After 1st half watching Maysn Winn--Job isn't secure. I wouldn't sign him to LT extension either

[rockondlouie]

Winn is the future at SS.

But

I too have said there's no need whatsoever to rush into singing him to a LT (8-10 yrs) deal.

Wait until after 2026 when there's a new POBO in C. Bloom and he's a chance to fully evaluate Winn and what he wants to do contract wise.

I keep wondering why they have JJW playing so much SS, are they not sure about Winn or is this just smart player development having him at a much more difficult position vs 2B or 3B?

I disagree on just one point- third base. I feel it’s as demeaning as SS as it takes a special breed to be really good at it.

I like you was a good SS, then 2d baseman, but sucked at third.

Sorry BDog but not even close.

SS is THE most demanding position on the infield.

3rd requires a quick first step and great reflexes.

SS requires that plus range, a strong arm (unless you're the Wizard when he played w/a limited wing) to make throws from the hole, turning double plays, handling stolen base attempts and relays from the outfield.

I take nothing away from 3rd baseman but SS is the more demanding position.

More demanding than catcher?

Meant between 1st-2nd-SS-3rd

Catchers equipment is called the "tools of ignorance" for a reason, I don't know how a guy like Yadi held up for so many innings in this St. Louis heat.

[mattmitchl44]

I keep wondering why they have JJW playing so much SS, are they not sure about Winn or is this just smart player development having him at a much more difficult position vs 2B or 3B?

Continuing to demonstrate his development at SS also maximizes his prospect value should they potentially decide to trade him.

[rockondlouie]

I keep wondering why they have JJW playing so much SS, are they not sure about Winn or is this just smart player development having him at a much more difficult position vs 2B or 3B?

Continuing to demonstrate his development at SS also maximizes his prospect value should they potentially decide to trade him.

Can't see that happening matt.

At least not until they can see what he does when he reaches St. Louis.

[mattmitchl44]

I keep wondering why they have JJW playing so much SS, are they not sure about Winn or is this just smart player development having him at a much more difficult position vs 2B or 3B?

Continuing to demonstrate his development at SS also maximizes his prospect value should they potentially decide to trade him.

Can't see that happening matt.

At least not until they can see what he does when he reaches St. Louis.

I'm not advocating it. I'm just stating that that is another reason why you keep developing any prospect who has the defensive skills to play SS as a SS as long as you can.

[moose-and-squirrel]

I keep wondering why they have JJW playing so much SS, are they not sure about Winn or is this just smart player development having him at a much more difficult position vs 2B or 3B?

Continuing to demonstrate his development at SS also maximizes his prospect value should they potentially decide to trade him.

Can't see that happening matt.

At least not until they can see what he does when he reaches St. Louis.

I'm not advocating it. I'm just stating that that is another reason why you keep developing any prospect who has the defensive skills to play SS as a SS as long as you can.

conventional wisdom says, if you can play SS, you can play 2nd and 3rd. just like a CFer can play LF and RF

also, there doesn't appear to be a SS prospect near the bigs.. so if something WERE to happen to Winn, he'd be ready to play short for ya

[Wattage]

I keep wondering why they have JJW playing so much SS, are they not sure about Winn or is this just smart player development having him at a much more difficult position vs 2B or 3B?

Continuing to demonstrate his development at SS also maximizes his prospect value should they potentially decide to trade him.

Can't see that happening matt.

At least not until they can see what he does when he reaches St. Louis.

Its best to have them play.most challenging position as long as they can. If you play ss then 2b comes very easy. 3b would be easier although there are some different scenarios and long throws to get used to.

Also wetherholt would likely still be the backup ss when he arrives as donovan and even saggese arent totally udeal options if winn got injured in any season

[rockondlouie]

I keep wondering why they have JJW playing so much SS, are they not sure about Winn or is this just smart player development having him at a much more difficult position vs 2B or 3B?

Continuing to demonstrate his development at SS also maximizes his prospect value should they potentially decide to trade him.

Can't see that happening matt.

At least not until they can see what he does when he reaches St. Louis.

I'm not advocating it. I'm just stating that that is another reason why you keep developing any prospect who has the defensive skills to play SS as a SS as long as you can.

I have no issue w/it either

But I don't see it being done to increase his trade value.

[An Old Friend]

I keep wondering why they have JJW playing so much SS, are they not sure about Winn or is this just smart player development having him at a much more difficult position vs 2B or 3B?

Continuing to demonstrate his development at SS also maximizes his prospect value should they potentially decide to trade him.

They’re not trading Wetherholt.

If they think he can play SS in the majors, I can see them moving Winn.

[Cusecards]

Cards should absolutely draft one of
Aiva Arquette, Eli Willits or Billy Carlson.
Winn I don't think is the LT solution.
Has a great arm, but other than that the
D isn't really elite and the hitting isn't either.
The big three of Walker, Gorman and Winn
are turning out to be duds.
Burleson and Donovan are the keepers here.
I expect JJ to step up and so, we need one more.
Burleson, Donovan, JJ and Billy Carlson be a nice 4some.
Not giving up on Winn, but just not superb by any means.

I dont necessarily disagree on extending winn, but calling him a dud is asinine.

LOL....consider the source of the comment!

[redbirdfan51]

With the number 5 pick in the draft, the Cards should pick the best player available whether it's an everyday position player or a pitcher. If the Cards draft a SS , that player could play nearly any position on the field.

[DIAMONDINTHEROUGH]

The team has been burned in the past signing players to extensions too quickly. Let's wait until next year to fully evaluate him. And decide then.

[BMoreCardsFan]

Joey Ortiz is above average defensively, Winn is way above average, one of the best.

[Ozziesfan41]

Winn is still on pace to be a 4 fWAR player this season after being a 3.6 fWAR player last year. He's a young, above average defensive SS who has been a ML average (wRC+ 100) hitter. That should give him a solid floor going forward, with a chance to be even better as his hitting hopefully improves into his prime.

In regards to a long term extension, it all depends on the price. If you wanted to sign him through age 30, it would be a 7 year deal (2026-2032). But there's a big difference between whether he would sign for 7 yrs./$50 million, 7 yrs./$75 million, 7 yrs./$100 million, etc. At some price point, the team should certainly sign him long term, at some other price point they certainly should not, and there is likely a lot of grey area between those two.

The traits I like about Winn are he
seems to actually care and he's very
athletic.
So, he could become a special player.
However, it certainly shouldn't stop management
from drafting a SS in this year's draft.
I disagree with signing Winn this year LT.
Maybe wait a year and see what that brings.
We do have half a season left.
Maybe he will improve.
He's underperforming my expectations right now.
The D is not as good as I expected.
I expected the hitting to be subpar.

Winn has been above averahe defensively.

Winns hitting has been average this season and above average last season- and not just for ss but for all kf mlv.

The hitting has not been subpar.

People just neednto look at the league as a whole instead of remembering the stats players put up 10 years ago as a baseline


Winn isnt an allstar. But hes been a viable starter. Above average id even say.

A lot of people on cards talk think unless a player is an
MVP candidate they are a dud

[bccardsfan]

Winn steals an out or two a game with that arm. He doubled up Elly De La Cruz today and there are very few SS that could have made that pivot to get him. I have no idea how all of this shows up in defensive metrics, but I want that kid playing D for me. If he hits well enough to bat 7th or 8th that is fine for me....

[woofy25]

Cards should absolutely draft one of
Aiva Arquette, Eli Willits or Billy Carlson.
Winn I don't think is the LT solution.
Has a great arm, but other than that the
D isn't really elite and the hitting isn't either.
The big three of Walker, Gorman and Winn
are turning out to be duds.
Burleson and Donovan are the keepers here.
I expect JJ to step up and so, we need one more.
Burleson, Donovan, JJ and Billy Carlson be a nice 4some.
Not giving up on Winn, but just not superb by any means.

Why so high on jj with Walker and Gorman not living up to the hype and Winn being a league average hitter?

[mattmitchl44]

The team has been burned in the past signing players to extensions too quickly. Let's wait until next year to fully evaluate him. And decide then.

They've mostly gotten burned by signing older players that they knew a lot about - Matt Carpenter, Mikolas, Molina, etc. - to extensions before they needed to.