Report: Habs, Blues among teams in trade talks for Islanders' Dobson

[dhsux]

So we are all in on a guy whos had one outstanding season? That season is an outlier vs last yr aside from a 50pt season. If you know me i trust Army and co. but does anyone else feel like there is at least a tangible amount of risk here?

There should be NO trade with discernible risk in moving JK.

[skilles]

Well this is all probably moot because per Friedman who is prob the most trust worthy of all the rumor mongers, Dobson wants to play in the Eastern Conference. So it may be more him not wanting the Blues than the Blues wanting him.

https://x.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1938591516727070891

He can have a preference all he wants, he has no decision in it.

He'll be an RFA so the only leverage he has is to sign a contract.

He isn't going to get an offer sheet as no one is giving up 2 1sts, 2nd, 3rd rounder or 4 1sts for him.

Now he doesn't have to sign a long term contract, but the more you put off a long term extension the longer bad things can happen and you can hurt your odds.

If the Blues give an offer that the Islanders accept, it would absolutely be in his best interest to sign a minimum 2 year deal if not a 4 year deal, get to UFA and then he can go back to the Eastern conference if he wants.

That is not true at all, he has all kinds of leverage. Nobody is going to win the bidding war if he tells them he wants 13 million.

He really might as well have a no trade clause as a RFA, he has a ton of control over where he goes.

[Old_Goat]

As much as I would love Dobson for Kyrou I just don't see it from the Islanders perspective.
Yes, they need to get faster & more skilled upfront but they really need a center.

I also don't see them taking on another expensive soft RW.
If they land Kyrou they would have over 17 million per year tied up on Kyrou & Barzal for the next 6 years.
Those 2 fluffers would make the Isles look like Toronto Light when they had Marner & Nylander.

The other GM named Armstrong is now in the position to land Dobson if he has the ballz to make a bold move.
Utah wants to win now and can parlay that #4 pick to land their 1RHD

Sergachev-Dobson
Maatta-Marino
Cole-Durzi
Valimaki-Lamoureux

That's a veteran group besides Lamoureux.
Acquiring Dobson would allow Utah to slot down Marino and Durzi one notch where they belong.

Utah has Simashev, Skahan, Duda & other LHD on the way. Most of them are trees.
Marino and Durzi have 2 & 3 years left respectively on their contracts which allows Lamoureux to marinate.
If Lamoureux proves that he is ready for full time primetime before then, Utah can trade Marino or Durzi because of their positional demand.

Utah still has Beaudoin, But, and Iginla as their forward prospects.
If they land Dobson they'll make the playoffs for sure.

The Islanders would love to get a top center in this draft to go along with Schaefer.
They'll get one with that 4th overall pick.

The center they get with pick 4 would go well with Ritchie at center in a few years.
By the time those 2 guys are ready for full time action would be perfect timing to move Horvat to wing since he's getting old and isn't much of a playmaker anyway.

There are 3 very bold GM's in the league and the Islanders new GM (Darche) cut his teeth under one of them.
Trading Dobson for a high pick (and probably another prospect) instead of an NHL player would indicate a rebuild.
If this scenario plays out look for a fire sale by NY especially at the TDL.
Lee, Pageau, Pelech, & Palmieri.

It's fun to speculate, but aren't top 5 picks rarely traded for immediate help?

Montreal is definitely one of the many teams that desperately need a top RHD.

Good analysis, good post. It would be a win-win for Isles and Utah. Utah gets D-man who's ready now. Isles can pick Schaefer and use that 4th pick for what they would hope to be local kid Hagens.
But back to the Blues Forum...

[noted]

Well this is all probably moot because per Friedman who is prob the most trust worthy of all the rumor mongers, Dobson wants to play in the Eastern Conference. So it may be more him not wanting the Blues than the Blues wanting him.

https://x.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1938591516727070891

He can have a preference all he wants, he has no decision in it.

He'll be an RFA so the only leverage he has is to sign a contract.

He isn't going to get an offer sheet as no one is giving up 2 1sts, 2nd, 3rd rounder or 4 1sts for him.

Now he doesn't have to sign a long term contract, but the more you put off a long term extension the longer bad things can happen and you can hurt your odds.

If the Blues give an offer that the Islanders accept, it would absolutely be in his best interest to sign a minimum 2 year deal if not a 4 year deal, get to UFA and then he can go back to the Eastern conference if he wants.

He has all kinds of leverage. He's only a RFA for 1 more year. He is a UFA at this time next year. If he's not coming with a long extension, Blues don't do deal.

[TheJackBurton]

Well this is all probably moot because per Friedman who is prob the most trust worthy of all the rumor mongers, Dobson wants to play in the Eastern Conference. So it may be more him not wanting the Blues than the Blues wanting him.

https://x.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1938591516727070891

He can have a preference all he wants, he has no decision in it.

He'll be an RFA so the only leverage he has is to sign a contract.

He isn't going to get an offer sheet as no one is giving up 2 1sts, 2nd, 3rd rounder or 4 1sts for him.

Now he doesn't have to sign a long term contract, but the more you put off a long term extension the longer bad things can happen and you can hurt your odds.

If the Blues give an offer that the Islanders accept, it would absolutely be in his best interest to sign a minimum 2 year deal if not a 4 year deal, get to UFA and then he can go back to the Eastern conference if he wants.

That is not true at all, he has all kinds of leverage. Nobody is going to wing the bidding war if he tells them he wants 13 million.

He really might as well have a no trade clause as a RFA, he has a ton of control over where he goes.

What good would that do him? He can demand 13 million all day long, he isn't getting it from anyone. Not one single team would remotely consider that.

Sitting out doesn't do him any good, and again he isn't going to get an offer sheet as the amount he would sign would require the highest compensation and teams aren't going to give that up.

He can give a preference, that's it. The only thing that does is improve the Isles return, that's all. He isn't sitting out the year, so if the Blues were the winner, he is going to sign a contract with us, or any team that trades for him. What he does have control over is the length, that's all.

[callitwhatyouwant]

Looks like we are out. Just the other 2 remain.

[TheJackBurton]

Looks like we are out. Just the other 2 remain.

I'd assume it got past the puke point.

If an offer that likely included Kyrou wasn't good enough, then Montreal and Columbus are probably paying way over market price.

[noted]

Well this is all probably moot because per Friedman who is prob the most trust worthy of all the rumor mongers, Dobson wants to play in the Eastern Conference. So it may be more him not wanting the Blues than the Blues wanting him.

https://x.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1938591516727070891

He can have a preference all he wants, he has no decision in it.

He'll be an RFA so the only leverage he has is to sign a contract.

He isn't going to get an offer sheet as no one is giving up 2 1sts, 2nd, 3rd rounder or 4 1sts for him.

Now he doesn't have to sign a long term contract, but the more you put off a long term extension the longer bad things can happen and you can hurt your odds.

If the Blues give an offer that the Islanders accept, it would absolutely be in his best interest to sign a minimum 2 year deal if not a 4 year deal, get to UFA and then he can go back to the Eastern conference if he wants.

That is not true at all, he has all kinds of leverage. Nobody is going to wing the bidding war if he tells them he wants 13 million.

He really might as well have a no trade clause as a RFA, he has a ton of control over where he goes.

What good would that do him? He can demand 13 million all day long, he isn't getting it from anyone. Not one single team would remotely consider that.

Sitting out doesn't do him any good, and again he isn't going to get an offer sheet as the amount he would sign would require the highest compensation and teams aren't going to give that up.

He can give a preference, that's it. The only thing that does is improve the Isles return, that's all. He isn't sitting out the year, so if the Blues were the winner, he is going to sign a contract with us, or any team that trades for him. What he does have control over is the length, that's all.

If he's not coming with an extension, a team would be dumb to trade for him. You only get him for 1 year at arbitration number. You can't force him to sign for multiple years. He has a lot of leverage.

[moose-and-squirrel]

Looks like we are out. Just the other 2 remain.

I'd assume it got past the puke point.

If an offer that likely included Kyrou wasn't good enough, then Montreal and Columbus are probably paying way over market price.

the offer might have been good enough, but if he isn't going to extend then it makes no sense for STL

[skilles]

Looks like we are out. Just the other 2 remain.

I'd assume it got past the puke point.

If an offer that likely included Kyrou wasn't good enough, then Montreal and Columbus are probably paying way over market price.

Every year players like this in fan talks include player like Kyrou going the other way and almost every time the player goes for a package of lesser assets. Maybe Kyrou was offered but I don't think its likely at all.

My guess is our 1st and a couple prospects + cap dump(faulk)

[b-a-a-a-rclay]

Looks like we are out. Just the other 2 remain.

I'd assume it got past the puke point.

If an offer that likely included Kyrou wasn't good enough, then Montreal and Columbus are probably paying way over market price.

the offer might have been good enough, but if he isn't going to extend then it makes no sense for STL

Yep.

[TheJackBurton]

Well this is all probably moot because per Friedman who is prob the most trust worthy of all the rumor mongers, Dobson wants to play in the Eastern Conference. So it may be more him not wanting the Blues than the Blues wanting him.

https://x.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1938591516727070891

He can have a preference all he wants, he has no decision in it.

He'll be an RFA so the only leverage he has is to sign a contract.

He isn't going to get an offer sheet as no one is giving up 2 1sts, 2nd, 3rd rounder or 4 1sts for him.

Now he doesn't have to sign a long term contract, but the more you put off a long term extension the longer bad things can happen and you can hurt your odds.

If the Blues give an offer that the Islanders accept, it would absolutely be in his best interest to sign a minimum 2 year deal if not a 4 year deal, get to UFA and then he can go back to the Eastern conference if he wants.

That is not true at all, he has all kinds of leverage. Nobody is going to wing the bidding war if he tells them he wants 13 million.

He really might as well have a no trade clause as a RFA, he has a ton of control over where he goes.

What good would that do him? He can demand 13 million all day long, he isn't getting it from anyone. Not one single team would remotely consider that.

Sitting out doesn't do him any good, and again he isn't going to get an offer sheet as the amount he would sign would require the highest compensation and teams aren't going to give that up.

He can give a preference, that's it. The only thing that does is improve the Isles return, that's all. He isn't sitting out the year, so if the Blues were the winner, he is going to sign a contract with us, or any team that trades for him. What he does have control over is the length, that's all.

If he's not coming with an extension, a team would be dumb to trade for him. You only get him for 1 year at arbitration number. You can't force him to sign for multiple years. He has a lot of leverage.

The extension improves the return.

No you can't force him, but then you wouldn't be giving up much either.

Anyway, it's moot as it sounds like we are out.

I'm assuming Columbus/Montreal are going past the puke point.

[seattleblue]

Thanks JC. I think he would be a nice get and fit in the organizational plan. I'm not worried about his +/- or his production drop off. He will recover from that. I fear the Blues will be losing some good players like Kyrou and/or Bolduc, but this makes sense. If we lose both of them, I think we will be getting more back than just Dobson. I think Kyrou for Dobson straight up is fair.

Respectfully I disagree. Kyrou is worth way more than just a defenseman

You genuinely think that people talking about this idea think Dobson is just a defenseman?

This is a proposed trade for a 24 min cornerstone defenseman. The list of defenseman who have put up 70 pts by age 24 this century is small and Dobson is on it. Kyrou for Dobson would make this team an instant level up. Dobson-Parayko on the right side are you kidding?

With only 1 year left, I’m not taking that risk. If Isles don’t like a lesser package then tell them to keep him and take their chances with him then

That is not a concern. Armstrong spelled it out literally yesterday when he specified he's not acquiring a major RFA piece who walks. There would be an extension.

[bluetunehead]

Thanks JC. I think he would be a nice get and fit in the organizational plan. I'm not worried about his +/- or his production drop off. He will recover from that. I fear the Blues will be losing some good players like Kyrou and/or Bolduc, but this makes sense. If we lose both of them, I think we will be getting more back than just Dobson. I think Kyrou for Dobson straight up is fair.

Respectfully I disagree. Kyrou is worth way more than just a defenseman

You genuinely think that people talking about this idea think Dobson is just a defenseman?

This is a proposed trade for a 24 min cornerstone defenseman. The list of defenseman who have put up 70 pts by age 24 this century is small and Dobson is on it. Kyrou for Dobson would make this team an instant level up. Dobson-Parayko on the right side are you kidding?

With only 1 year left, I’m not taking that risk. If Isles don’t like a lesser package then tell them to keep him and take their chances with him then

That is not a concern. Armstrong spelled it out literally yesterday when he specified he's not acquiring a major RFA piece who walks. There would be an extension.

Yeah the trade would only be for Dobson with an extension. It simply wouldn't happen otherwise.