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Re: Cal Raleigh

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JDW wrote: 23 Jun 2025 07:33 am So currently the 39-37 Mariners have 4 position players with bWARS of Rodriguez +3.2, Raleigh 4.2, Arozarena 2.6 and Crawford 2.9 = +12.9
Meanwhile the 42-36 Cardinals top 4 position players have Donovan +2.1, Scott 1.7, Arenado 1.4 and Winn 1.1 = +6.3
Mariners have Gilbert, who has been out with injury, Woo and Castillo in their rotation. while the Cards have Gray, Libs and Fedde.
Just surprising to me the Mariners don't have a better record so far. Goes to show the Cards SP's have done well to date, while the Mariners could potentially get a lot better when they get Gilbert back and if they could trade for another decent SP before the deadline.
The Mariners rotation was projected to be good with depth just a year ago. I don't follow them, so not sure what all went down with that.
This might also show how the Cards could be pretty darn good if they had 1 really elite position player.

It's amazing what Raleigh has done so far, it's historically good, but Judge so far is having another historic season, and he plays for the Yankees, so ............
That's because WAR is a bogus statistic that means nothing. All of these front office guys/analytic guys who try to build trams on a spreadsheet using WAR have no clue about how baseball games are actually won.....sorry, I'm off the soapbox!
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Re: Cal Raleigh

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12xu wrote: 23 Jun 2025 07:52 am
11WSChamps wrote: 23 Jun 2025 07:18 am
Alex Reyes Cy Young wrote: 22 Jun 2025 21:22 pm AL MVP
Pretty much has my vote for now although it's hard to ignore
Judge.
10 days ago, a post claimed that Judge was having "probably the greatest season in the history of the game" and "no one was talking about it".........Judge still leads MLB in more than a dozen offensive stats while Raleigh leads only in HR.
We are less than half way through the season, and either Judge or Raleigh may cool off, and someone else may catch fire.
Yaneverknow.

I hope Raleigh stays hot and gets the MVP, but if it is a close race between these two, Judge will get it.
A lot can happen and raleight cool off, but if season ended today id give it to cal jualst cuz the output is unheard of from a catcher. And he also has good defense. Positional value matters.

That said, i expect him to cool off
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Re: Cal Raleigh

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Cardinals4Life wrote: 23 Jun 2025 13:26 pm
JDW wrote: 23 Jun 2025 07:33 am So currently the 39-37 Mariners have 4 position players with bWARS of Rodriguez +3.2, Raleigh 4.2, Arozarena 2.6 and Crawford 2.9 = +12.9
Meanwhile the 42-36 Cardinals top 4 position players have Donovan +2.1, Scott 1.7, Arenado 1.4 and Winn 1.1 = +6.3
Mariners have Gilbert, who has been out with injury, Woo and Castillo in their rotation. while the Cards have Gray, Libs and Fedde.
Just surprising to me the Mariners don't have a better record so far. Goes to show the Cards SP's have done well to date, while the Mariners could potentially get a lot better when they get Gilbert back and if they could trade for another decent SP before the deadline.
The Mariners rotation was projected to be good with depth just a year ago. I don't follow them, so not sure what all went down with that.
This might also show how the Cards could be pretty darn good if they had 1 really elite position player.

It's amazing what Raleigh has done so far, it's historically good, but Judge so far is having another historic season, and he plays for the Yankees, so ............
That's because WAR is a bogus statistic that means nothing. All of these front office guys/analytic guys who try to build trams on a spreadsheet using WAR have no clue about how baseball games are actually won.....sorry, I'm off the soapbox!
Great post these advanced metrics are like voodoo economics
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Re: Cal Raleigh

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Honky Tonk Man wrote: 23 Jun 2025 13:55 pm
Cardinals4Life wrote: 23 Jun 2025 13:26 pm
JDW wrote: 23 Jun 2025 07:33 am So currently the 39-37 Mariners have 4 position players with bWARS of Rodriguez +3.2, Raleigh 4.2, Arozarena 2.6 and Crawford 2.9 = +12.9
Meanwhile the 42-36 Cardinals top 4 position players have Donovan +2.1, Scott 1.7, Arenado 1.4 and Winn 1.1 = +6.3
Mariners have Gilbert, who has been out with injury, Woo and Castillo in their rotation. while the Cards have Gray, Libs and Fedde.
Just surprising to me the Mariners don't have a better record so far. Goes to show the Cards SP's have done well to date, while the Mariners could potentially get a lot better when they get Gilbert back and if they could trade for another decent SP before the deadline.
The Mariners rotation was projected to be good with depth just a year ago. I don't follow them, so not sure what all went down with that.
This might also show how the Cards could be pretty darn good if they had 1 really elite position player.

It's amazing what Raleigh has done so far, it's historically good, but Judge so far is having another historic season, and he plays for the Yankees, so ............
That's because WAR is a bogus statistic that means nothing. All of these front office guys/analytic guys who try to build trams on a spreadsheet using WAR have no clue about how baseball games are actually won.....sorry, I'm off the soapbox!
Great post these advanced metrics are like voodoo economics
Thanks. Yes, complete nonsense!
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Re: Cal Raleigh

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Cardinals4Life wrote: 23 Jun 2025 14:35 pm
Honky Tonk Man wrote: 23 Jun 2025 13:55 pm
Cardinals4Life wrote: 23 Jun 2025 13:26 pm
JDW wrote: 23 Jun 2025 07:33 am So currently the 39-37 Mariners have 4 position players with bWARS of Rodriguez +3.2, Raleigh 4.2, Arozarena 2.6 and Crawford 2.9 = +12.9
Meanwhile the 42-36 Cardinals top 4 position players have Donovan +2.1, Scott 1.7, Arenado 1.4 and Winn 1.1 = +6.3
Mariners have Gilbert, who has been out with injury, Woo and Castillo in their rotation. while the Cards have Gray, Libs and Fedde.
Just surprising to me the Mariners don't have a better record so far. Goes to show the Cards SP's have done well to date, while the Mariners could potentially get a lot better when they get Gilbert back and if they could trade for another decent SP before the deadline.
The Mariners rotation was projected to be good with depth just a year ago. I don't follow them, so not sure what all went down with that.
This might also show how the Cards could be pretty darn good if they had 1 really elite position player.

It's amazing what Raleigh has done so far, it's historically good, but Judge so far is having another historic season, and he plays for the Yankees, so ............
That's because WAR is a bogus statistic that means nothing. All of these front office guys/analytic guys who try to build trams on a spreadsheet using WAR have no clue about how baseball games are actually won.....sorry, I'm off the soapbox!
Great post these advanced metrics are like voodoo economics
Thanks. Yes, complete nonsense!
Joey Gallo is the advanced metric girls poster boy
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Re: Cal Raleigh

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Futuregm2 wrote: 23 Jun 2025 08:44 am
JDW wrote: 23 Jun 2025 07:33 am So currently the 39-37 Mariners have 4 position players with bWARS of Rodriguez +3.2, Raleigh 4.2, Arozarena 2.6 and Crawford 2.9 = +12.9
Meanwhile the 42-36 Cardinals top 4 position players have Donovan +2.1, Scott 1.7, Arenado 1.4 and Winn 1.1 = +6.3
Mariners have Gilbert, who has been out with injury, Woo and Castillo in their rotation. while the Cards have Gray, Libs and Fedde.
Just surprising to me the Mariners don't have a better record so far. Goes to show the Cards SP's have done well to date, while the Mariners could potentially get a lot better when they get Gilbert back and if they could trade for another decent SP before the deadline.
The Mariners rotation was projected to be good with depth just a year ago. I don't follow them, so not sure what all went down with that.
This might also show how the Cards could be pretty darn good if they had 1 really elite position player.

It's amazing what Raleigh has done so far, it's historically good, but Judge so far is having another historic season, and he plays for the Yankees, so ............
Fwiw, Gilbert has been back for 2 starts. He had 10 K’s in 5 IP giving up 2 runs vs the Red Sox on June 16th and he did well vs the Cubs yesterday until the 5th inning. Ended up with the win going 5 IP 8 H 4 R 3 BB 6 K.
Thanks for the update. I don't keep up well with some other teams. Great to hear he's back.
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Re: Cal Raleigh

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Cardinals4Life wrote: 23 Jun 2025 13:26 pm
JDW wrote: 23 Jun 2025 07:33 am So currently the 39-37 Mariners have 4 position players with bWARS of Rodriguez +3.2, Raleigh 4.2, Arozarena 2.6 and Crawford 2.9 = +12.9
Meanwhile the 42-36 Cardinals top 4 position players have Donovan +2.1, Scott 1.7, Arenado 1.4 and Winn 1.1 = +6.3
Mariners have Gilbert, who has been out with injury, Woo and Castillo in their rotation. while the Cards have Gray, Libs and Fedde.
Just surprising to me the Mariners don't have a better record so far. Goes to show the Cards SP's have done well to date, while the Mariners could potentially get a lot better when they get Gilbert back and if they could trade for another decent SP before the deadline.
The Mariners rotation was projected to be good with depth just a year ago. I don't follow them, so not sure what all went down with that.
This might also show how the Cards could be pretty darn good if they had 1 really elite position player.

It's amazing what Raleigh has done so far, it's historically good, but Judge so far is having another historic season, and he plays for the Yankees, so ............
That's because WAR is a bogus statistic that means nothing. All of these front office guys/analytic guys who try to build trams on a spreadsheet using WAR have no clue about how baseball games are actually won.....sorry, I'm off the soapbox!
Lol, always funny how a teams accumulated WAR correlates better than about anything else out there with a teams W-L.
Just a funny coincidence that happens year after year after ...........
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Re: Cal Raleigh

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rockondlouie wrote: 23 Jun 2025 08:40 am
scoutyjones2 wrote: 23 Jun 2025 07:58 am
12xu wrote: 23 Jun 2025 07:52 am
11WSChamps wrote: 23 Jun 2025 07:18 am
Alex Reyes Cy Young wrote: 22 Jun 2025 21:22 pm AL MVP
Pretty much has my vote for now although it's hard to ignore
Judge.
10 days ago, a post claimed that Judge was having "probably the greatest season in the history of the game" and "no one was talking about it".........Judge still leads MLB in more than a dozen offensive stats while Raleigh leads only in HR.
We are less than half way through the season, and either Judge or Raleigh may cool off, and someone else may catch fire.
Yaneverknow.

I hope Raleigh stays hot and gets the MVP, but if it is a close race between these two, Judge will get it.
It's because he's a catcher vs a corner OFer, that Raleigh is a true unicorn...
Agreed

A catcher w/this kind of (legit) power is indeed a unicorn.

And locked down for five more years after this at an insanely good price too (unless he has an opt out).
It’s not like he wasn’t like this last season either. He was. He should get major consideration if he keep this up.
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Re: Cal Raleigh

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Alex Reyes Cy Young wrote: 23 Jun 2025 17:33 pm
rockondlouie wrote: 23 Jun 2025 08:40 am
scoutyjones2 wrote: 23 Jun 2025 07:58 am
12xu wrote: 23 Jun 2025 07:52 am
11WSChamps wrote: 23 Jun 2025 07:18 am
Alex Reyes Cy Young wrote: 22 Jun 2025 21:22 pm AL MVP
Pretty much has my vote for now although it's hard to ignore
Judge.
10 days ago, a post claimed that Judge was having "probably the greatest season in the history of the game" and "no one was talking about it".........Judge still leads MLB in more than a dozen offensive stats while Raleigh leads only in HR.
We are less than half way through the season, and either Judge or Raleigh may cool off, and someone else may catch fire.
Yaneverknow.

I hope Raleigh stays hot and gets the MVP, but if it is a close race between these two, Judge will get it.
It's because he's a catcher vs a corner OFer, that Raleigh is a true unicorn...
Agreed

A catcher w/this kind of (legit) power is indeed a unicorn.

And locked down for five more years after this at an insanely good price too (unless he has an opt out).
It’s not like he wasn’t like this last season either. He was. He should get major consideration if he keep this up.
His whole career

Record for most HR in his fist four years by a Catcher.

Oh BTW, hit another one last night 8O
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