That's because WAR is a bogus statistic that means nothing. All of these front office guys/analytic guys who try to build trams on a spreadsheet using WAR have no clue about how baseball games are actually won.....sorry, I'm off the soapbox!JDW wrote: ↑23 Jun 2025 07:33 am So currently the 39-37 Mariners have 4 position players with bWARS of Rodriguez +3.2, Raleigh 4.2, Arozarena 2.6 and Crawford 2.9 = +12.9
Meanwhile the 42-36 Cardinals top 4 position players have Donovan +2.1, Scott 1.7, Arenado 1.4 and Winn 1.1 = +6.3
Mariners have Gilbert, who has been out with injury, Woo and Castillo in their rotation. while the Cards have Gray, Libs and Fedde.
Just surprising to me the Mariners don't have a better record so far. Goes to show the Cards SP's have done well to date, while the Mariners could potentially get a lot better when they get Gilbert back and if they could trade for another decent SP before the deadline.
The Mariners rotation was projected to be good with depth just a year ago. I don't follow them, so not sure what all went down with that.
This might also show how the Cards could be pretty darn good if they had 1 really elite position player.
It's amazing what Raleigh has done so far, it's historically good, but Judge so far is having another historic season, and he plays for the Yankees, so ............
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A lot can happen and raleight cool off, but if season ended today id give it to cal jualst cuz the output is unheard of from a catcher. And he also has good defense. Positional value matters.12xu wrote: ↑23 Jun 2025 07:52 am10 days ago, a post claimed that Judge was having "probably the greatest season in the history of the game" and "no one was talking about it".........Judge still leads MLB in more than a dozen offensive stats while Raleigh leads only in HR.11WSChamps wrote: ↑23 Jun 2025 07:18 amPretty much has my vote for now although it's hard to ignore
Judge.
We are less than half way through the season, and either Judge or Raleigh may cool off, and someone else may catch fire.
Yaneverknow.
I hope Raleigh stays hot and gets the MVP, but if it is a close race between these two, Judge will get it.
That said, i expect him to cool off
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Re: Cal Raleigh
Great post these advanced metrics are like voodoo economicsCardinals4Life wrote: ↑23 Jun 2025 13:26 pmThat's because WAR is a bogus statistic that means nothing. All of these front office guys/analytic guys who try to build trams on a spreadsheet using WAR have no clue about how baseball games are actually won.....sorry, I'm off the soapbox!JDW wrote: ↑23 Jun 2025 07:33 am So currently the 39-37 Mariners have 4 position players with bWARS of Rodriguez +3.2, Raleigh 4.2, Arozarena 2.6 and Crawford 2.9 = +12.9
Meanwhile the 42-36 Cardinals top 4 position players have Donovan +2.1, Scott 1.7, Arenado 1.4 and Winn 1.1 = +6.3
Mariners have Gilbert, who has been out with injury, Woo and Castillo in their rotation. while the Cards have Gray, Libs and Fedde.
Just surprising to me the Mariners don't have a better record so far. Goes to show the Cards SP's have done well to date, while the Mariners could potentially get a lot better when they get Gilbert back and if they could trade for another decent SP before the deadline.
The Mariners rotation was projected to be good with depth just a year ago. I don't follow them, so not sure what all went down with that.
This might also show how the Cards could be pretty darn good if they had 1 really elite position player.
It's amazing what Raleigh has done so far, it's historically good, but Judge so far is having another historic season, and he plays for the Yankees, so ............
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Re: Cal Raleigh
Thanks. Yes, complete nonsense!Honky Tonk Man wrote: ↑23 Jun 2025 13:55 pmGreat post these advanced metrics are like voodoo economicsCardinals4Life wrote: ↑23 Jun 2025 13:26 pmThat's because WAR is a bogus statistic that means nothing. All of these front office guys/analytic guys who try to build trams on a spreadsheet using WAR have no clue about how baseball games are actually won.....sorry, I'm off the soapbox!JDW wrote: ↑23 Jun 2025 07:33 am So currently the 39-37 Mariners have 4 position players with bWARS of Rodriguez +3.2, Raleigh 4.2, Arozarena 2.6 and Crawford 2.9 = +12.9
Meanwhile the 42-36 Cardinals top 4 position players have Donovan +2.1, Scott 1.7, Arenado 1.4 and Winn 1.1 = +6.3
Mariners have Gilbert, who has been out with injury, Woo and Castillo in their rotation. while the Cards have Gray, Libs and Fedde.
Just surprising to me the Mariners don't have a better record so far. Goes to show the Cards SP's have done well to date, while the Mariners could potentially get a lot better when they get Gilbert back and if they could trade for another decent SP before the deadline.
The Mariners rotation was projected to be good with depth just a year ago. I don't follow them, so not sure what all went down with that.
This might also show how the Cards could be pretty darn good if they had 1 really elite position player.
It's amazing what Raleigh has done so far, it's historically good, but Judge so far is having another historic season, and he plays for the Yankees, so ............
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Re: Cal Raleigh
Joey Gallo is the advanced metric girls poster boyCardinals4Life wrote: ↑23 Jun 2025 14:35 pmThanks. Yes, complete nonsense!Honky Tonk Man wrote: ↑23 Jun 2025 13:55 pmGreat post these advanced metrics are like voodoo economicsCardinals4Life wrote: ↑23 Jun 2025 13:26 pmThat's because WAR is a bogus statistic that means nothing. All of these front office guys/analytic guys who try to build trams on a spreadsheet using WAR have no clue about how baseball games are actually won.....sorry, I'm off the soapbox!JDW wrote: ↑23 Jun 2025 07:33 am So currently the 39-37 Mariners have 4 position players with bWARS of Rodriguez +3.2, Raleigh 4.2, Arozarena 2.6 and Crawford 2.9 = +12.9
Meanwhile the 42-36 Cardinals top 4 position players have Donovan +2.1, Scott 1.7, Arenado 1.4 and Winn 1.1 = +6.3
Mariners have Gilbert, who has been out with injury, Woo and Castillo in their rotation. while the Cards have Gray, Libs and Fedde.
Just surprising to me the Mariners don't have a better record so far. Goes to show the Cards SP's have done well to date, while the Mariners could potentially get a lot better when they get Gilbert back and if they could trade for another decent SP before the deadline.
The Mariners rotation was projected to be good with depth just a year ago. I don't follow them, so not sure what all went down with that.
This might also show how the Cards could be pretty darn good if they had 1 really elite position player.
It's amazing what Raleigh has done so far, it's historically good, but Judge so far is having another historic season, and he plays for the Yankees, so ............
Re: Cal Raleigh
Thanks for the update. I don't keep up well with some other teams. Great to hear he's back.Futuregm2 wrote: ↑23 Jun 2025 08:44 amFwiw, Gilbert has been back for 2 starts. He had 10 K’s in 5 IP giving up 2 runs vs the Red Sox on June 16th and he did well vs the Cubs yesterday until the 5th inning. Ended up with the win going 5 IP 8 H 4 R 3 BB 6 K.JDW wrote: ↑23 Jun 2025 07:33 am So currently the 39-37 Mariners have 4 position players with bWARS of Rodriguez +3.2, Raleigh 4.2, Arozarena 2.6 and Crawford 2.9 = +12.9
Meanwhile the 42-36 Cardinals top 4 position players have Donovan +2.1, Scott 1.7, Arenado 1.4 and Winn 1.1 = +6.3
Mariners have Gilbert, who has been out with injury, Woo and Castillo in their rotation. while the Cards have Gray, Libs and Fedde.
Just surprising to me the Mariners don't have a better record so far. Goes to show the Cards SP's have done well to date, while the Mariners could potentially get a lot better when they get Gilbert back and if they could trade for another decent SP before the deadline.
The Mariners rotation was projected to be good with depth just a year ago. I don't follow them, so not sure what all went down with that.
This might also show how the Cards could be pretty darn good if they had 1 really elite position player.
It's amazing what Raleigh has done so far, it's historically good, but Judge so far is having another historic season, and he plays for the Yankees, so ............
Re: Cal Raleigh
Lol, always funny how a teams accumulated WAR correlates better than about anything else out there with a teams W-L.Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑23 Jun 2025 13:26 pmThat's because WAR is a bogus statistic that means nothing. All of these front office guys/analytic guys who try to build trams on a spreadsheet using WAR have no clue about how baseball games are actually won.....sorry, I'm off the soapbox!JDW wrote: ↑23 Jun 2025 07:33 am So currently the 39-37 Mariners have 4 position players with bWARS of Rodriguez +3.2, Raleigh 4.2, Arozarena 2.6 and Crawford 2.9 = +12.9
Meanwhile the 42-36 Cardinals top 4 position players have Donovan +2.1, Scott 1.7, Arenado 1.4 and Winn 1.1 = +6.3
Mariners have Gilbert, who has been out with injury, Woo and Castillo in their rotation. while the Cards have Gray, Libs and Fedde.
Just surprising to me the Mariners don't have a better record so far. Goes to show the Cards SP's have done well to date, while the Mariners could potentially get a lot better when they get Gilbert back and if they could trade for another decent SP before the deadline.
The Mariners rotation was projected to be good with depth just a year ago. I don't follow them, so not sure what all went down with that.
This might also show how the Cards could be pretty darn good if they had 1 really elite position player.
It's amazing what Raleigh has done so far, it's historically good, but Judge so far is having another historic season, and he plays for the Yankees, so ............
Just a funny coincidence that happens year after year after ...........
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Re: Cal Raleigh
It’s not like he wasn’t like this last season either. He was. He should get major consideration if he keep this up.rockondlouie wrote: ↑23 Jun 2025 08:40 amAgreedscoutyjones2 wrote: ↑23 Jun 2025 07:58 amIt's because he's a catcher vs a corner OFer, that Raleigh is a true unicorn...12xu wrote: ↑23 Jun 2025 07:52 am10 days ago, a post claimed that Judge was having "probably the greatest season in the history of the game" and "no one was talking about it".........Judge still leads MLB in more than a dozen offensive stats while Raleigh leads only in HR.11WSChamps wrote: ↑23 Jun 2025 07:18 amPretty much has my vote for now although it's hard to ignore
Judge.
We are less than half way through the season, and either Judge or Raleigh may cool off, and someone else may catch fire.
Yaneverknow.
I hope Raleigh stays hot and gets the MVP, but if it is a close race between these two, Judge will get it.
A catcher w/this kind of (legit) power is indeed a unicorn.
And locked down for five more years after this at an insanely good price too (unless he has an opt out).