Attendance currently 30,000 per game - big homestand upcoming

[desertrat23]

So in 2012, went to a couple games when one of those days the actual high temp was 112 if I remember right. You'd look at the outside temp your vehicle shows and would assume it was wrong until you heard on the radio that it's instead spot on, lol.
Another was a Sunday afternoon game (girl scouts day) when our younger daughter was in girl scouts. Both were somewhat miserable, although I'm pretty acclimated to summer heat, but for most that isn't the case, and the trend looks to continue to be hotter and for more extreme weather events moving forward.
Another reason new stadium MLB construction needs to incorporate a retractable roof, with the ability to control the indoor temp reasonably, while not forgetting the World Series now includes the possibility of November baseball.

And yet they managed to draw well over 3mil in 2012……it ain’t the heat. There were whole mid tier sections empty last night. Against the Cubs fighting for 1st place. SAD

Yeah, I'm surprised. Really thought the Cards would see bigtime attendance for this series.
Once you lose them, not easy to rehook, maybe kinda like fishing.
Maybe there's some worries with the economy direction, IDK.

People flying, taking cruises, vacationing, restaurants packed…….I don’t think its the economy. BDW/MO (upset) off thousands of hard core fans AND most of those fans are the over 50 crew…..so that group isn’t going and unfortunately I don’t think under 40 crowd cares as much about baseball as us AARP card crew….good luck getting it back. The short sighted BDW cheapness might have permanently screwed his long term revenue

You're right, they're very short-sighted. Part of that short-sightedness is thinking the over 50 crew is who they need to cater to. There are plenty of kids and families who love baseball and love the Cardinals; make sure you get THEM in the door. Focus more on Masyn Winn and Victor Scott and less on Ozzie Smith and Willie McGee.

[Adam2]

So in 2012, went to a couple games when one of those days the actual high temp was 112 if I remember right. You'd look at the outside temp your vehicle shows and would assume it was wrong until you heard on the radio that it's instead spot on, lol.
Another was a Sunday afternoon game (girl scouts day) when our younger daughter was in girl scouts. Both were somewhat miserable, although I'm pretty acclimated to summer heat, but for most that isn't the case, and the trend looks to continue to be hotter and for more extreme weather events moving forward.
Another reason new stadium MLB construction needs to incorporate a retractable roof, with the ability to control the indoor temp reasonably, while not forgetting the World Series now includes the possibility of November baseball.

And yet they managed to draw well over 3mil in 2012……it ain’t the heat. There were whole mid tier sections empty last night. Against the Cubs fighting for 1st place. SAD

Yeah, I'm surprised. Really thought the Cards would see bigtime attendance for this series.
Once you lose them, not easy to rehook, maybe kinda like fishing.
Maybe there's some worries with the economy direction, IDK.

People flying, taking cruises, vacationing, restaurants packed…….I don’t think its the economy. BDW/MO (upset) off thousands of hard core fans AND most of those fans are the over 50 crew…..so that group isn’t going and unfortunately I don’t think under 40 crowd cares as much about baseball as us AARP card crew….good luck getting it back. The short sighted BDW cheapness might have permanently screwed his long term revenue

You're right, they're very short-sighted. Part of that short-sightedness is thinking the over 50 crew is who they need to cater to. There are plenty of kids and families who love baseball and love the Cardinals; make sure you get THEM in the door. Focus more on Masyn Winn and Victor Scott and less on Ozzie Smith and Willie McGee.

Agreed,

there is way too much focus on the cardinals of 1 or 2 generations ago. Should there be some? absolutely. But (specifically on the radio but some on tv) the discussion of Brock, Ozzie, willie, Gibson, Musial, etc is a 100 percent instant turn off to fans under maybe 30. Eyes glazing over immediately. I'm 41 and i sort of enjoy it. But the remote goes straight to streaming services when this is discussed for younger viewers.

Rick Horton the number 1 criminal when it comes to this since Tim McCarver and Mike Shannon have left us.

This probably isn't a popular opinion on this forum since most posters on here are in their 50s, 60s and 70s, but its the reality

[desertrat23]

So in 2012, went to a couple games when one of those days the actual high temp was 112 if I remember right. You'd look at the outside temp your vehicle shows and would assume it was wrong until you heard on the radio that it's instead spot on, lol.
Another was a Sunday afternoon game (girl scouts day) when our younger daughter was in girl scouts. Both were somewhat miserable, although I'm pretty acclimated to summer heat, but for most that isn't the case, and the trend looks to continue to be hotter and for more extreme weather events moving forward.
Another reason new stadium MLB construction needs to incorporate a retractable roof, with the ability to control the indoor temp reasonably, while not forgetting the World Series now includes the possibility of November baseball.

And yet they managed to draw well over 3mil in 2012……it ain’t the heat. There were whole mid tier sections empty last night. Against the Cubs fighting for 1st place. SAD

Yeah, I'm surprised. Really thought the Cards would see bigtime attendance for this series.
Once you lose them, not easy to rehook, maybe kinda like fishing.
Maybe there's some worries with the economy direction, IDK.

People flying, taking cruises, vacationing, restaurants packed…….I don’t think its the economy. BDW/MO (upset) off thousands of hard core fans AND most of those fans are the over 50 crew…..so that group isn’t going and unfortunately I don’t think under 40 crowd cares as much about baseball as us AARP card crew….good luck getting it back. The short sighted BDW cheapness might have permanently screwed his long term revenue

You're right, they're very short-sighted. Part of that short-sightedness is thinking the over 50 crew is who they need to cater to. There are plenty of kids and families who love baseball and love the Cardinals; make sure you get THEM in the door. Focus more on Masyn Winn and Victor Scott and less on Ozzie Smith and Willie McGee.

Agreed,

there is way too much focus on the cardinals of 1 or 2 generations ago. Should there be some? absolutely. But (specifically on the radio but some on tv) the discussion of Brock, Ozzie, willie, Gibson, Musial, etc is a 100 percent instant turn off to fans under maybe 30. Eyes glazing over immediately. I'm 41 and i sort of enjoy it. But the remote goes straight to streaming services when this is discussed for younger viewers.

Rick Horton the number 1 criminal when it comes to this since Tim McCarver and Mike Shannon have left us.

This probably isn't a popular opinion on this forum since most posters on here are in their 50s, 60s and 70s, but its the reality

It really is. The game experience is also tailored to older fans as well.

[Bushiro]

Hi JDW! You are one of those good baseball men that I was talking about. And in answer to your question: yes, to all those things you mentioned. A good example of a DH that wasn't that complete of a ball player was Big Papi for Boston. He almost single-handedly destroyed the Redbirds in what was it '04? And now is a HOFer. He's an icon in Boston and by all accounts genuinely a terrific guy. But if you'll remember, in that series, everything he hit was a frozen rope. Even the foul balls. It just proves the point that not everyone that is using (allegedly) is a jag. And sure, there is a place for the DH. In my opinion that is the American League. Lastly, let me just add that at least Big Mac had the class to retire leaving $10 million per on the table. I would have been spending every day in the trainer's room and dragging my hurting (donkey) out there hitting home runs on one leg until I collected every last dollar I had on my contract. Oh well, there I go rambling again, like the narrator in "The Big Lebowski". You got any of that good sasparilla?

Big Papi was also a roid boy. The let him in but not Rose.

Rose broke the absolute cardinal rule of MLB. The sign prohibiting gambling on the game is in every clubhouse in multiple places and languages. Rose thought the rules didn't apply to him, lied about his gambling for years, even lied about betting on games in which he was involved when he initially admitted to gambling. He shouldn't be in, EVER.

Ortiz only ever tested positive in the "survey" test in 2003 - a test just for MLB and the player's association to see how widespread PED use was.

True but roids determined the outcome of thousands of games and several world series champions. None of those guys should be in the HOF nor should their stats be recognized.

Sure, but he didn't fail a test other than that "survey" test. There was no testing prior to that, and mandatory testing with penalties didn't start 'til 2004.

In case you're missing the point again, you're comparing apples to crankshafts.

Ok what test did Sosa fail then....if Ortiz is in why not Sammy

[AnExParrot]

Hi JDW! You are one of those good baseball men that I was talking about. And in answer to your question: yes, to all those things you mentioned. A good example of a DH that wasn't that complete of a ball player was Big Papi for Boston. He almost single-handedly destroyed the Redbirds in what was it '04? And now is a HOFer. He's an icon in Boston and by all accounts genuinely a terrific guy. But if you'll remember, in that series, everything he hit was a frozen rope. Even the foul balls. It just proves the point that not everyone that is using (allegedly) is a jag. And sure, there is a place for the DH. In my opinion that is the American League. Lastly, let me just add that at least Big Mac had the class to retire leaving $10 million per on the table. I would have been spending every day in the trainer's room and dragging my hurting (donkey) out there hitting home runs on one leg until I collected every last dollar I had on my contract. Oh well, there I go rambling again, like the narrator in "The Big Lebowski". You got any of that good sasparilla?

Big Papi was also a roid boy. The let him in but not Rose.

Rose broke the absolute cardinal rule of MLB. The sign prohibiting gambling on the game is in every clubhouse in multiple places and languages. Rose thought the rules didn't apply to him, lied about his gambling for years, even lied about betting on games in which he was involved when he initially admitted to gambling. He shouldn't be in, EVER.

Ortiz only ever tested positive in the "survey" test in 2003 - a test just for MLB and the player's association to see how widespread PED use was.

True but roids determined the outcome of thousands of games and several world series champions. None of those guys should be in the HOF nor should their stats be recognized.

Sure, but he didn't fail a test other than that "survey" test. There was no testing prior to that, and mandatory testing with penalties didn't start 'til 2004.

In case you're missing the point again, you're comparing apples to crankshafts.

Ok what test did Sosa fail then....if Ortiz is in why not Sammy

Well, Sosa was caught using a corked bat in a game(2003), and he definitely doesn't have the playoff pedigree that Ortiz does. That's a good start if you're sincerely looking for an answer.

[WLTFE]

So in 2012, went to a couple games when one of those days the actual high temp was 112 if I remember right. You'd look at the outside temp your vehicle shows and would assume it was wrong until you heard on the radio that it's instead spot on, lol.
Another was a Sunday afternoon game (girl scouts day) when our younger daughter was in girl scouts. Both were somewhat miserable, although I'm pretty acclimated to summer heat, but for most that isn't the case, and the trend looks to continue to be hotter and for more extreme weather events moving forward.
Another reason new stadium MLB construction needs to incorporate a retractable roof, with the ability to control the indoor temp reasonably, while not forgetting the World Series now includes the possibility of November baseball.

And yet they managed to draw well over 3mil in 2012……it ain’t the heat. There were whole mid tier sections empty last night. Against the Cubs fighting for 1st place. SAD

Yeah, I'm surprised. Really thought the Cards would see bigtime attendance for this series.
Once you lose them, not easy to rehook, maybe kinda like fishing.
Maybe there's some worries with the economy direction, IDK.

People flying, taking cruises, vacationing, restaurants packed…….I don’t think its the economy. BDW/MO (upset) thousands of hard core fans AND most of those fans are the over 50 crew…..so that group isn’t going and unfortunately I don’t think under 40 crowd cares as much about baseball as us AARP card crew….good luck getting it back. The short sighted BDW cheapness might have permanently screwed his long term revenue

Expecting anyone in their 80s to make critical decisions in any business is unacceptable. Their time has passed.

[Goldfan]

So in 2012, went to a couple games when one of those days the actual high temp was 112 if I remember right. You'd look at the outside temp your vehicle shows and would assume it was wrong until you heard on the radio that it's instead spot on, lol.
Another was a Sunday afternoon game (girl scouts day) when our younger daughter was in girl scouts. Both were somewhat miserable, although I'm pretty acclimated to summer heat, but for most that isn't the case, and the trend looks to continue to be hotter and for more extreme weather events moving forward.
Another reason new stadium MLB construction needs to incorporate a retractable roof, with the ability to control the indoor temp reasonably, while not forgetting the World Series now includes the possibility of November baseball.

And yet they managed to draw well over 3mil in 2012……it ain’t the heat. There were whole mid tier sections empty last night. Against the Cubs fighting for 1st place. SAD

Yeah, I'm surprised. Really thought the Cards would see bigtime attendance for this series.
Once you lose them, not easy to rehook, maybe kinda like fishing.
Maybe there's some worries with the economy direction, IDK.

People flying, taking cruises, vacationing, restaurants packed…….I don’t think its the economy. BDW/MO (upset) off thousands of hard core fans AND most of those fans are the over 50 crew…..so that group isn’t going and unfortunately I don’t think under 40 crowd cares as much about baseball as us AARP card crew….good luck getting it back. The short sighted BDW cheapness might have permanently screwed his long term revenue

Expecting anyone in their 80s to make critical decisions in any business is unacceptable. Their time has passed.

Agreed…..and the reigns have apparently been passed to III…..hes a baseball idiot

[ScotchMIrish]

Game 6 of the homestand. 6/25 vs the Cubs. 30,000.

[dugoutrex]

isn't the issue the DH ?

lmfao

[WLTFE]

Game 6 of the homestand. 6/25 vs the Cubs. 30,000.

Is it the DH?

[ScotchMIrish]

isn't the issue the DH ?

lmfao

That's part of it.

Let's sign more free agents with a lousy TV deal and lack of interest.

[60 year Cardinal fan]

So in 2012, went to a couple games when one of those days the actual high temp was 112 if I remember right. You'd look at the outside temp your vehicle shows and would assume it was wrong until you heard on the radio that it's instead spot on, lol.
Another was a Sunday afternoon game (girl scouts day) when our younger daughter was in girl scouts. Both were somewhat miserable, although I'm pretty acclimated to summer heat, but for most that isn't the case, and the trend looks to continue to be hotter and for more extreme weather events moving forward.
Another reason new stadium MLB construction needs to incorporate a retractable roof, with the ability to control the indoor temp reasonably, while not forgetting the World Series now includes the possibility of November baseball.

And yet they managed to draw well over 3mil in 2012……it ain’t the heat. There were whole mid tier sections empty last night. Against the Cubs fighting for 1st place. SAD

Yeah, I'm surprised. Really thought the Cards would see bigtime attendance for this series.
Once you lose them, not easy to rehook, maybe kinda like fishing.
Maybe there's some worries with the economy direction, IDK.

People flying, taking cruises, vacationing, restaurants packed…….I don’t think its the economy. BDW/MO (upset) off thousands of hard core fans AND most of those fans are the over 50 crew…..so that group isn’t going and unfortunately I don’t think under 40 crowd cares as much about baseball as us AARP card crew….good luck getting it back. The short sighted BDW cheapness might have permanently screwed his long term revenue

Expecting anyone in their 80s to make critical decisions in any business is unacceptable. Their time has passed.

Don’t shove us in the ground just yet.

[ScotchMIrish]

Final attendance number for the "big homestand"

35,334
27,283
27,447
27,058
29,545
30,339
32,793

29,971

Right at season average. I'm surprised the Cubs series didn't draw more. Biggest attendance was the first Reds game when they had a concert.

Two division rivals didn't draw more than season average.

[WLTFE]

Final attendance number for the "big homestand"

35,334
27,283
27,447
27,058
29,545
30,339
32,793

29,971

Right at season average. I'm surprised the Cubs series didn't draw more. Biggest attendance was the first Reds game when they had a concert.

Two division rivals didn't draw more than season average.

It's definitely the DH!!!!

[desertrat23]

So in 2012, went to a couple games when one of those days the actual high temp was 112 if I remember right. You'd look at the outside temp your vehicle shows and would assume it was wrong until you heard on the radio that it's instead spot on, lol.
Another was a Sunday afternoon game (girl scouts day) when our younger daughter was in girl scouts. Both were somewhat miserable, although I'm pretty acclimated to summer heat, but for most that isn't the case, and the trend looks to continue to be hotter and for more extreme weather events moving forward.
Another reason new stadium MLB construction needs to incorporate a retractable roof, with the ability to control the indoor temp reasonably, while not forgetting the World Series now includes the possibility of November baseball.

And yet they managed to draw well over 3mil in 2012……it ain’t the heat. There were whole mid tier sections empty last night. Against the Cubs fighting for 1st place. SAD

Yeah, I'm surprised. Really thought the Cards would see bigtime attendance for this series.
Once you lose them, not easy to rehook, maybe kinda like fishing.
Maybe there's some worries with the economy direction, IDK.

People flying, taking cruises, vacationing, restaurants packed…….I don’t think its the economy. BDW/MO (upset) off thousands of hard core fans AND most of those fans are the over 50 crew…..so that group isn’t going and unfortunately I don’t think under 40 crowd cares as much about baseball as us AARP card crew….good luck getting it back. The short sighted BDW cheapness might have permanently screwed his long term revenue

Expecting anyone in their 80s to make critical decisions in any business is unacceptable. Their time has passed.

Don’t shove us in the ground just yet.

Respectfully…is that the demographic buying tickets and food? Corporate sponsorships? Watching on streaming services? Hats and City Connect jerseys? A good business caters its business to those that spend money and will continue to do so for decades to come.

[ScotchMIrish]

Final attendance number for the "big homestand"

35,334
27,283
27,447
27,058
29,545
30,339
32,793

29,971

Right at season average. I'm surprised the Cubs series didn't draw more. Biggest attendance was the first Reds game when they had a concert.

Two division rivals didn't draw more than season average.

It's definitely the DH!!!!

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