Sorry, but I don't ever remember this many rainouts

[Goldfan]

So tornado alley has expanded from the traditional area of the Great Plains to the SE recently.
Seems like this spring storm system after storm system track thru the STL area, thru S. Illinois and into the lower Ohio valley. Meanwhile some parts of N. Illinois and parts of Iowa are in an abnormally dry area. Increased weather volatility all over the globe is the apparent trend.
Atmospheric levels of CO2 have risen from about 280 ppm pre industrial to about 430 ppm today. Methane levels, a more potent greenhouse gas has risen from about 720 ppb pre industrial, to about 2000 ppb today.
As the permafrost continues to melt, more and more methane is being released that had been trapped underground into the atmosphere that wasn't figured into recent projections for the climate models. Then while the lower atmosphere has been trending warmer, the upper atmosphere like the stratosphere and mesosphere significant cooling is happening as greenhouse gases act differently higher up.
But yeah, let's deny we're not complicit with climate change.
Anyway, yes, I think a retractable roof where you could still maintain natural grass would be the ideal model for new stadium construction.

Humans tend to think that the environment(Earth)SHOULD stay in a very tight range for all natural inputs that directly affect them. If a slight variance occurs it must somehow be caused by them. The scale of just the Sun/Earth relationship is unfathomable…..with the ever so slight changes representing less than nothing in a cosmic sense…..just be thankful a 0-100F temp range remains…..if the sun deviates, polar shift, or even Yellowstone blowing you might understand this stupid obsession with supposed human CO2 manipulation is laughable.

[sikeston bulldog2]

So tornado alley has expanded from the traditional area of the Great Plains to the SE recently.
Seems like this spring storm system after storm system track thru the STL area, thru S. Illinois and into the lower Ohio valley. Meanwhile some parts of N. Illinois and parts of Iowa are in an abnormally dry area. Increased weather volatility all over the globe is the apparent trend.
Atmospheric levels of CO2 have risen from about 280 ppm pre industrial to about 430 ppm today. Methane levels, a more potent greenhouse gas has risen from about 720 ppb pre industrial, to about 2000 ppb today.
As the permafrost continues to melt, more and more methane is being released that had been trapped underground into the atmosphere that wasn't figured into recent projections for the climate models. Then while the lower atmosphere has been trending warmer, the upper atmosphere like the stratosphere and mesosphere significant cooling is happening as greenhouse gases act differently higher up.
But yeah, let's deny we're not complicit with climate change.
Anyway, yes, I think a retractable roof where you could still maintain natural grass would be the ideal model for new stadium construction.

Humans tend to think that the environment(Earth)SHOULD stay in a very tight range for all natural inputs that directly affect them. If a slight variance occurs it must somehow be caused by them. The scale of just the Sun/Earth relationship is unfathomable…..with the ever so slight changes representing less than nothing in a cosmic sense…..just be thankful a 0-100F temp range remains…..if the sun deviates, polar shift, or even Yellowstone blowing you might understand this stupid obsession with supposed human CO2 manipulation is laughable.

As I stated. Simple earth progression. The sun is a dying star. Getting hotter. All else follows. Nothing more.

[Futuregm2]

4 of the 6 rainouts were at Boston, Cincinnati, Philly, and now Chicago. It has been a very rainy spring east of the Mississippi all over the league. The Cardinals have just had bad luck with the weather.

Many of you want St. Louis to have a dome. I guess many of you think all the MLB teams should have a dome. Minneapolis used to have one, and it was a travesty, a dump. They replaced it with a beautiful outdoor stadium. The currently out of commission Trop in Tampa Bay is a horrible place to play baseball. The Olympic Stadium in Montreal was a mess. The Astrodome in Houston was terrible - I saw a game there in '69. I attended a game at Milwaukee's retractable dome several years ago. I like the fact that it still has real grass unlike domes in Arlington, Toronto, Phoenix, Tampa, and Miami.

There are certain cities where a dome makes a great deal of sense. Houston, Arlington, Phoenix all qualify due to the oppressive heat. Toronto and Milwaukee because of colder spring and fall temps. Seattle, Tampa, Miami due to lots of rain.
Some people believe St. Louis summers are hot enough to qualify.

I only live about 30 miles from downtown St. Louis, so I do not have the issue with rainouts that fans who drive from a hundred miles or more to watch a game. I will say that in all the games I have attended since 1963, not once have I got to a game and it was not started and then postponed. The worst experience I endured was a game vs the Giants which had long delays twice during the game and after about 5 innings we left because it was already almost midnight.

Bottom line - I prefer baseball in an open air stadium, but if the Cardinal org. decided to build a retractable dome with real grass turf I would not be upset, providing the cost of constructing it would not be passed on to the fans.

I don’t think it’s a dome persay that people want them to replace it with. It’s a stadium with a retractable roof. Best of both worlds. On sunny days you still get the outdoor feel of a stadium and on rainy days you can close the roof and not have a game canceled.

[JDW]

So tornado alley has expanded from the traditional area of the Great Plains to the SE recently.
Seems like this spring storm system after storm system track thru the STL area, thru S. Illinois and into the lower Ohio valley. Meanwhile some parts of N. Illinois and parts of Iowa are in an abnormally dry area. Increased weather volatility all over the globe is the apparent trend.
Atmospheric levels of CO2 have risen from about 280 ppm pre industrial to about 430 ppm today. Methane levels, a more potent greenhouse gas has risen from about 720 ppb pre industrial, to about 2000 ppb today.
As the permafrost continues to melt, more and more methane is being released that had been trapped underground into the atmosphere that wasn't figured into recent projections for the climate models. Then while the lower atmosphere has been trending warmer, the upper atmosphere like the stratosphere and mesosphere significant cooling is happening as greenhouse gases act differently higher up.
But yeah, let's deny we're not complicit with climate change.
Anyway, yes, I think a retractable roof where you could still maintain natural grass would be the ideal model for new stadium construction.

I think it’s just a measured progression to an uninhabited top of ground environment. Soon underground cities will be the norm.

Underground communities exist all ready.

Well, I don't know that'll will happen at scale anytime soon, although as we continue to lose coastlines to rising seas, forcing populations to migrate inward, it could get pretty interesting.
But maybe our definition of soon is different. For ex., if the age of the Earth was compared to a calendar year, humans have only been around like the last 20 minutes of December 31st. Then it's like only in the last few seconds of our existence where we have changed conditions on Earth drastically. Blink of an eye.

[thetank2]

July 7-8, 1987...swept 4 from Dodgers

https://www.stlredbirds.com/2022/04/15/ ... ne%20games.

I was at these games with my dad….can’t remember if we stayed til 3am, but it was AM when we did leave….never forget that.

I was there too in the bleachers for $1. 2 walk-off 10th inning winners.

[Goldfan]

July 7-8, 1987...swept 4 from Dodgers

https://www.stlredbirds.com/2022/04/15/ ... ne%20games.

I was at these games with my dad….can’t remember if we stayed til 3am, but it was AM when we did leave….never forget that.

I was there too in the bleachers for $1. 2 walk-off 10th inning winners.

I believe there was a rain delay at some point that evening as well….

[JDW]

So tornado alley has expanded from the traditional area of the Great Plains to the SE recently.
Seems like this spring storm system after storm system track thru the STL area, thru S. Illinois and into the lower Ohio valley. Meanwhile some parts of N. Illinois and parts of Iowa are in an abnormally dry area. Increased weather volatility all over the globe is the apparent trend.
Atmospheric levels of CO2 have risen from about 280 ppm pre industrial to about 430 ppm today. Methane levels, a more potent greenhouse gas has risen from about 720 ppb pre industrial, to about 2000 ppb today.
As the permafrost continues to melt, more and more methane is being released that had been trapped underground into the atmosphere that wasn't figured into recent projections for the climate models. Then while the lower atmosphere has been trending warmer, the upper atmosphere like the stratosphere and mesosphere significant cooling is happening as greenhouse gases act differently higher up.
But yeah, let's deny we're not complicit with climate change.
Anyway, yes, I think a retractable roof where you could still maintain natural grass would be the ideal model for new stadium construction.

Humans tend to think that the environment(Earth)SHOULD stay in a very tight range for all natural inputs that directly affect them. If a slight variance occurs it must somehow be caused by them. The scale of just the Sun/Earth relationship is unfathomable…..with the ever so slight changes representing less than nothing in a cosmic sense…..just be thankful a 0-100F temp range remains…..if the sun deviates, polar shift, or even Yellowstone blowing you might understand this stupid obsession with supposed human CO2 manipulation is laughable.

Sure, an asteroid, a super volcano, all kind of major happenings out of our control can cause extinction events, but they are extremely rare compared to the daily assault humans are currently causing to the environment. To deny the recent (since 1850) CO2 and methane increases on anything other than human causes reaches a point where we can't have a civil conversation. Yearly ice cores clearly show the trend, both since the industrial revolution and before the industrial revolution, when the yearly CO2 levels were very stable.
We are already in an extinction event, this time and for the first time caused by human activities. It's not that apparent to most because we don't have a good perception of time or the natural world around us. We're doing it very fast. Have we already crossed a tipping point? For many species, yes. For us, with our ability to manipulate our own climate, probably no. Many species disappear, while many more species are coming on line, but biodiversity continues to decrease overall.
And eventually we can probably transform Mars. With our moon, maybe we can make the old lava tubes there inhabitable. That's where the underground cities might work best.

[ramfandan]

While anecdotal for sure, I have several Brewer buddies that live 75 miles north of Milw. All retirees . They go to 4 or 5 Brewer day games (senior discount) and no night driving for hour and half .
Not one of them considers Am Fam field an indoor stadium. It’s outdoor venue where roof panels can be closed.
They are guaranteed baseball for every date they get tickets regardless if they drive thru rain . They also like it has grass field .
From their perspective: length of drives..100% guarantee games played on time they are quite pleased with the retractable roof option. No complaints !

[45s]

perhaps one should look beyond a baseball perspective

a stadium with a roof....fixed or retractable, would allow st louis to compete with other cities for major national events
final four, conventions, the wbc, major entertainment shows//concerts.. all of those events are going to places like new orleans, houston, miami, phoenix, dallas

what do those cites have in common.....a stadium/stadiums with a roof that assures the event will not be subject to poor weather

[Goldfan]

So tornado alley has expanded from the traditional area of the Great Plains to the SE recently.
Seems like this spring storm system after storm system track thru the STL area, thru S. Illinois and into the lower Ohio valley. Meanwhile some parts of N. Illinois and parts of Iowa are in an abnormally dry area. Increased weather volatility all over the globe is the apparent trend.
Atmospheric levels of CO2 have risen from about 280 ppm pre industrial to about 430 ppm today. Methane levels, a more potent greenhouse gas has risen from about 720 ppb pre industrial, to about 2000 ppb today.
As the permafrost continues to melt, more and more methane is being released that had been trapped underground into the atmosphere that wasn't figured into recent projections for the climate models. Then while the lower atmosphere has been trending warmer, the upper atmosphere like the stratosphere and mesosphere significant cooling is happening as greenhouse gases act differently higher up.
But yeah, let's deny we're not complicit with climate change.
Anyway, yes, I think a retractable roof where you could still maintain natural grass would be the ideal model for new stadium construction.

Humans tend to think that the environment(Earth)SHOULD stay in a very tight range for all natural inputs that directly affect them. If a slight variance occurs it must somehow be caused by them. The scale of just the Sun/Earth relationship is unfathomable…..with the ever so slight changes representing less than nothing in a cosmic sense…..just be thankful a 0-100F temp range remains…..if the sun deviates, polar shift, or even Yellowstone blowing you might understand this stupid obsession with supposed human CO2 manipulation is laughable.

Sure, an asteroid, a super volcano, all kind of major happenings out of our control can cause extinction events, but they are extremely rare compared to the daily assault humans are currently causing to the environment. To deny the recent (since 1850) CO2 and methane increases on anything other than human causes reaches a point where we can't have a civil conversation. Yearly ice cores clearly show the trend, both since the industrial revolution and before the industrial revolution, when the yearly CO2 levels were very stable.
We are already in an extinction event, this time and for the first time caused by human activities. It's not that apparent to most because we don't have a good perception of time or the natural world around us. We're doing it very fast. Have we already crossed a tipping point? For many species, yes. For us, with our ability to manipulate our own climate, probably no. Many species disappear, while many more species are coming on line, but biodiversity continues to decrease overall.
And eventually we can probably transform Mars. With our moon, maybe we can make the old lava tubes there inhabitable. That's where the underground cities might work best.

You’ve Been bamboozled by manipulators attempting to profit from your panic. I’m not saying climate change isn’t happening, won’t happen, hasn’t happened since the Rock has been spinning….I’m saying a Chevy on the highway the last 80yrs isn’t causing more Cardinals doubleheaders…..

[BrummerStealsHome]

perhaps one should look beyond a baseball perspective

a stadium with a roof....fixed or retractable, would allow st louis to compete with other cities for major national events
final four, conventions, the wbc, major entertainment shows//concerts.. all of those events are going to places like new orleans, houston, miami, phoenix, dallas

what do those cites have in common.....a stadium/stadiums with a roof that assures the event will not be subject to poor weather

Well . . . that's what they used to say about the NFL. The effort to keep the Cardinals involved building an open air stadium, but at the time St. Louis needed an indoor stadium to compete. Same with the expansion effort. So they built the TWA Dome and the Rams came. Then the indoor stadium became a liability and the lack of a "state-of-the-art" outdoor facility contributed to the NFL leaving.

[BrummerStealsHome]

They don’t wait out rain delays much anymore

The Reds did tonight however game delayed by 2.5 hours and playing at 915EDT

That's the difference. There was a time where they'd wait it out and play into the wee hours of the morning to get a game in. Not like that anymore. Now they'll postpone games because of forecasted storms.

Who remembers those back-to-back marathon double headers with the Dodgers over 4th of July weekend in 1987. Wasn't first pitch in one of those after midnight?

[45s]

perhaps one should look beyond a baseball perspective

a stadium with a roof....fixed or retractable, would allow st louis to compete with other cities for major national events
final four, conventions, the wbc, major entertainment shows//concerts.. all of those events are going to places like new orleans, houston, miami, phoenix, dallas

what do those cites have in common.....a stadium/stadiums with a roof that assures the event will not be subject to poor weather

Well . . . that's what they used to say about the NFL. The effort to keep the Cardinals involved building an open air stadium, but at the time St. Louis needed an indoor stadium to compete. Same with the expansion effort. So they built the TWA Dome and the Rams came. Then the indoor stadium became a liability and the lack of a "state-of-the-art" outdoor facility contributed to the NFL leaving.

no doubt the political atmosphere in st louis/st louis county is a roadblock ...

my post suggests the value of that type facility......nothing more

I'm under no illusion that would ever happen here, as the region falls further and further behind....

[BrummerStealsHome]

They don’t wait out rain delays much anymore

The Reds did tonight however game delayed by 2.5 hours and playing at 915EDT

That's the difference. There was a time where they'd wait it out and play into the wee hours of the morning to get a game in. Not like that anymore. Now they'll postpone games because of forecasted storms.

Who remembers those back-to-back marathon double headers with the Dodgers over 4th of July weekend in 1987. Wasn't first pitch in one of those after midnight?

By they way, just for fun I checked. The second game of that first doubheader began at 11:14pm and ended at straight up 3:00am. There had been a 2h 20 min rain delay in the first game. MLB would NEVER do that these days.

[sikeston bulldog2]

They don’t wait out rain delays much anymore

The Reds did tonight however game delayed by 2.5 hours and playing at 915EDT

That's the difference. There was a time where they'd wait it out and play into the wee hours of the morning to get a game in. Not like that anymore. Now they'll postpone games because of forecasted storms.

Who remembers those back-to-back marathon double headers with the Dodgers over 4th of July weekend in 1987. Wasn't first pitch in one of those after midnight?

By they way, just for fun I checked. The second game of that first doubheader began at 11:14pm and ended at straight up 3:00am. There had been a 2h 20 min rain delay in the first game. MLB would NEVER do that these days.

I’ve been in 115 degree weather twice. Once in the Mohave desert at NTc; the other about 60 miles west of Fort Worth.

[sdaltons]

So tornado alley has expanded from the traditional area of the Great Plains to the SE recently.
Seems like this spring storm system after storm system track thru the STL area, thru S. Illinois and into the lower Ohio valley. Meanwhile some parts of N. Illinois and parts of Iowa are in an abnormally dry area. Increased weather volatility all over the globe is the apparent trend.
Atmospheric levels of CO2 have risen from about 280 ppm pre industrial to about 430 ppm today. Methane levels, a more potent greenhouse gas has risen from about 720 ppb pre industrial, to about 2000 ppb today.
As the permafrost continues to melt, more and more methane is being released that had been trapped underground into the atmosphere that wasn't figured into recent projections for the climate models. Then while the lower atmosphere has been trending warmer, the upper atmosphere like the stratosphere and mesosphere significant cooling is happening as greenhouse gases act differently higher up.
But yeah, let's deny we're not complicit with climate change.
Anyway, yes, I think a retractable roof where you could still maintain natural grass would be the ideal model for new stadium construction.

Humans tend to think that the environment(Earth)SHOULD stay in a very tight range for all natural inputs that directly affect them. If a slight variance occurs it must somehow be caused by them. The scale of just the Sun/Earth relationship is unfathomable…..with the ever so slight changes representing less than nothing in a cosmic sense…..just be thankful a 0-100F temp range remains…..if the sun deviates, polar shift, or even Yellowstone blowing you might understand this stupid obsession with supposed human CO2 manipulation is laughable.

Sure, an asteroid, a super volcano, all kind of major happenings out of our control can cause extinction events, but they are extremely rare compared to the daily assault humans are currently causing to the environment. To deny the recent (since 1850) CO2 and methane increases on anything other than human causes reaches a point where we can't have a civil conversation. Yearly ice cores clearly show the trend, both since the industrial revolution and before the industrial revolution, when the yearly CO2 levels were very stable.
We are already in an extinction event, this time and for the first time caused by human activities. It's not that apparent to most because we don't have a good perception of time or the natural world around us. We're doing it very fast. Have we already crossed a tipping point? For many species, yes. For us, with our ability to manipulate our own climate, probably no. Many species disappear, while many more species are coming on line, but biodiversity continues to decrease overall.
And eventually we can probably transform Mars. With our moon, maybe we can make the old lava tubes there inhabitable. That's where the underground cities might work best.

You’ve Been bamboozled by manipulators attempting to profit from your panic. I’m not saying climate change isn’t happening, won’t happen, hasn’t happened since the Rock has been spinning….I’m saying a Chevy on the highway the last 80yrs isn’t causing more Cardinals doubleheaders…..

My goodness.