JohnnyMO wrote: ↑22 Jun 2025 10:14 am
Wouldn’t be sad to see Oli go, but this thread is silly. Telling players battling back issues to use common sense and ease up on certain plays like that makes total sense.
Then why did he sprint AFTER the infielder bobbled the play?
Running 90 feet over 3 seconds is dangerous to his health, but running 45 feet for 1.5 seconds is not?
The "cover story" is complete nonsense.
Winn blew it and The Marmot didn't have the integrity to say so.
Neither did the broadcasters.
I'll give you credit, nobody doubles down on stupid like you do
If Winn has been ordered to jog to 1b as the broadcast team stated Marmol claimed, why did he suddenly sprint when the infielder bobbled the game?
We both know why - though you are not honest enough to admit it.
Winn's own behavior proves he recognized his lazy blunder.
And later, the manager and broadcast team covered for him.
CCard wrote: ↑22 Jun 2025 08:05 am
Some of you people have to have your whipping boy. Remember the "Yadi doesn't hustle" crowd? How many others have their been? He plays a lot, he dives for balls, he never gives away an at bat, but hey, it's 90+ out side with humidity so thick you could cut it with a knife and no understanding form some of you. "He didn't run as hard as I think he should have!" Get a life.
This. A certain group needs a player to hound. I'm sure they all are exemplary employees at work.
When the play happened I thought....ooops that’s embarrassing and might pay dividends long term as it thankfully didn’t cost them a win.
As for Marmol’s explanation it was lame. But he had to say something and didn’t want to throw his player under the bus as he has done in the past!
The announcers? That was lame also. Funny....when it happened they were critical of Winn.
Winn actually came up big after the play.
Move on!
and of course cant admit there is about an 80 percent speed that could target on obvious out which you often see... not dogging it but just a lower end moderate sprint. If you get hurt going 80 percent, you were going to go down very soon regardless. And how is 80 percent in a direction you know you are going to go out of the box just so dangerou, but 5 minutes later having to go full tilt either direction on defense is what???
Yes I am sure every poster that likely couldn't play slow pitch softball puts 100 percent in everything they do all the time. Sports fans are so absolutely ridiculous. People aren't robots.
Melville wrote: ↑22 Jun 2025 07:48 am
During the broadcast yesterday, all 3 members of the broadcast team discussed and supported Winn jogging lazily to 1B during the prior game - something he has done repeatedly.
They quoted The Marmot as claiming Winn was merely following the orders of the coaching staff, essentially saying the staff wants him to jog to 1B (and take other plays off as well) because they rely on him so heavily.
According to the reporting, because he plays so many innings, because the season is long, because it is hot, because they want him to protect his lower body, he has been told to save his energy, and to "save his bullets" for when needed.
Two points.
It is disgusting that the broadcasters know full well this is complete nonsense and that Winn has been given no such instruction - and not only reported it but defended it as being smart and necessary.
Flat out telling the audience something they did not believe; something antithetical to how the game should be played.
Zero integrity.
Two, neither Marmol nor the staff have told Winn any such thing.
It is obvious The Marmot anticipated the question and rather than telling the truth ("Winn's lack of effort was not acceptable and we have talked about that"), he had devised a long, detailed, nonsensical story designed to protect his player from criticism.
Just the latest in an unending list of examples as to why the man should be fired.
Melville wrote: ↑22 Jun 2025 07:48 am
During the broadcast yesterday, all 3 members of the broadcast team discussed and supported Winn jogging lazily to 1B during the prior game - something he has done repeatedly.
They quoted The Marmot as claiming Winn was merely following the orders of the coaching staff, essentially saying the staff wants him to jog to 1B (and take other plays off as well) because they rely on him so heavily.
According to the reporting, because he plays so many innings, because the season is long, because it is hot, because they want him to protect his lower body, he has been told to save his energy, and to "save his bullets" for when needed.
Two points.
It is disgusting that the broadcasters know full well this is complete nonsense and that Winn has been given no such instruction - and not only reported it but defended it as being smart and necessary.
Flat out telling the audience something they did not believe; something antithetical to how the game should be played.
Zero integrity.
Two, neither Marmol nor the staff have told Winn any such thing.
It is obvious The Marmot anticipated the question and rather than telling the truth ("Winn's lack of effort was not acceptable and we have talked about that"), he had devised a long, detailed, nonsensical story designed to protect his player from criticism.
Just the latest in an unending list of examples as to why the man should be fired.
Jatalk wrote: ↑22 Jun 2025 08:04 am
Oli: weak, pitiful, not a leader, ignorant, under qualified.
His players would disagree with you. But what do you care?
I haven’t had one on one with the players to know but I would be extremely surprised if they thought he was the best option to manage. You certainly can’t determine their feelings based on public comments they may make.
11WSChamps wrote: ↑22 Jun 2025 08:35 am
Ted Simmons was one of my favorite Cardinal players played a demanding position on astroturf and didn't run out every ball either and I know why.
It's a long season and the dog days are just starting. Donovan if folks didn't notice "trotted" down the line too as did others.
Some common sense please.
I hate it when I have to run hard 90 feet 3 or 4 times a day, it's so hard. Big leaguers aren't paid enough to do that.
It's no surprise you miss the point completely.
Coach my (donkey). You never coached a day in your life.
You are an angry old man who thinks his opinion is the only one that counts. BTW, did you see the bunt in the 11th? Barerro didn't get picked off after the
batter didn't bunt on the first pitch, then easily went to third on the next bunted pitch without a play. That's the way it's supposed to work. Have a nice day and tell those kids to get off your lawn.
So I was right. You never coached and full of [shirt] to boot.
Morons like you believe because you have an opinion that it can't be wrong.
Stick to your knee jerk reactions and leave the thinking to the adults.
So even though you were proved wrong you still insist you're right. Get off my lawn you old demented codger.
Cusecards wrote: ↑22 Jun 2025 13:15 pm
When the play happened I thought....ooops that’s embarrassing and might pay dividends long term as it thankfully didn’t cost them a win.
As for Marmol’s explanation it was lame. But he had to say something and didn’t want to throw his player under the bus as he has done in the past!
The announcers? That was lame also. Funny....when it happened they were critical of Winn.
Winn actually came up big after the play.
Move on!
Fair take.
Of course, it is exactly the same as I made.
11WSChamps wrote: ↑22 Jun 2025 08:35 am
Ted Simmons was one of my favorite Cardinal players played a demanding position on astroturf and didn't run out every ball either and I know why.
It's a long season and the dog days are just starting. Donovan if folks didn't notice "trotted" down the line too as did others.
Some common sense please.
I hate it when I have to run hard 90 feet 3 or 4 times a day, it's so hard. Big leaguers aren't paid enough to do that.
It's no surprise you miss the point completely.
Coach my (donkey). You never coached a day in your life.
You are an angry old man who thinks his opinion is the only one that counts. BTW, did you see the bunt in the 11th? Barerro didn't get picked off after the
batter didn't bunt on the first pitch, then easily went to third on the next bunted pitch without a play. That's the way it's supposed to work. Have a nice day and tell those kids to get off your lawn.
So I was right. You never coached and full of [shirt] to boot.
Morons like you believe because you have an opinion that it can't be wrong.
Stick to your knee jerk reactions and leave the thinking to the adults.
So even though you were proved wrong you still insist you're right. Get off my lawn you old demented codger.
You proved nothing dumb[ash].
Comparing the situation to a suicide bunt. Showing your blatant ignorance.
Melville wrote: ↑22 Jun 2025 07:48 am
During the broadcast yesterday, all 3 members of the broadcast team discussed and supported Winn jogging lazily to 1B during the prior game - something he has done repeatedly.
They quoted The Marmot as claiming Winn was merely following the orders of the coaching staff, essentially saying the staff wants him to jog to 1B (and take other plays off as well) because they rely on him so heavily.
According to the reporting, because he plays so many innings, because the season is long, because it is hot, because they want him to protect his lower body, he has been told to save his energy, and to "save his bullets" for when needed.
Two points.
It is disgusting that the broadcasters know full well this is complete nonsense and that Winn has been given no such instruction - and not only reported it but defended it as being smart and necessary.
Flat out telling the audience something they did not believe; something antithetical to how the game should be played.
Zero integrity.
Two, neither Marmol nor the staff have told Winn any such thing.
It is obvious The Marmot anticipated the question and rather than telling the truth ("Winn's lack of effort was not acceptable and we have talked about that"), he had devised a long, detailed, nonsensical story designed to protect his player from criticism.
Just the latest in an unending list of examples as to why the man should be fired.
I saw Pujols jog to 1B. I saw Molina jog to 1B.
You say you never watch the games...so, you're lying or full of [shirt]?...BUT THE DH!!!
11WSChamps wrote: ↑22 Jun 2025 08:35 am
Ted Simmons was one of my favorite Cardinal players played a demanding position on astroturf and didn't run out every ball either and I know why.
It's a long season and the dog days are just starting. Donovan if folks didn't notice "trotted" down the line too as did others.
Some common sense please.
I hate it when I have to run hard 90 feet 3 or 4 times a day, it's so hard. Big leaguers aren't paid enough to do that.
It's no surprise you miss the point completely.
Coach my (donkey). You never coached a day in your life.
You are an angry old man who thinks his opinion is the only one that counts. BTW, did you see the bunt in the 11th? Barerro didn't get picked off after the
batter didn't bunt on the first pitch, then easily went to third on the next bunted pitch without a play. That's the way it's supposed to work. Have a nice day and tell those kids to get off your lawn.
So I was right. You never coached and full of [shirt] to boot.
Morons like you believe because you have an opinion that it can't be wrong.
Stick to your knee jerk reactions and leave the thinking to the adults.
So even though you were proved wrong you still insist you're right. Get off my lawn you old demented codger.
You proved nothing dumb[ash].
Comparing the situation to a suicide bunt. Showing your blatant ignorance.
11WSChamps wrote: ↑22 Jun 2025 08:35 am
Ted Simmons was one of my favorite Cardinal players played a demanding position on astroturf and didn't run out every ball either and I know why.
It's a long season and the dog days are just starting. Donovan if folks didn't notice "trotted" down the line too as did others.
Some common sense please.
I hate it when I have to run hard 90 feet 3 or 4 times a day, it's so hard. Big leaguers aren't paid enough to do that.
It's no surprise you miss the point completely.
Coach my (donkey). You never coached a day in your life.
You are an angry old man who thinks his opinion is the only one that counts. BTW, did you see the bunt in the 11th? Barerro didn't get picked off after the
batter didn't bunt on the first pitch, then easily went to third on the next bunted pitch without a play. That's the way it's supposed to work. Have a nice day and tell those kids to get off your lawn.
So I was right. You never coached and full of [shirt] to boot.
Morons like you believe because you have an opinion that it can't be wrong.
Stick to your knee jerk reactions and leave the thinking to the adults.
So even though you were proved wrong you still insist you're right. Get off my lawn you old demented codger.
You proved nothing dumb[ash].
Comparing the situation to a suicide bunt. Showing your blatant ignorance.
11WSChamps wrote: ↑22 Jun 2025 08:35 am
Ted Simmons was one of my favorite Cardinal players played a demanding position on astroturf and didn't run out every ball either and I know why.
It's a long season and the dog days are just starting. Donovan if folks didn't notice "trotted" down the line too as did others.
Some common sense please.
I hate it when I have to run hard 90 feet 3 or 4 times a day, it's so hard. Big leaguers aren't paid enough to do that.
It's no surprise you miss the point completely.
Coach my (donkey). You never coached a day in your life.
You are an angry old man who thinks his opinion is the only one that counts. BTW, did you see the bunt in the 11th? Barerro didn't get picked off after the
batter didn't bunt on the first pitch, then easily went to third on the next bunted pitch without a play. That's the way it's supposed to work. Have a nice day and tell those kids to get off your lawn.
So I was right. You never coached and full of [shirt] to boot.
Morons like you believe because you have an opinion that it can't be wrong.
Stick to your knee jerk reactions and leave the thinking to the adults.
So even though you were proved wrong you still insist you're right. Get off my lawn you old demented codger.
You proved nothing dumb[ash].
Comparing the situation to a suicide bunt. Showing your blatant ignorance.
Go brush your tooth you ignorant hillbilly!
Stupid (child born out of wedlock).
Keep flailing under mommy's skirt.
The best part of you ran down your momma's leg. I've got a million of 'em
