Report: Habs, Blues among teams in trade talks for Islanders' Dobson

[skilles]

Strick reporting that Dobson is asking for north of $10 million.

Thats just not likely to bring a huge return IMO if its true

Dobson has quite a bit of leverage here for being a UFA.

RFA
He's only 25. He hasn't hit the age limit to be an UFA yet.

lol Yeah that is what I meant but apparently my fingers liked the U instead of the R

[leedog68]

So he's RFA July 1 2025. Say he goes to arbitration and gets a 1 year deal with whoever holds his rights for 25-26. What is his status July 1 2026? Still RFA or UFA?

[tfriede2]

So he's RFA July 1 2025. Say he goes to arbitration and gets a 1 year deal with whoever holds his rights for 25-26. What is his status July 1 2026? Still RFA or UFA?

UFA - that’s why if any team trades for him, it will come with with a signed extension.

[netboy65]

Thanks JC. I think he would be a nice get and fit in the organizational plan. I'm not worried about his +/- or his production drop off. He will recover from that. I fear the Blues will be losing some good players like Kyrou and/or Bolduc, but this makes sense. If we lose both of them, I think we will be getting more back than just Dobson. I think Kyrou for Dobson straight up is fair.

Respectfully I disagree. Kyrou is worth way more than just a defenseman

He’s not just a defenseman. He put up 70 points in a season.

So does Kyrou. I find it funny that some people are all up in arms over a forward that may have defensive shortcomings but are perfectly happy with a defenseman with the same problem.

[noted]

Thanks JC. I think he would be a nice get and fit in the organizational plan. I'm not worried about his +/- or his production drop off. He will recover from that. I fear the Blues will be losing some good players like Kyrou and/or Bolduc, but this makes sense. If we lose both of them, I think we will be getting more back than just Dobson. I think Kyrou for Dobson straight up is fair.

Respectfully I disagree. Kyrou is worth way more than just a defenseman

He’s not just a defenseman. He put up 70 points in a season.

So does Kyrou. I find it funny that some people are all up in arms over a forward that may have defensive shortcomings but are perfectly happy with a defenseman with the same problem.

I find it funny that some people don’t realize a dman that can put up 70 points is much more rare than a forward that can. Dobson is also a good defensively per metrics.

[MizTruBlueLuvzU]

So what's the plan to replace the 40 goals we lose by trading kyrou? This team needs to become more dynamic, not less. Not a fan of this.

[Tony Palazzolo]

So what's the plan to replace the 40 goals we lose by trading kyrou? This team needs to become more dynamic, not less. Not a fan of this.

I agree that I'd hate to lose Kyrou. However, you are replacing his points with a defenseman. All of a sudden you have a very stout scoring defense core. You somewhat figure that over the next couple of seasons the young forwards that are here and the ones that are almost here are taking the next steps. Although you'd miss Kyrou you are replacing him with Snuggs and possibly Dvorsky.

[netboy65]

Thanks JC. I think he would be a nice get and fit in the organizational plan. I'm not worried about his +/- or his production drop off. He will recover from that. I fear the Blues will be losing some good players like Kyrou and/or Bolduc, but this makes sense. If we lose both of them, I think we will be getting more back than just Dobson. I think Kyrou for Dobson straight up is fair.

Respectfully I disagree. Kyrou is worth way more than just a defenseman

He’s not just a defenseman. He put up 70 points in a season.

So does Kyrou. I find it funny that some people are all up in arms over a forward that may have defensive shortcomings but are perfectly happy with a defenseman with the same problem.

I find it funny that some people don’t realize a dman that can put up 70 points is much more rare than a forward that can. Dobson is also a good defensively per metrics.

It is, but the cost is prohibitive. Do you really want to pay him that much? He’s just another Karlsson

[Corban84]

Another karlsson in his prime....yes please

[TheHighHat]

So what's the plan to replace the 40 goals we lose by trading kyrou? This team needs to become more dynamic, not less. Not a fan of this.

Snuggerud played 7 games last year. He’s Kyrou’s replacement.

If we trade Kyrou I think it will actually hurt our 3rd line more than our top 6 because we would have to move up Neighbours or Bolduc to the 2nd line. The 3rd line would then be 2 good players short.

Holloway-Thomas-Buchnevich
Neighbours-Schenn-Snuggerud

Fowler-Parayko
Broberg-Dobson
Leddy-Faulk

Doubtful we can afford all 6 but that would be a helluva a d-men group.
Tucker fills in when needed.

I don't feel you can win a Cup with a shrinking violet in your top 6.
Look at the teams that win.
They have big d-men even if they're not super physical and forwards willing to take hits to make plays and go to the front of the net to score.

6 months ago if someone brought up if we should trade Kyrou for Seth Jones, they would have been laughed off the forum.
Call Bill Zito now and ask him for Jones. You'll hear a click.

It's all about getting big d-men that are mobile and/or physical.
Perhaps more importantly it's about having them slotted correctly on your team.

Jones isn't the type of player to lead a d-men group as his play in Chicago proved. However, since Florida has two other d-men that are #2 types like Forsling and Ekblad, a player like Jones can focus on playing a solid all around game instead of worrying about being the man. Jones ended up getting the most ice time on a Cup winning team. Not many would have predicted that.

Dobson at 25 years old would be a great get.

[Francis Park Thug]

So what's the plan to replace the 40 goals we lose by trading kyrou? This team needs to become more dynamic, not less. Not a fan of this.

Snuggerud played 7 games last year. He’s Kyrou’s replacement.

If we trade Kyrou I think it will actually hurt our 3rd line more than our top 6 because we would have to move up Neighbours or Bolduc to the 2nd line. The 3rd line would then be 2 good players short.

Holloway-Thomas-Buchnevich
Neighbours-Schenn-Snuggerud

Fowler-Parayko
Broberg-Dobson
Leddy-Faulk

Doubtful we can afford all 6 but that would be a helluva a d-men group.
Tucker fills in when needed.

I don't feel you can win a Cup with a shrinking violet in your top 6.
Look at the teams that win.
They have big d-men even if they're not super physical and forwards willing to take hits to make plays and go to the front of the net to score.

6 months ago if someone brought up if we should trade Kyrou for Seth Jones, they would have been laughed off the forum.
Call Bill Zito now and ask him for Jones. You'll hear a click.

It's all about getting big d-men that are mobile and/or physical.
Perhaps more importantly it's about having them slotted correctly on your team.

Jones isn't the type of player to lead a d-men group as his play in Chicago proved. However, since Florida has two other d-men that are #2 types like Forsling and Ekblad, a player like Jones can focus on playing a solid all around game instead of worrying about being the man. Jones ended up getting the most ice time on a Cup winning team. Not many would have predicted that.

Dobson at 25 years old would be a great get.

Do you think Jimmy S is going to score 35 goals next year?
Do you think he will lead the team in plus minus?
The answer is no.
Maybe in 5 years.

[bud white]

So what's the plan to replace the 40 goals we lose by trading kyrou? This team needs to become more dynamic, not less. Not a fan of this.

I agree that I'd hate to lose Kyrou. However, you are replacing his points with a defenseman. All of a sudden you have a very stout scoring defense core. You somewhat figure that over the next couple of seasons the young forwards that are here and the ones that are almost here are taking the next steps. Although you'd miss Kyrou you are replacing him with Snuggs and possibly Dvorsky.

Dobson also is shown to join the offense frequently and makes smart decisions when he does so. Certainly fits with Monty's game plan.

[TheJackBurton]

So what's the plan to replace the 40 goals we lose by trading kyrou? This team needs to become more dynamic, not less. Not a fan of this.

Snuggerud played 7 games last year. He’s Kyrou’s replacement.

If we trade Kyrou I think it will actually hurt our 3rd line more than our top 6 because we would have to move up Neighbours or Bolduc to the 2nd line. The 3rd line would then be 2 good players short.

Holloway-Thomas-Buchnevich
Neighbours-Schenn-Snuggerud

Fowler-Parayko
Broberg-Dobson
Leddy-Faulk

Doubtful we can afford all 6 but that would be a helluva a d-men group.
Tucker fills in when needed.

I don't feel you can win a Cup with a shrinking violet in your top 6.
Look at the teams that win.
They have big d-men even if they're not super physical and forwards willing to take hits to make plays and go to the front of the net to score.

6 months ago if someone brought up if we should trade Kyrou for Seth Jones, they would have been laughed off the forum.
Call Bill Zito now and ask him for Jones. You'll hear a click.

It's all about getting big d-men that are mobile and/or physical.
Perhaps more importantly it's about having them slotted correctly on your team.

Jones isn't the type of player to lead a d-men group as his play in Chicago proved. However, since Florida has two other d-men that are #2 types like Forsling and Ekblad, a player like Jones can focus on playing a solid all around game instead of worrying about being the man. Jones ended up getting the most ice time on a Cup winning team. Not many would have predicted that.

Dobson at 25 years old would be a great get.

Do you think Jimmy S is going to score 35 goals next year?
Do you think he will lead the team in plus minus?
The answer is no.
Maybe in 5 years.

Next year? Not likely.

It isn't going to take him 5 years though. With his shot and Thomas' passing he'll be hitting the 30 goal mark pretty quickly.

[noted]

Thanks JC. I think he would be a nice get and fit in the organizational plan. I'm not worried about his +/- or his production drop off. He will recover from that. I fear the Blues will be losing some good players like Kyrou and/or Bolduc, but this makes sense. If we lose both of them, I think we will be getting more back than just Dobson. I think Kyrou for Dobson straight up is fair.

Respectfully I disagree. Kyrou is worth way more than just a defenseman

He’s not just a defenseman. He put up 70 points in a season.

So does Kyrou. I find it funny that some people are all up in arms over a forward that may have defensive shortcomings but are perfectly happy with a defenseman with the same problem.

I find it funny that some people don’t realize a dman that can put up 70 points is much more rare than a forward that can. Dobson is also a good defensively per metrics.

It is, but the cost is prohibitive. Do you really want to pay him that much? He’s just another Karlsson

1. Dobson is not Karlsson. He plays a good defensive game also.
2. Karlsson in his prime won 3 Norris trophies and lead the Senators to the Stanley Cup. Let's not pretend that Kyrou has or ever will have that kind of value.

[TheHighHat]

So what's the plan to replace the 40 goals we lose by trading kyrou? This team needs to become more dynamic, not less. Not a fan of this.

Snuggerud played 7 games last year. He’s Kyrou’s replacement.

If we trade Kyrou I think it will actually hurt our 3rd line more than our top 6 because we would have to move up Neighbours or Bolduc to the 2nd line. The 3rd line would then be 2 good players short.

Holloway-Thomas-Buchnevich
Neighbours-Schenn-Snuggerud

Fowler-Parayko
Broberg-Dobson
Leddy-Faulk

Doubtful we can afford all 6 but that would be a helluva a d-men group.
Tucker fills in when needed.

I don't feel you can win a Cup with a shrinking violet in your top 6.
Look at the teams that win.
They have big d-men even if they're not super physical and forwards willing to take hits to make plays and go to the front of the net to score.

6 months ago if someone brought up if we should trade Kyrou for Seth Jones, they would have been laughed off the forum.
Call Bill Zito now and ask him for Jones. You'll hear a click.

It's all about getting big d-men that are mobile and/or physical.
Perhaps more importantly it's about having them slotted correctly on your team.

Jones isn't the type of player to lead a d-men group as his play in Chicago proved. However, since Florida has two other d-men that are #2 types like Forsling and Ekblad, a player like Jones can focus on playing a solid all around game instead of worrying about being the man. Jones ended up getting the most ice time on a Cup winning team. Not many would have predicted that.

Dobson at 25 years old would be a great get.

Do you think Jimmy S is going to score 35 goals next year?
Do you think he will lead the team in plus minus?
The answer is no.
Maybe in 5 years.

No. He might not ever score 35. Who knows?
Dobson can help generate offense.

There’s definitely a chasm on this forum between those that realize how difficult it is to acquire a big, young RHD that can play in all situations vs. a one dimensional scoring winger.

It’s fun to debate but I’ll be floored (and thrilled) if NY takes Kyrou.

[DawgDad]

Thanks JC. I think he would be a nice get and fit in the organizational plan. I'm not worried about his +/- or his production drop off. He will recover from that. I fear the Blues will be losing some good players like Kyrou and/or Bolduc, but this makes sense. If we lose both of them, I think we will be getting more back than just Dobson. I think Kyrou for Dobson straight up is fair.

Respectfully I disagree. Kyrou is worth way more than just a defenseman

He’s not just a defenseman. He put up 70 points in a season.

So does Kyrou. I find it funny that some people are all up in arms over a forward that may have defensive shortcomings but are perfectly happy with a defenseman with the same problem.

I find it funny that some people don’t realize a dman that can put up 70 points is much more rare than a forward that can. Dobson is also a good defensively per metrics.

It is, but the cost is prohibitive. Do you really want to pay him that much? He’s just another Karlsson

1. Dobson is not Karlsson. He plays a good defensive game also.
2. Karlsson in his prime won 3 Norris trophies and lead the Senators to the Stanley Cup. Let's not pretend that Kyrou has or ever will have that kind of value.

Huh? Fact check.