Cup Winning Centers

[hullie]

Yeah, not only is it not a troll posting, he's right. Bergeron and ROR were elite two-way centers in the NHL. That is why they hard matched ROR against the MacKinnon Makar unit in 2022 and expected ROR to succeed in that role and he did. They hard matched ROR against Boston's "Perfection Line" that also had Marchand on it and he succeeded. That is elite hockey. Hockey is more than points. Anyone who appreciates #27 knows that for example.

Excellent post. The inconvienent truth (for some) is there is no cup without Ryan O'Reilly.

They never won jack with Pietrangelo or Steen until ROR and Berube came and set the tone on the ice and behind the bench.

Elite hockey player, indeed.

Facts!!!

[seattleblue]

Please don't use my post to leverage into a thing about Petro. I am aware of your body of work against Pietrangelo and let's just say I couldn't possibly disagree more with what you've said about him.

I'm not sure what I said (or you think I said) about Pietrangelo other than the following...

- In 2019 Ryan O'Reilly set the work ethic tone (first and last on the ice), not any previous leader with the team (see Petro and Steen)
- During the 2019 Stanley Cup playoffs Parayko and Bouwmeester drew the top pair defensive assignments, not Petro.
- In the 2020 playoffs the captain acknowledged he never picked up a stick during the shutdown and the team followed his lead.
- For as big as he is, Petro isn't much of a physical presence. Any time a fight breaks out he usually ends up on the ice.

- All of the above said, letting Petro walk was Armstrong's biggest mistake. He got his ego involved and signed Krug in a fit of petulance.

If you care to debate any of these opinions, feel free. I wish we still had him, but he's not the all-time great some prop him up to be.

I could absolutely have and easily win this tired debate, but all I'm saying is I'm aware you've made memes for years to ridicule and shower disrespect onto one of the greatest players to ever wear the Blue Note. This is a player who was on the ice for 18 of the Blues 20 shots in Game 7 and who led the West's winningest regular season team in ice time for a decade and elevated every playoffs. I totally get that it's partly about a fight with a person. All of those memes were wrong though and you definitively lost the argument when he won the Cup for Vegas.

I take umbrage with some of this post. Petro did NOT win the Cup for the Blues or Vegas. He was part of a TEAM that won the Cup. There were 22 other contributors on both TEAMS.

"I'm saying I'm mad because of how I want to twist how you phrased this to suit my being mad," sure knock yourself out

Dude, I have no problem with you at all but apparently you have a problem with facts. There was no spin or snark intended in that post, just a clarification of FACT.

You suggested my argument is that Pietrangelo individually won the Cup. Said you took umbrage/are mad about me doing that. I didn't say anything about being mad. You said you were upset with my post.

Now you are saying that if I object to your objection, it's the equivalent of having a personal problem with you or with "facts." It is clear the trajectory of this conversation can only get more frustrating for both of us so let's discontinue.

[Aesa]

Please don't use my post to leverage into a thing about Petro. I am aware of your body of work against Pietrangelo and let's just say I couldn't possibly disagree more with what you've said about him.

I'm not sure what I said (or you think I said) about Pietrangelo other than the following...

- In 2019 Ryan O'Reilly set the work ethic tone (first and last on the ice), not any previous leader with the team (see Petro and Steen)
- During the 2019 Stanley Cup playoffs Parayko and Bouwmeester drew the top pair defensive assignments, not Petro.
- In the 2020 playoffs the captain acknowledged he never picked up a stick during the shutdown and the team followed his lead.
- For as big as he is, Petro isn't much of a physical presence. Any time a fight breaks out he usually ends up on the ice.

- All of the above said, letting Petro walk was Armstrong's biggest mistake. He got his ego involved and signed Krug in a fit of petulance.

If you care to debate any of these opinions, feel free. I wish we still had him, but he's not the all-time great some prop him up to be.

I could absolutely have and easily win this tired debate, but all I'm saying is I'm aware you've made memes for years to ridicule and shower disrespect onto one of the greatest players to ever wear the Blue Note. This is a player who was on the ice for 18 of the Blues 20 shots in Game 7 and who led the West's winningest regular season team in ice time for a decade and elevated every playoffs. I totally get that it's partly about a fight with a person. All of those memes were wrong though and you definitively lost the argument when he won the Cup for Vegas.

I take umbrage with some of this post. Petro did NOT win the Cup for the Blues or Vegas. He was part of a TEAM that won the Cup. There were 22 other contributors on both TEAMS.

"I'm saying I'm mad because of how I want to twist how you phrased this to suit my being mad," sure knock yourself out

Dude, I have no problem with you at all but apparently you have a problem with facts. There was no spin or snark intended in that post, just a clarification of FACT.

You suggested my argument is that Pietrangelo individually won the Cup. Said you took umbrage/are mad about me doing that. I didn't say anything about being mad. You said you were upset with my post.

Now you are saying that if I object to your objection, it's the equivalent of having a personal problem with you or with "facts." It is clear the trajectory of this conversation can only get more frustrating for both of us so let's discontinue.

Perhaps I should have used the word exception instead of umbrage but my points are still fact and true. Discussion ended per your request, or should I say suggestion?

[Cahokanut]

R0R was only a first line center. Because of the team he played on.

I'd bet if you looked further you'd notice that most top teams throughout that period had at least three of there top five point getters under 26.

ROR was an elite center when we won the cup….elite. People who do not understand hockey only look at goals and assists, but when your center can absolutely shut down the other teams top line, that is elite. The Boston top line could not get anything going against our top line. There is a reason Florida has overwhelmed teams other top lines and that is Barkov. McDavid was completely neutralized, similarly to what ROR did to other teams top lines. To win the cup you need an elite defensive center.

Give me a break dude.
This is troll posting, if ever.
He was never elite and only a 1c on the St. Louis Blues

Who gives a [shirt]?? Really?!? He won the Stanley Cup and the Conn Smythe.

They call it the asylum for a reason. Before he got here, the Blues Talk experts labeled him "Paul Stastny 2.0". He wins a Cup, Conn Smythe, and becomes Captain, he's loved. Nobody says [shirt] until he leaves. Now he's back to being Paul. Labels mean nothing, trophies mean everything. Results matter.

I don't put much into anything here. I like reading the many different and interesting thoughts. Maybe calm down.

True. You, some others, don't care if something not true, as long as they win for your team.
That's not me. It's not right it's not fair, it's like cheating. He wasn't, and he didn't.
He did learn to be a better teammate by January of 19, was one of many reasons we got a cup, and became a well liked captain. A good guy, just never elite and only a 1c here. Nothing wrong with that, man.

It began far sooner than January of 19, the whole first part of the season in fall of ‘18 he’s the only reason the Blues were even the same zip code as the rest of the league.

He played talk good. Didn't play to well with the team at first. But he seemed to do it all, while others watched. Once he and the team started playing together things for the Team turned around.

[TBone]

Please don't use my post to leverage into a thing about Petro. I am aware of your body of work against Pietrangelo and let's just say I couldn't possibly disagree more with what you've said about him.

I'm not sure what I said (or you think I said) about Pietrangelo other than the following...

- In 2019 Ryan O'Reilly set the work ethic tone (first and last on the ice), not any previous leader with the team (see Petro and Steen)
- During the 2019 Stanley Cup playoffs Parayko and Bouwmeester drew the top pair defensive assignments, not Petro.
- In the 2020 playoffs the captain acknowledged he never picked up a stick during the shutdown and the team followed his lead.
- For as big as he is, Petro isn't much of a physical presence. Any time a fight breaks out he usually ends up on the ice.

- All of the above said, letting Petro walk was Armstrong's biggest mistake. He got his ego involved and signed Krug in a fit of petulance.

If you care to debate any of these opinions, feel free. I wish we still had him, but he's not the all-time great some prop him up to be.

I could absolutely have and easily win this tired debate, but all I'm saying is I'm aware you've made memes for years to ridicule and shower disrespect onto one of the greatest players to ever wear the Blue Note. This is a player who was on the ice for 18 of the Blues 20 shots in Game 7 and who led the West's winningest regular season team in ice time for a decade and elevated every playoffs. I totally get that it's partly about a fight with a person. All of those memes were wrong though and you definitively lost the argument when he won the Cup for Vegas.

I take umbrage with some of this post. Petro did NOT win the Cup for the Blues or Vegas. He was part of a TEAM that won the Cup. There were 22 other contributors on both TEAMS.

"I'm saying I'm mad because of how I want to twist how you phrased this to suit my being mad," sure knock yourself out

Dude, I have no problem with you at all but apparently you have a problem with facts. There was no spin or snark intended in that post, just a clarification of FACT.

Facts upset some people around here. So do gifs and memes. Very sensitive, delicate flowers around here.

[Hazelwood72]

Every situation needs assessment although there are templates.

ROR is easily among the worst #1’s to ever win the cup

In addition, he was absolutely carried through the first half of the Cup run. He was bad.

The Conn Smythe should have been given to either:
A) Jordan Binnington
B) Jaden Schwartz (who had more goals than ROR)
C) The Blues 4th Line

But it seems like the voters don’t pay attention to the first 3 rounds of the playoffs any more.

[theograce]

Every situation needs assessment although there are templates.

ROR is easily among the worst #1’s to ever win the cup

In addition, he was absolutely carried through the first half of the Cup run. He was bad.

The Conn Smythe should have been given to either:
A) Jordan Binnington
B) Jaden Schwartz (who had more goals than ROR)
C) The Blues 4th Line

But it seems like the voters don’t pay attention to the first 3 rounds of the playoffs any more.

Pietrangelo should have won on my vote, but it doesnt really matter. When you win a cup there are almost always a handful of guys you can make an argument for.

[stlblue06]

Back on topic. We are so lucky to have Thomas. He might have the best value contract in the league for the next 4 years. It feels like he’s older because he joined the Blues at 19 and Kyrou is 2 years older but joined the team later.

To have a top tier #1 center that just turned 25 aligns perfectly with where this team is trending. Hopefully Devo can grab that 2C or we trade for one but Suter feels like a great fit for the options we had.

[seattleblue]

Please don't use my post to leverage into a thing about Petro. I am aware of your body of work against Pietrangelo and let's just say I couldn't possibly disagree more with what you've said about him.

I'm not sure what I said (or you think I said) about Pietrangelo other than the following...

- In 2019 Ryan O'Reilly set the work ethic tone (first and last on the ice), not any previous leader with the team (see Petro and Steen)
- During the 2019 Stanley Cup playoffs Parayko and Bouwmeester drew the top pair defensive assignments, not Petro.
- In the 2020 playoffs the captain acknowledged he never picked up a stick during the shutdown and the team followed his lead.
- For as big as he is, Petro isn't much of a physical presence. Any time a fight breaks out he usually ends up on the ice.

- All of the above said, letting Petro walk was Armstrong's biggest mistake. He got his ego involved and signed Krug in a fit of petulance.

If you care to debate any of these opinions, feel free. I wish we still had him, but he's not the all-time great some prop him up to be.

I could absolutely have and easily win this tired debate, but all I'm saying is I'm aware you've made memes for years to ridicule and shower disrespect onto one of the greatest players to ever wear the Blue Note. This is a player who was on the ice for 18 of the Blues 20 shots in Game 7 and who led the West's winningest regular season team in ice time for a decade and elevated every playoffs. I totally get that it's partly about a fight with a person. All of those memes were wrong though and you definitively lost the argument when he won the Cup for Vegas.

I take umbrage with some of this post. Petro did NOT win the Cup for the Blues or Vegas. He was part of a TEAM that won the Cup. There were 22 other contributors on both TEAMS.

"I'm saying I'm mad because of how I want to twist how you phrased this to suit my being mad," sure knock yourself out

Dude, I have no problem with you at all but apparently you have a problem with facts. There was no spin or snark intended in that post, just a clarification of FACT.

Facts upset some people around here. So do gifs and memes. Very sensitive, delicate flowers around here.

Really you bumped this from a month ago just to go after me on Petro, about whom you've totally disgraced yourself for years because you don't have the personal maturity to not be triggered and wholly owned by another poster? Your opinion on Petro is pitiful.