Report: Habs, Blues among teams in trade talks for Islanders' Dobson

[John Cocktoastin]

The Montreal Canadiens and St. Louis Blues are among the teams involved in trade talks with the New York Islanders for defenseman Noah Dobson, TSN's Chris Johnston reported on Thursday's episode of 'Insider Trading.'

Dobson tallied 10 goals and 39 points in 71 games last season to lead all Islanders defenders in scoring. He ranked second to Tony DeAngelo on New York by averaging 23:16, and his minus-16 rating was second-worst on the roster.


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[hockey jedi]

Thanks JC. I think he would be a nice get and fit in the organizational plan. I'm not worried about his +/- or his production drop off. He will recover from that. I fear the Blues will be losing some good players like Kyrou and/or Bolduc, but this makes sense. If we lose both of them, I think we will be getting more back than just Dobson. I think Kyrou for Dobson straight up is fair.

[netboy65]

Thanks JC. I think he would be a nice get and fit in the organizational plan. I'm not worried about his +/- or his production drop off. He will recover from that. I fear the Blues will be losing some good players like Kyrou and/or Bolduc, but this makes sense. If we lose both of them, I think we will be getting more back than just Dobson. I think Kyrou for Dobson straight up is fair.

Respectfully I disagree. Kyrou is worth way more than just a defenseman

[rezero]

Thanks JC. I think he would be a nice get and fit in the organizational plan. I'm not worried about his +/- or his production drop off. He will recover from that. I fear the Blues will be losing some good players like Kyrou and/or Bolduc, but this makes sense. If we lose both of them, I think we will be getting more back than just Dobson. I think Kyrou for Dobson straight up is fair.

Why would a team overflowing with high dollar defensemen need another at the cost of a high scoring wing or a top prospect. Both would be horrible trades from Blues side.

[zamadoo]

Thanks JC. I think he would be a nice get and fit in the organizational plan. I'm not worried about his +/- or his production drop off. He will recover from that. I fear the Blues will be losing some good players like Kyrou and/or Bolduc, but this makes sense. If we lose both of them, I think we will be getting more back than just Dobson. I think Kyrou for Dobson straight up is fair.

Respectfully I disagree. Kyrou is worth way more than just a defenseman

How about Kyrou+Faulk for Dobson+Pageau+draft picks (say a 1st or 2nd and 3rd?)

[bluetunehead]

Thanks JC. I think he would be a nice get and fit in the organizational plan. I'm not worried about his +/- or his production drop off. He will recover from that. I fear the Blues will be losing some good players like Kyrou and/or Bolduc, but this makes sense. If we lose both of them, I think we will be getting more back than just Dobson. I think Kyrou for Dobson straight up is fair.

Why would a team overflowing with high dollar defensemen need another at the cost of a high scoring wing or a top prospect. Both would be horrible trades from Blues side.

How many of our high dollar defenseman are in their 20s?

[Bubble4427]

Thanks JC. I think he would be a nice get and fit in the organizational plan. I'm not worried about his +/- or his production drop off. He will recover from that. I fear the Blues will be losing some good players like Kyrou and/or Bolduc, but this makes sense. If we lose both of them, I think we will be getting more back than just Dobson. I think Kyrou for Dobson straight up is fair.

Respectfully I disagree. Kyrou is worth way more than just a defenseman

How about Kyrou+Faulk for Dobson+Pageau+draft picks (say a 1st or 2nd and 3rd?)

The Isles would never do that.

[zamadoo]

Thanks JC. I think he would be a nice get and fit in the organizational plan. I'm not worried about his +/- or his production drop off. He will recover from that. I fear the Blues will be losing some good players like Kyrou and/or Bolduc, but this makes sense. If we lose both of them, I think we will be getting more back than just Dobson. I think Kyrou for Dobson straight up is fair.

Respectfully I disagree. Kyrou is worth way more than just a defenseman

How about Kyrou+Faulk for Dobson+Pageau+draft picks (say a 1st or 2nd and 3rd?)

The Isles would never do that.

I'm not sure why they're even trading Dobson. Will he not sign with them?

[seattleblue]

Thanks JC. I think he would be a nice get and fit in the organizational plan. I'm not worried about his +/- or his production drop off. He will recover from that. I fear the Blues will be losing some good players like Kyrou and/or Bolduc, but this makes sense. If we lose both of them, I think we will be getting more back than just Dobson. I think Kyrou for Dobson straight up is fair.

Respectfully I disagree. Kyrou is worth way more than just a defenseman

You genuinely think that people talking about this idea think Dobson is just a defenseman?

This is a proposed trade for a 24 min cornerstone defenseman. The list of defenseman who have put up 70 pts by age 24 this century is small and Dobson is on it. Kyrou for Dobson would make this team an instant level up. Dobson-Parayko on the right side are you kidding?

[TheHighHat]

As much as I would love Dobson for Kyrou I just don't see it from the Islanders perspective.
Yes, they need to get faster & more skilled upfront but they really need a center.

I also don't see them taking on another expensive soft RW.
If they land Kyrou they would have over 17 million per year tied up on Kyrou & Barzal for the next 6 years.
Those 2 fluffers would make the Isles look like Toronto Light when they had Marner & Nylander.

The other GM named Armstrong is now in the position to land Dobson if he has the ballz to make a bold move.
Utah wants to win now and can parlay that #4 pick to land their 1RHD

Sergachev-Dobson
Maatta-Marino
Cole-Durzi
Valimaki-Lamoureux

That's a veteran group besides Lamoureux.
Acquiring Dobson would allow Utah to slot down Marino and Durzi one notch where they belong.

Utah has Simashev, Skahan, Duda & other LHD on the way. Most of them are trees.
Marino and Durzi have 2 & 3 years left respectively on their contracts which allows Lamoureux to marinate.
If Lamoureux proves that he is ready for full time primetime before then, Utah can trade Marino or Durzi because of their positional demand.

Utah still has Beaudoin, But, and Iginla as their forward prospects.
If they land Dobson they'll make the playoffs for sure.

The Islanders would love to get a top center in this draft to go along with Schaefer.
They'll get one with that 4th overall pick.

The center they get with pick 4 would go well with Ritchie at center in a few years.
By the time those 2 guys are ready for full time action would be perfect timing to move Horvat to wing since he's getting old and isn't much of a playmaker anyway.

There are 3 very bold GM's in the league and the Islanders new GM (Darche) cut his teeth under one of them.
Trading Dobson for a high pick (and probably another prospect) instead of an NHL player would indicate a rebuild.
If this scenario plays out look for a fire sale by NY especially at the TDL.
Lee, Pageau, Pelech, & Palmieri.

It's fun to speculate, but aren't top 5 picks rarely traded for immediate help?

Montreal is definitely one of the many teams that desperately need a top RHD.

[netboy65]

Thanks JC. I think he would be a nice get and fit in the organizational plan. I'm not worried about his +/- or his production drop off. He will recover from that. I fear the Blues will be losing some good players like Kyrou and/or Bolduc, but this makes sense. If we lose both of them, I think we will be getting more back than just Dobson. I think Kyrou for Dobson straight up is fair.

Respectfully I disagree. Kyrou is worth way more than just a defenseman

You genuinely think that people talking about this idea think Dobson is just a defenseman?

This is a proposed trade for a 24 min cornerstone defenseman. The list of defenseman who have put up 70 pts by age 24 this century is small and Dobson is on it. Kyrou for Dobson would make this team an instant level up. Dobson-Parayko on the right side are you kidding?

With only 1 year left, I’m not taking that risk. If Isles don’t like a lesser package then tell them to keep him and take their chances with him then

[John Cocktoastin]

Pretty sure it would be a sign and trade. No way we do it otherwise.

[noted]

Thanks JC. I think he would be a nice get and fit in the organizational plan. I'm not worried about his +/- or his production drop off. He will recover from that. I fear the Blues will be losing some good players like Kyrou and/or Bolduc, but this makes sense. If we lose both of them, I think we will be getting more back than just Dobson. I think Kyrou for Dobson straight up is fair.

Respectfully I disagree. Kyrou is worth way more than just a defenseman

He’s not just a defenseman. He put up 70 points in a season.

[hockey jedi]

You have to give value to get value. It works both ways. I don't want to trade Kyrou or Bolduc. However, Kyrou's name is being suggested as a trade bait by the national media. Furthermore, when the Blues won the Cup, our defense was much better than it has been the last couple of years. Finally, Rezero, you made my point for me. We have a bunch of defensemen with contracts that don't reflect their contribution. Doesn't anybody think Army is kicking the tires on Dobson? I do. This is Army's kind of deal.

[Pierre McGuire]

I think Army might be able to get it done without moving Kyrou. I’ll put my faith in Army.

[zamadoo]

As much as I would love Dobson for Kyrou I just don't see it from the Islanders perspective.
Yes, they need to get faster & more skilled upfront but they really need a center.

I also don't see them taking on another expensive soft RW.
If they land Kyrou they would have over 17 million per year tied up on Kyrou & Barzal for the next 6 years.
Those 2 fluffers would make the Isles look like Toronto Light when they had Marner & Nylander.

The other GM named Armstrong is now in the position to land Dobson if he has the ballz to make a bold move.
Utah wants to win now and can parlay that #4 pick to land their 1RHD

Sergachev-Dobson
Maatta-Marino
Cole-Durzi
Valimaki-Lamoureux

That's a veteran group besides Lamoureux.
Acquiring Dobson would allow Utah to slot down Marino and Durzi one notch where they belong.

Utah has Simashev, Skahan, Duda & other LHD on the way. Most of them are trees.
Marino and Durzi have 2 & 3 years left respectively on their contracts which allows Lamoureux to marinate.
If Lamoureux proves that he is ready for full time primetime before then, Utah can trade Marino or Durzi because of their positional demand.

Utah still has Beaudoin, But, and Iginla as their forward prospects.
If they land Dobson they'll make the playoffs for sure.

The Islanders would love to get a top center in this draft to go along with Schaefer.
They'll get one with that 4th overall pick.

The center they get with pick 4 would go well with Ritchie at center in a few years.
By the time those 2 guys are ready for full time action would be perfect timing to move Horvat to wing since he's getting old and isn't much of a playmaker anyway.

There are 3 very bold GM's in the league and the Islanders new GM (Darche) cut his teeth under one of them.
Trading Dobson for a high pick (and probably another prospect) instead of an NHL player would indicate a rebuild.
If this scenario plays out look for a fire sale by NY especially at the TDL.
Lee, Pageau, Pelech, & Palmieri.

It's fun to speculate, but aren't top 5 picks rarely traded for immediate help?

Montreal is definitely one of the many teams that desperately need a top RHD.

This is very well thought out and written up. I'm not sure I completely agree, but it's at least as plausible and sensible as what we're throwing out there. Really just not sure the Isles are ready to tank and instead are going to want to bolster their current roster. They just re-signed Palmieri to a 2 year deal.