism he takes around here about his play and character.....and it's clear as day to anyone watching he's making effort and strides to improve is full ice play.

I'm happy to stand behind him moving forward. His progress will continue.

[WilliamWestcliffe]

Yes….if they can get a beating heart for him.

Despite whatever the front office is saying, they’ve been trying to get rid of him for years.

Further, you had Doug come out in public a week before their end of season miracle run and state he needs to make serious changes and perhaps he’s overvaluing some of his core players.

Now you have rumors that they might be considering a return of Kirby Dach.

Put two and two together.

[Harry York 37]

Yes.

It's a culture thing. You simply can't have one of your highest paid players decide when he wants to play. He proved that he can't get through one round. You need four. With a lot of young players coming into the fold, you simply can't have that guy in your room.

He plays when he wants. If you demote him down the lineup, he pouts.

Frankly, I'm surprised no one has gone Bortuzzo on him in practice.

He got hit by a freight train to start that series.

But let's forget that.

That never stops a big heart though, does it?
But let’s forget that.

The playoffs will always have freight trains. Some can still play well, even though the threat is always there.

That's ridiculous...to deny sheer impact injury in this game...it's happened to the best.

Is that heart of his the one that scores goals and assists? That makes his legs move fast?

I don't do much running around here pumping him up seems I just spend time responding to all the criticism he takes around here about his play and character.....and it's clear as day to anyone watching he's making effort and strides to improve is full ice play.

I'm happy to stand behind him moving forward. His progress will continue.

I agree the progress will continue. Playing with a winger even smaller than he is and who has an actual big heart and a burning desire to win, will continue to embarrass and inspire him.

Funny that a Blues fan with such admirable passion for the team can …overlook the gigantic faults in a player who got the Chief fired because of lazy and thoughtless play, and who let his team down in such a shameful way
I never think of either of the above acts as “Bleeding Blue”.

The Stanley Cup Playoffs ARE a freight trains. That is why it is the hardest trophy to win I’m ALL sports.
A Champion doesn’t let one bad hit …. Make him quit giving 100%.

[Zizzle1297]

I wouldnt understand the Mattison unless Leddy goes somewhere.

[Bluesfan1978]

No, for two reasons.

First,the return is not what a Doug Armstrong will settle for.
Second, the return might never be there because what GM wants to boast to his fan base, “ I just landed the guy described two short months ago on network television as “Showing the least compete I have ever seen in a Game Seven”?

Bud White- brother I am with you. Dressing a disinterested 6’1” 196 pound Nancy boy in the Stanley Cup playoffs is about as ugly a look as you might find. Showing Zach Sanford the right way to play Blues hockey ain’t the same as slapping some sense into the kid who got Craig Berube fired.

We will be stuck with him for the next five years.
Another year of Holloway’s example will do him some good.
It will be hard to forget how astoundingly painful it was to watch him let his teammates down when they needed him the most.

For what it’s worth it looks like Kyrou is putting in the work this offseason.