Noah Dobson, RD, 1 year til UFA

[seattleblue]

I know most would not, but I would trade Kyrou for Dobson for many reasons some of which you noted:

When you look at the number of defensemen who've put up 70pts at age 24 or under you will find it's a pretty short list and Dobson is on it. The position scarcity alone would force me to do it and we would have to add if anyone adds. But I would rather be paying Dobson the money and giving Snuggerud and Bolduc on smaller contracts the minutes Kyrou was getting. Our 1st round pick in 2021 (RW) and our first round pick in 2022 (RW) are good internal replacement options at RW.

IF ya add, it shouldn't be much with Kyrou having a contract with term on it vs 1yr left on Dobson

Agreed, these would likely be the only two NHL roster players involved. maybe some balancing in the futures. This possibility is also at its ripest in the next 8 days while Kyrou still is unprotected from trades.

[dhsux]

I know most would not, but I would trade Kyrou for Dobson for many reasons some of which you noted:

Our depth is at wing.
Buchnevich played almost exclusively at RW in NY so he can join Snugs at RW.
Supply & demand; Wingers are always available, quality RHD that have played top pair are not.

You need forwards willing to take hits to make plays when the game shrinks come playoffs. Kyrou does not.
Compare Sam Reinhart to Kyrou. Their listed height and weight are near identical and they both play RW. That's about all they have in common. Reino will take hits and goes to the dirty areas. He has also picked up the pace on delivering hits since arriving in Miami.

You need big defensemen even if they're not overly physical to win Cups.
The clock is ticking on that NTC.

I have no idea why the Islanders would want Kyrou though. They already have their version (Barzal).
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How about Rasmus Andersson?
I know he would be a longshot here but he would also slot in perfectly behind Parayko and could partner with a fellow Swede.
He's in the last year of his deal and is a bargain for 25-26 even though he is coming off a bad year.
He's very durable and built like Faulk.
What is he asking for in his next contract?

Fowler-Parayko
Broberg-Andersson
Leddy-Faulk

Acquiring Andersson would most likely mean that the Blues wouldn't have the cap space to upgrade at center unless they trade a roster player.
Finding a dumping ground for our slop is the problem.
The other problem is our draft spot is too late to entice Calgary.

The Flames have several other RHD:
They can move Weegar back to his natural side.
Parekh seems like he is ready for full time duty.
They have Pachal for the 3rd pair and a decent prospect Brzustewicz ready soon.

The Flames desperately need to get a young center in the pipeline.
If Utah is serious about trading pick 4 look for Calgary & Andersson to be in play.
While Andersson is not a #1, he's better than Marino and Durzi and the Mammoth would look a lot better slotting Marino & Durzi down a pair. Utah would probably want another asset back.

I can also see Buffalo (Adams realizes he has to make the playoffs) and Anaheim (coach Q wants to get the Ducks in the playoffs by 27 at the latest) at 9 & 10 willing to trade their picks for a very good RHD.
Will a center that the Flames covet fall that far?

Can Andersson be talked into going to Buffalo? He just might like to play with his stud countrymen (Dahlin).
That would open the Sabres up to trading Byram for forward help and finally get some equilibrium on their blue line.
Dahlin-Andersson
Power-Clifton
Samuelsson-JBD
The Sabres would still need another upgrade at RHD IMO.

The Ducks already have 3 RHD for 25-26 but need an upgrade because Trouba and Gudas are well past their prime & also in their walk years.
Mintyukov-Andersson
LaCombe-Helleson
Zellweger-Trouba

Dallas has needed an RHD to play behind Heiskanen for awhile now.
As mentioned earlier, the cap hit of Andersson for the 25-26 is very reasonable for the Stars to reconcile.

The Leafs have needed a good RHD for years. Their GM is very familiar with Andersson.
The problem is they don't have the assets that Calgary would want.

Many other teams will be calling Conroy to see what the ask is.

Back to your point...do the Islanders need/want a Kyrou or are we just whistling in the wind?

[seattleblue]

Yes, the Isles need scoring punch. Kyrou on a reliable long term contract would be attractive to them, very likely would be one of the pieces they'd consider. I want to reiterate I think the Isles should and will keep Dobson. Players like him rarely become available.

This is good defense:

Broberg #4 minutes-Dobson #1A minutes
Fowler #3 minutes-Parayko #1B minutes

Leddy-Faulk-Tucker, feels like at any given time one may be injured, and it's Leddy's last year
All seven of these defenseman you'd expect to play barring injury and generally a defenseman is injured somewhere.

Lindstein supplants Fowler.

Fischer, Burns, Ralph in the pipeline
Possibly another Round 1 defenseman

[TheHighHat]

I know most would not, but I would trade Kyrou for Dobson for many reasons some of which you noted:

Our depth is at wing.
Buchnevich played almost exclusively at RW in NY so he can join Snugs at RW.
Supply & demand; Wingers are always available, quality RHD that have played top pair are not.

You need forwards willing to take hits to make plays when the game shrinks come playoffs. Kyrou does not.
Compare Sam Reinhart to Kyrou. Their listed height and weight are near identical and they both play RW. That's about all they have in common. Reino will take hits and goes to the dirty areas. He has also picked up the pace on delivering hits since arriving in Miami.

You need big defensemen even if they're not overly physical to win Cups.
The clock is ticking on that NTC.

I have no idea why the Islanders would want Kyrou though. They already have their version (Barzal).
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
How about Rasmus Andersson?
I know he would be a longshot here but he would also slot in perfectly behind Parayko and could partner with a fellow Swede.
He's in the last year of his deal and is a bargain for 25-26 even though he is coming off a bad year.
He's very durable and built like Faulk.
What is he asking for in his next contract?

Fowler-Parayko
Broberg-Andersson
Leddy-Faulk

Acquiring Andersson would most likely mean that the Blues wouldn't have the cap space to upgrade at center unless they trade a roster player.
Finding a dumping ground for our slop is the problem.
The other problem is our draft spot is too late to entice Calgary.

The Flames have several other RHD:
They can move Weegar back to his natural side.
Parekh seems like he is ready for full time duty.
They have Pachal for the 3rd pair and a decent prospect Brzustewicz ready soon.

The Flames desperately need to get a young center in the pipeline.
If Utah is serious about trading pick 4 look for Calgary & Andersson to be in play.
While Andersson is not a #1, he's better than Marino and Durzi and the Mammoth would look a lot better slotting Marino & Durzi down a pair. Utah would probably want another asset back.

I can also see Buffalo (Adams realizes he has to make the playoffs) and Anaheim (coach Q wants to get the Ducks in the playoffs by 27 at the latest) at 9 & 10 willing to trade their picks for a very good RHD.
Will a center that the Flames covet fall that far?

Can Andersson be talked into going to Buffalo? He just might like to play with his stud countrymen (Dahlin).
That would open the Sabres up to trading Byram for forward help and finally get some equilibrium on their blue line.
Dahlin-Andersson
Power-Clifton
Samuelsson-JBD
The Sabres would still need another upgrade at RHD IMO.

The Ducks already have 3 RHD for 25-26 but need an upgrade because Trouba and Gudas are well past their prime & also in their walk years.
Mintyukov-Andersson
LaCombe-Helleson
Zellweger-Trouba

Dallas has needed an RHD to play behind Heiskanen for awhile now.
As mentioned earlier, the cap hit of Andersson for the 25-26 is very reasonable for the Stars to reconcile.

The Leafs have needed a good RHD for years. Their GM is very familiar with Andersson.
The problem is they don't have the assets that Calgary would want.

Many other teams will be calling Conroy to see what the ask is.

Back to your point...do the Islanders need/want a Kyrou or are we just whistling in the wind?

Yeah, we're just dreaming trying to find a long term solution to a position that is near impossible to find.
You can't trade a big, talented RHD in his mid 20's unless the return is ridiculous.
The Islanders would ask for Dvorsky +

That's why I brought up Andersson. He is definitely available.
No, he's not as young as Dobson, but the ask will be large because of supply & demand.
There are many other teams that need a top 4 RHD that I didn't mention.
Calgary will also ask for a center or will want a top 10 pick if there is still a center available that they like.

I would still roll the dice and try to get Nemec out of New Jersey.
They need wingers and we have them.

Don't be surprised to see the Sabres and Devils get together for a trade because each team has what the other is looking for.
The Sabres need a RHD who can help their horrible power play.
The Devils need a top 6 winger with skill and size.
Hamilton for Tuch.

The problem for the Devils is that their power play would suffer immensely unless L. Hughes and/or Casey are ready to run the point.
The Sabres would then trade Byram for a winger to replace Tuch.

[TheJackBurton]

What about Dante Fabbro? He hasn't signed yet.

The rumor is he and Columbus are working on a long term extension.

[TheJackBurton]

What about Dante Fabbro? He hasn't signed yet.

My sense is that Armey is targeting him and Nick Perbix. Given the market demand and cap, he needs to be willing to overpay if he wants a rd by way of fa.

Honestly, I don't see it with either of them.
I think if Army goes after a Dman at all, he's going to want somebody in a similar mold to Tyler Tucker(only more talented). The team clearly responded to Tucker's physical play.

I could see a reunion with Erik Johnson more than I can a push for Perbix or Fabbro.

Didn't see that coming. Haven't heard anything about Johnson. Do you mind trying to sell me on it? Interesting, didn't realize he had anything left.

while Johnson wouldn't be turrible, I don't think he's better than Faulk at this stage. kinda feels like shuffling chairs on the deck

they could do worse tho

if we were to sign Johnson it would be as a 3rd pairing.

[dhsux]

I know most would not, but I would trade Kyrou for Dobson for many reasons some of which you noted:

Our depth is at wing.
Buchnevich played almost exclusively at RW in NY so he can join Snugs at RW.
Supply & demand; Wingers are always available, quality RHD that have played top pair are not.

You need forwards willing to take hits to make plays when the game shrinks come playoffs. Kyrou does not.
Compare Sam Reinhart to Kyrou. Their listed height and weight are near identical and they both play RW. That's about all they have in common. Reino will take hits and goes to the dirty areas. He has also picked up the pace on delivering hits since arriving in Miami.

You need big defensemen even if they're not overly physical to win Cups.
The clock is ticking on that NTC.

I have no idea why the Islanders would want Kyrou though. They already have their version (Barzal).
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
How about Rasmus Andersson?
I know he would be a longshot here but he would also slot in perfectly behind Parayko and could partner with a fellow Swede.
He's in the last year of his deal and is a bargain for 25-26 even though he is coming off a bad year.
He's very durable and built like Faulk.
What is he asking for in his next contract?

Fowler-Parayko
Broberg-Andersson
Leddy-Faulk

Acquiring Andersson would most likely mean that the Blues wouldn't have the cap space to upgrade at center unless they trade a roster player.
Finding a dumping ground for our slop is the problem.
The other problem is our draft spot is too late to entice Calgary.

The Flames have several other RHD:
They can move Weegar back to his natural side.
Parekh seems like he is ready for full time duty.
They have Pachal for the 3rd pair and a decent prospect Brzustewicz ready soon.

The Flames desperately need to get a young center in the pipeline.
If Utah is serious about trading pick 4 look for Calgary & Andersson to be in play.
While Andersson is not a #1, he's better than Marino and Durzi and the Mammoth would look a lot better slotting Marino & Durzi down a pair. Utah would probably want another asset back.

I can also see Buffalo (Adams realizes he has to make the playoffs) and Anaheim (coach Q wants to get the Ducks in the playoffs by 27 at the latest) at 9 & 10 willing to trade their picks for a very good RHD.
Will a center that the Flames covet fall that far?

Can Andersson be talked into going to Buffalo? He just might like to play with his stud countrymen (Dahlin).
That would open the Sabres up to trading Byram for forward help and finally get some equilibrium on their blue line.
Dahlin-Andersson
Power-Clifton
Samuelsson-JBD
The Sabres would still need another upgrade at RHD IMO.

The Ducks already have 3 RHD for 25-26 but need an upgrade because Trouba and Gudas are well past their prime & also in their walk years.
Mintyukov-Andersson
LaCombe-Helleson
Zellweger-Trouba

Dallas has needed an RHD to play behind Heiskanen for awhile now.
As mentioned earlier, the cap hit of Andersson for the 25-26 is very reasonable for the Stars to reconcile.

The Leafs have needed a good RHD for years. Their GM is very familiar with Andersson.
The problem is they don't have the assets that Calgary would want.

Many other teams will be calling Conroy to see what the ask is.

Back to your point...do the Islanders need/want a Kyrou or are we just whistling in the wind?

Yeah, we're just dreaming trying to find a long term solution to a position that is near impossible to find.
You can't trade a big, talented RHD in his mid 20's unless the return is ridiculous.
The Islanders would ask for Dvorsky +

That's why I brought up Andersson. He is definitely available.
No, he's not as young as Dobson, but the ask will be large because of supply & demand.
There are many other teams that need a top 4 RHD that I didn't mention.
Calgary will also ask for a center or will want a top 10 pick if there is still a center available that they like.

I would still roll the dice and try to get Nemec out of New Jersey.
They need wingers and we have them.

Don't be surprised to see the Sabres and Devils get together for a trade because each team has what the other is looking for.
The Sabres need a RHD who can help their horrible power play.
The Devils need a top 6 winger with skill and size.
Hamilton for Tuch.

The problem for the Devils is that their power play would suffer immensely unless L. Hughes and/or Casey are ready to run the point.
The Sabres would then trade Byram for a winger to replace Tuch.

HH can you think of any one out there on the left side that can play well on the right??

Like...dam near just as good? And I know there are issue with that.

[AtillaTheBlue1]

there are 2 26 or younger dmen that should be offer sheet'd immediately, with bouchard being #1

[theograce]

there are 2 26 or younger dmen that should be offer sheet'd immediately, with bouchard being #1

I’d want no part of Bouchard

[bluetunehead]

there are 2 26 or younger dmen that should be offer sheet'd immediately, with bouchard being #1

The amount of money it would take to successfully offer sheet Bouchard would be crippling, and his weaknesses would just look that much worse. No thanks.

[AtillaTheBlue1]

i didnt say to sign bouchard, but he is the #1 dman on board

and there are 2 other young dmen who can be offered sheet'd.

[SameOldBlues]

Kyrou for Dobson? DONT MIND IF I DO!

Im an admitted fan of Kyrou, but he’s replaceable for a position of much neededness. Id throw in stickman Jiricek and another C prospect too if needed. Im just strictly against tradin away first and second round draft picks.

[skilles]

there are 2 26 or younger dmen that should be offer sheet'd immediately, with bouchard being #1

I really don't see bouchard as much of a offer sheet candidate at all.

[TheHighHat]

I know most would not, but I would trade Kyrou for Dobson for many reasons some of which you noted:

Our depth is at wing.
Buchnevich played almost exclusively at RW in NY so he can join Snugs at RW.
Supply & demand; Wingers are always available, quality RHD that have played top pair are not.

You need forwards willing to take hits to make plays when the game shrinks come playoffs. Kyrou does not.
Compare Sam Reinhart to Kyrou. Their listed height and weight are near identical and they both play RW. That's about all they have in common. Reino will take hits and goes to the dirty areas. He has also picked up the pace on delivering hits since arriving in Miami.

You need big defensemen even if they're not overly physical to win Cups.
The clock is ticking on that NTC.

I have no idea why the Islanders would want Kyrou though. They already have their version (Barzal).
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
How about Rasmus Andersson?
I know he would be a longshot here but he would also slot in perfectly behind Parayko and could partner with a fellow Swede.
He's in the last year of his deal and is a bargain for 25-26 even though he is coming off a bad year.
He's very durable and built like Faulk.
What is he asking for in his next contract?

Fowler-Parayko
Broberg-Andersson
Leddy-Faulk

Acquiring Andersson would most likely mean that the Blues wouldn't have the cap space to upgrade at center unless they trade a roster player.
Finding a dumping ground for our slop is the problem.
The other problem is our draft spot is too late to entice Calgary.

The Flames have several other RHD:
They can move Weegar back to his natural side.
Parekh seems like he is ready for full time duty.
They have Pachal for the 3rd pair and a decent prospect Brzustewicz ready soon.

The Flames desperately need to get a young center in the pipeline.
If Utah is serious about trading pick 4 look for Calgary & Andersson to be in play.
While Andersson is not a #1, he's better than Marino and Durzi and the Mammoth would look a lot better slotting Marino & Durzi down a pair. Utah would probably want another asset back.

I can also see Buffalo (Adams realizes he has to make the playoffs) and Anaheim (coach Q wants to get the Ducks in the playoffs by 27 at the latest) at 9 & 10 willing to trade their picks for a very good RHD.
Will a center that the Flames covet fall that far?

Can Andersson be talked into going to Buffalo? He just might like to play with his stud countrymen (Dahlin).
That would open the Sabres up to trading Byram for forward help and finally get some equilibrium on their blue line.
Dahlin-Andersson
Power-Clifton
Samuelsson-JBD
The Sabres would still need another upgrade at RHD IMO.

The Ducks already have 3 RHD for 25-26 but need an upgrade because Trouba and Gudas are well past their prime & also in their walk years.
Mintyukov-Andersson
LaCombe-Helleson
Zellweger-Trouba

Dallas has needed an RHD to play behind Heiskanen for awhile now.
As mentioned earlier, the cap hit of Andersson for the 25-26 is very reasonable for the Stars to reconcile.

The Leafs have needed a good RHD for years. Their GM is very familiar with Andersson.
The problem is they don't have the assets that Calgary would want.

Many other teams will be calling Conroy to see what the ask is.

Back to your point...do the Islanders need/want a Kyrou or are we just whistling in the wind?

Yeah, we're just dreaming trying to find a long term solution to a position that is near impossible to find.
You can't trade a big, talented RHD in his mid 20's unless the return is ridiculous.
The Islanders would ask for Dvorsky +

That's why I brought up Andersson. He is definitely available.
No, he's not as young as Dobson, but the ask will be large because of supply & demand.
There are many other teams that need a top 4 RHD that I didn't mention.
Calgary will also ask for a center or will want a top 10 pick if there is still a center available that they like.

I would still roll the dice and try to get Nemec out of New Jersey.
They need wingers and we have them.

Don't be surprised to see the Sabres and Devils get together for a trade because each team has what the other is looking for.
The Sabres need a RHD who can help their horrible power play.
The Devils need a top 6 winger with skill and size.
Hamilton for Tuch.

The problem for the Devils is that their power play would suffer immensely unless L. Hughes and/or Casey are ready to run the point.
The Sabres would then trade Byram for a winger to replace Tuch.

HH can you think of any one out there on the left side that can play well on the right??

Like...dam near just as good? And I know there are issue with that.

Not anyone that's available.

The 2 guys that come to my mind that play RD even though they are left shots are Heiskanen & Theodore.

[SteveR85]

Just can't see Armstrong being interested in Dobson at the contract he is going to command and at the trade asset value it's going to take. The only reason Dobson is being shopped is because NYI is equally concerned about shelling out a long term 8-figure contract for him. That's a huge chunk of the cap allocated to one guy if it doesn't work out. Can't envision a scenario where Armstrong trades for an RFA and immediately makes him the highest paid player on the team signed to the biggest contract in franchise history (8 year, 80M+).

Maybe the Islanders don't have that much leverage here. Could be a scenario where Dobson is firm on his contract demands which the Islanders are not willing to meet. The Isles only have 1 year of control at maximum. If Dobson goes into the summer unsigned, isn't traded and elects arbitration, he will get a 1 year arbitration award that walks him straight to UFA. Under these circumstances, maybe Armstrong can pull off another heist, not give up a huge trade package and take the year to evaluate how Dobson fits in with the team before giving him that contract. Still a delicate situation any way you look at it.

[skilles]

I know most would not, but I would trade Kyrou for Dobson for many reasons some of which you noted:

When you look at the number of defensemen who've put up 70pts at age 24 or under you will find it's a pretty short list and Dobson is on it. The position scarcity alone would force me to do it and we would have to add if anyone adds. But I would rather be paying Dobson the money and giving Snuggerud and Bolduc on smaller contracts the minutes Kyrou was getting. Our 1st round pick in 2021 (RW) and our first round pick in 2022 (RW) are good internal replacement options at RW.

IF ya add, it shouldn't be much with Kyrou having a contract with term on it vs 1yr left on Dobson

Agreed, these would likely be the only two NHL roster players involved. maybe some balancing in the futures. This possibility is also at its ripest in the next 8 days while Kyrou still is unprotected from trades.

Well the deal is probably only an option if Dobson agrees to sign though.