Sorry, but I don't ever remember this many rainouts

[45s]

I don’t think it happened this year…..but there have been some seasons when some domed stadium teams opened on the road….and were rained out…

[butsir01]

Red, you may remember better than I on this. I believe it was 1962 and the Cards hosted the smallish bears for back-to-back twinight DHs. These were due to rainouts. Cards won all four and Bill White tied the record of 12 hits in those four games. Nary an inning was on tv, but who cared with Harry, Jack and Joe?

[cardstatman]

Not sure this is true but, I ran across it on the interweb.

On Aug. 18, 1909, the Philadelphia Phillies endured their 10th consecutive rainout.

This rainy day was in Philadelphia, but the team had just returned from a “western” trip that began in St. Louis, moved to Cincinnati and then on to Pittsburgh.

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Anyone have any facts on rainouts?

Not related to Cardinals but ever since Milwaukee constructed (formerly Miller park..now American Family Field), they have zero rainouts with the retractable roof.

That is one ugly ballpark. The outfield configuration especially. The CF home runs bash off a batter's eye wall directly behind the fence and back onto the field. The same home runs in STL land softly and eye-pleasingly in a pasture well in front of the batter's eye. And fans in the bleachers on either side can retrieve them.

And many of the other home runs in Milwaukee go into empty spaces beyond the walls. Home runs were meant to vanish into a sea of fans, not seas of empty space.

And, no, we don't need indoor baseball in STL, because indoor baseball sucks. No wind, no sun, no elements that should be part of the game. When the best ballparks are mentioned, the retractable domes are seldom mentioned. It's Wrigley, Dodger Stadium, Fenway, Oracle Park, Coors Field, etc. And they reflect the spirit and location of the places where they reside.

And far too often retractable domes are closed just because the weather isn't perfect. No thanks.

[Futuregm2]

Anyone have any facts on rainouts?

Already tied for most DH’s in a season since at least 2010 for the Cards.

[ecleme22]

Anyone have any facts on rainouts?

Already tied for most DH’s in a season since at least 2010 for the Cards.

Do you have a stat on the last 'standard' doubleheader?

Maybe my head has been in the sand, but I can't remember the last.

Should be a fun two games.

[OldRed]

Red, you may remember better than I on this. I believe it was 1962 and the Cards hosted the smallish bears for back-to-back twinight DHs. These were due to rainouts. Cards won all four and Bill White tied the record of 12 hits in those four games. Nary an inning was on tv, but who cared with Harry, Jack and Joe?

I was a senior in high school. My Dad and I attended both the DH's.

[WLTFE]

July 7-8, 1987...swept 4 from Dodgers

[OldRed]

Red, you may remember better than I on this. I believe it was 1962 and the Cards hosted the smallish bears for back-to-back twinight DHs. These were due to rainouts. Cards won all four and Bill White tied the record of 12 hits in those four games. Nary an inning was on tv, but who cared with Harry, Jack and Joe?

I was a senior in high school. My Dad and I attended both the DH's.

July 18, 1961 - Bill White belted a home run, two singles, two triples and a double in helping the Cardinals beat the Cubs, 8-2 and 7-5, in a twilight-night double-header today. White tied a 49-year-old major league batting record in the process. The record, held by the late Ty Cobb, was for hits in consecutive double-headers. It stands at 14. White's feat broke the National League record, which was 12.

[Goldfan]

July 7-8, 1987...swept 4 from Dodgers

https://www.stlredbirds.com/2022/04/15/ ... ne%20games.

I was at these games with my dad….can’t remember if we stayed til 3am, but it was AM when we did leave….never forget that.

[WLTFE]

July 7-8, 1987...swept 4 from Dodgers

https://www.stlredbirds.com/2022/04/15/ ... ne%20games.

I was at these games with my dad….can’t remember if we stayed til 3am, but it was AM when we did leave….never forget that.

I listened to them.. and somehow made it to work a few hours later..' when I wore a younger man's clothes!'

[sikeston bulldog2]

July 7-8, 1987...swept 4 from Dodgers

https://www.stlredbirds.com/2022/04/15/ ... ne%20games.

I was at these games with my dad….can’t remember if we stayed til 3am, but it was AM when we did leave….never forget that.

I listened to them.. and somehow made it to work a few hours later..' when I wore a younger man's clothes!'

Ah yes. The all nighter. Then work. Thank goodness for DR peppers. My morning hang over go to in my youth.

[JDW]

So tornado alley has expanded from the traditional area of the Great Plains to the SE recently.
Seems like this spring storm system after storm system track thru the STL area, thru S. Illinois and into the lower Ohio valley. Meanwhile some parts of N. Illinois and parts of Iowa are in an abnormally dry area. Increased weather volatility all over the globe is the apparent trend.
Atmospheric levels of CO2 have risen from about 280 ppm pre industrial to about 430 ppm today. Methane levels, a more potent greenhouse gas has risen from about 720 ppb pre industrial, to about 2000 ppb today.
As the permafrost continues to melt, more and more methane is being released that had been trapped underground into the atmosphere that wasn't figured into recent projections for the climate models. Then while the lower atmosphere has been trending warmer, the upper atmosphere like the stratosphere and mesosphere significant cooling is happening as greenhouse gases act differently higher up.
But yeah, let's deny we're not complicit with climate change.
Anyway, yes, I think a retractable roof where you could still maintain natural grass would be the ideal model for new stadium construction.

[sikeston bulldog2]

So tornado alley has expanded from the traditional area of the Great Plains to the SE recently.
Seems like this spring storm system after storm system track thru the STL area, thru S. Illinois and into the lower Ohio valley. Meanwhile some parts of N. Illinois and parts of Iowa are in an abnormally dry area. Increased weather volatility all over the globe is the apparent trend.
Atmospheric levels of CO2 have risen from about 280 ppm pre industrial to about 430 ppm today. Methane levels, a more potent greenhouse gas has risen from about 720 ppb pre industrial, to about 2000 ppb today.
As the permafrost continues to melt, more and more methane is being released that had been trapped underground into the atmosphere that wasn't figured into recent projections for the climate models. Then while the lower atmosphere has been trending warmer, the upper atmosphere like the stratosphere and mesosphere significant cooling is happening as greenhouse gases act differently higher up.
But yeah, let's deny we're not complicit with climate change.
Anyway, yes, I think a retractable roof where you could still maintain natural grass would be the ideal model for new stadium construction.

I think it’s just a measured progression to an uninhabited top of ground environment. Soon underground cities will be the norm.

Underground communities exist all ready.

[ramfandan]

Anyone have any facts on rainouts?

Not related to Cardinals but ever since Milwaukee constructed (formerly Miller park..now American Family Field), they have zero rainouts with the retractable roof.

That is one ugly ballpark. The outfield configuration especially. The CF home runs bash off a batter's eye wall directly behind the fence and back onto the field. The same home runs in STL land softly and eye-pleasingly in a pasture well in front of the batter's eye. And fans in the bleachers on either side can retrieve them.

And many of the other home runs in Milwaukee go into empty spaces beyond the walls. Home runs were meant to vanish into a sea of fans, not seas of empty space.

And, no, we don't need indoor baseball in STL, because indoor baseball sucks. No wind, no sun, no elements that should be part of the game. When the best ballparks are mentioned, the retractable domes are seldom mentioned. It's Wrigley, Dodger Stadium, Fenway, Oracle Park, Coors Field, etc. And they reflect the spirit and location of the places where they reside.

And far too often retractable domes are closed just because the weather isn't perfect. No thanks.

While I agree with your overall comments regarding batters eye, aesethics, those elements in design are not related to the retractable roof. Milwaukee is not a retractable dome (like a few others) but 7 fan-shaped panels with 5 of them that can slide open 3 steavked to left and 2 stacked to right. In 2022, the panels were closed 28 times of the 81 home games.
So over 2/3 of the time it remained open air like any other park.
The plus of having some type of retractable roof is the guarantee of every home game being played. I would also be opposed to a retractable dome but with technology ( like the unique fan-shaped stacking panels) an engineer may come up with even a more unique system. Btw it only takes 10 min. To slide the panels to the closed position. You could keep the grass CF landing area if you wish etc. and open air a vast majority of time .. best of both worlds.

[12xu]

4 of the 6 rainouts were at Boston, Cincinnati, Philly, and now Chicago. It has been a very rainy spring east of the Mississippi all over the league. The Cardinals have just had bad luck with the weather.

Many of you want St. Louis to have a dome. I guess many of you think all the MLB teams should have a dome. Minneapolis used to have one, and it was a travesty, a dump. They replaced it with a beautiful outdoor stadium. The currently out of commission Trop in Tampa Bay is a horrible place to play baseball. The Olympic Stadium in Montreal was a mess. The Astrodome in Houston was terrible - I saw a game there in '69. I attended a game at Milwaukee's retractable dome several years ago. I like the fact that it still has real grass unlike domes in Arlington, Toronto, Phoenix, Tampa, and Miami.

There are certain cities where a dome makes a great deal of sense. Houston, Arlington, Phoenix all qualify due to the oppressive heat. Toronto and Milwaukee because of colder spring and fall temps. Seattle, Tampa, Miami due to lots of rain.
Some people believe St. Louis summers are hot enough to qualify.

I only live about 30 miles from downtown St. Louis, so I do not have the issue with rainouts that fans who drive from a hundred miles or more to watch a game. I will say that in all the games I have attended since 1963, not once have I got to a game and it was not started and then postponed. The worst experience I endured was a game vs the Giants which had long delays twice during the game and after about 5 innings we left because it was already almost midnight.

Bottom line - I prefer baseball in an open air stadium, but if the Cardinal org. decided to build a retractable dome with real grass turf I would not be upset, providing the cost of constructing it would not be passed on to the fans.