Oilers: Biggest Fraud in SCF history

[Barksdale's People]

Hated to see what was such a close series early turn into a blowout at the end. That said I obviously wasn’t rooting for Canada but as a neutral I always hope for a great series and thought we might get one after the first two games.

[DutchBlue]

Imagine being so annoyed by another team then your own (or at least that’s what someone always says… the blues are his team) losing the cup… pathetic.

On topic yes they sucked, played dirty against stars and yes were outplayed 5 out of 6 games in SCF.

[callitwhatyouwant]

Interesting facts about amount of time with leading score in SCF series:

The shortest time any team has held the lead in a Stanley Cup Final series—aside from the 1968 Blues, who never led—is a remarkable 8.8 seconds. This occurred when the 2020 Tampa Bay Lightning won the Cup: across the four-game series, they led for only 8.8 seconds in total, despite ultimately winning the championship.

BTW three of the four games in the 1968 SCF went to overtime, the other was 1-0. The Blues gave les Habs a run for their money in all four games.

No, only two went to OT and the score of the other game was 3-2.

Game 1 - 3-2 OT
Game 2 - 1-0
Game 3 - 4-3 OT
Game 4 - 3-2

Game three
Glenn Hall was sensational, especially in game three when the Canadiens outshot the Blues 46–15. Wrote Red Burnett, the dean of hockey writers then: "A number of Hall's saves were seemingly impossible. Experts walked out of the Forum convinced no other goaltender had performed so brilliantly in a losing cause." In the overtime of game three, Hall made a spectacular save on Dick Duff and then, standing on his head, made another save. "It was a heartbreaker to see," said Burnett. "After the saves on Duff, Bobby Rousseau came and batted home the second rebound." Hall's heroics even in defeat earned him the Conn Smythe Trophy as the most valuable player in the playoffs.

From WIKIPEDIA

Six Conn Smythe winners have come from the losing side. Four have been goalies. Who are the "non goalies"?

Reggie Leach - Philadelphia Flyers in 1976
Connor McDavid - Edmonton Oilers 2024

Yep.

And after looking at this year's vote totals, while I sensed it would be a rate between Bennett and Marchand, I was surprised Bobrovsky received so little love for his efforts:

Voting Point Totals
Sam Bennett, Florida: 76 points
Brad Marchand, Florida: 68 points
Sergei Bobrovsky, Florida: 10 points
Leon Draisaitl, Edmonton: 7 points
Gustav Forsling, Florida: 1 point

It was Bennetts to win going into the Finals, and then Marchand started making his case for the trophy in the finals. The only way Bob was going to get into the discussion was if the Oil played some defense and it turned into a goalie war. But it didn't. They rolled over and showed their belly. They gave us one of the worst Stanley Cup performances in a long time. While the Panthers showed one of the most dominant performances. Bob didn't get any points because of it which is a shame. I had Marchand, and I despise that rat.

It's a bummer that the Oil couldn't deliver a good product for the NHL. It was already getting TV ratings problems. Them not making a compelling story line is going to do some damage. Especially with the NBA not having the heavy hitters in their final. I think the NHL dropped the ball here. Shouldn't have had as big of a break as they did. Getting the head start on the NBA would have done them some good. And the other isn't in their control but the Oil playing terrible with the stars of the sport hurts the image.

[Harry S Deals]

Oilers could have used one of the biggest risers of '25 for sure.....

[bluetunehead]

Interesting facts about amount of time with leading score in SCF series:

The shortest time any team has held the lead in a Stanley Cup Final series—aside from the 1968 Blues, who never led—is a remarkable 8.8 seconds. This occurred when the 2020 Tampa Bay Lightning won the Cup: across the four-game series, they led for only 8.8 seconds in total, despite ultimately winning the championship.

BTW three of the four games in the 1968 SCF went to overtime, the other was 1-0. The Blues gave les Habs a run for their money in all four games.

No, only two went to OT and the score of the other game was 3-2.

Game 1 - 3-2 OT
Game 2 - 1-0
Game 3 - 4-3 OT
Game 4 - 3-2

Game three
Glenn Hall was sensational, especially in game three when the Canadiens outshot the Blues 46–15. Wrote Red Burnett, the dean of hockey writers then: "A number of Hall's saves were seemingly impossible. Experts walked out of the Forum convinced no other goaltender had performed so brilliantly in a losing cause." In the overtime of game three, Hall made a spectacular save on Dick Duff and then, standing on his head, made another save. "It was a heartbreaker to see," said Burnett. "After the saves on Duff, Bobby Rousseau came and batted home the second rebound." Hall's heroics even in defeat earned him the Conn Smythe Trophy as the most valuable player in the playoffs.

From WIKIPEDIA

Six Conn Smythe winners have come from the losing side. Four have been goalies. Who are the "non goalies"?

Reggie Leach - Philadelphia Flyers in 1976
Connor McDavid - Edmonton Oilers 2024

Yep.

And after looking at this year's vote totals, while I sensed it would be a rate between Bennett and Marchand, I was surprised Bobrovsky received so little love for his efforts:

Voting Point Totals
Sam Bennett, Florida: 76 points
Brad Marchand, Florida: 68 points
Sergei Bobrovsky, Florida: 10 points
Leon Draisaitl, Edmonton: 7 points
Gustav Forsling, Florida: 1 point

Not one vote for the guy with the most points in the tournament.
Seems odd.

Eh, that was last year. They weren't going to give it to McDavid twice in a row while losing.

[theograce]

Oilers could have used one of the biggest risers of '25 for sure.....

And the best dman since Pronger too…don’t forget

[Cardsfanforlife]

They're a poorly constructed team. Amazing talent upfront, but no support to go all the way.

They were a goal away last year. You don’t do that with a poorly constructed team

Florida is head and shoulders better than the the 2nd best team in the world

what this makes me think of more than anything is, maybe the leafs werent that far off afterall, shame marner is leaving really!

they actually had FLA on the ropes in the 2nd round.

[theograce]

They're a poorly constructed team. Amazing talent upfront, but no support to go all the way.

They were a goal away last year. You don’t do that with a poorly constructed team

Florida is head and shoulders better than the the 2nd best team in the world

what this makes me think of more than anything is, maybe the leafs werent that far off afterall, shame marner is leaving really!

they actually had FLA on the ropes in the 2nd round.

The Leafs were really good and all in. Game 3 was a shame

[callitwhatyouwant]

Oilers could have used one of the biggest risers of '25 for sure.....

That's interesting, wasn't he like the 4th most valuable contract this year too? I really hope he's able to put a couple years together and keep that momentum. The way he played it definitely looked like he could replicate the play, even if it's not in points totals. The amount of times he stripped the other team of the puck and caused extra forecheck pressure during a line switch was interesting. It was something I didn't know he had in his game.

I watch a lot of hockey, especially the 2 years the Blues were out of it. But Holloway was hidden so much on the Oilers he was truly an unknown. Crazy to think he played 50 games averaging 9 minutes and 40 averaging 11. They really didn't know what they had. They had no problem giving Kapanen 12 minutes a game this year. (admirable job what Kaps did in the playoffs) What a mismanagement of assets.

I have a feeling things are going to get rather toxic in Edmonton between what came out last summer and what will be in their future. According to reports last year, I believe it was Thomas hanging with McDavid and a couple of the other guys golfing or something and they were (upset) when they got the news those guys got offer sheeted.

[Harry York 37]

Oilers could have used one of the biggest risers of '25 for sure.....

That's interesting, wasn't he like the 4th most valuable contract this year too? I really hope he's able to put a couple years together and keep that momentum. The way he played it definitely looked like he could replicate the play, even if it's not in points totals. The amount of times he stripped the other team of the puck and caused extra forecheck pressure during a line switch was interesting. It was something I didn't know he had in his game.

I watch a lot of hockey, especially the 2 years the Blues were out of it. But Holloway was hidden so much on the Oilers he was truly an unknown. Crazy to think he played 50 games averaging 9 minutes and 40 averaging 11. They really didn't know what they had. They had no problem giving Kapanen 12 minutes a game this year. (admirable job what Kaps did in the playoffs) What a mismanagement of assets.

I have a feeling things are going to get rather toxic in Edmonton between what came out last summer and what will be in their future. According to reports last year, I believe it was Thomas hanging with McDavid and a couple of the other guys golfing or something and they were (upset) when they got the news those guys got offer sheeted.

Holloway and Broberg both shone brightly in the SC Playoffs last year.
A lot of us were talking about. Hols got benched in the finals for some kid mistakes and came back the next game on fire.
Broberg had an end to end rush for a goal in the finals.
They were shining….

[Cardsfanforlife]

They're a poorly constructed team. Amazing talent upfront, but no support to go all the way.

They were a goal away last year. You don’t do that with a poorly constructed team

Florida is head and shoulders better than the the 2nd best team in the world

what this makes me think of more than anything is, maybe the leafs werent that far off afterall, shame marner is leaving really!

they actually had FLA on the ropes in the 2nd round.

The Leafs were really good and all in. Game 3 was a shame

and they had the stones in game 6 , i didnt expect that. thought it wouldve been a fold job.

[stlblue06]

The Oil desperately need a real goalie, and some decent D. Until then, they'll be also-rans.

That’s been their team evaluation every offseason for the past 5+ years. They improved on their offensive depth outside of the big 2 but considering how much money they have spent on their forwards, it should be a lot better. There is a major drop off after Hyman. The bottom six didn’t contribute much especially compared to FLA.

EDM actually got really good goaltending through the first 3 rounds. After Skinner stumbled in the first 2 game, Pickerd went 6-0. Then Skinner came in a was top tier against Vegas and Dallas. Still when you have been trying to win the cup with 2 of the best players in the game, getting a secure #1 should have been done by now.


EDIT: It’s no secret but in what world did Nurse get a long term 10M a year contract! Similar question with Jones when he was with CBJ. Both are solid Dmen but nowhere near their contracts. I would expect trading with retaining a big chunk of Nurse’s contract is part of the Oil’s plan to somehow sign Bouchard and McDavid. After watching these finals, I would consider a sign/trade of Bouchard if they can get 1-2 solid young NHL players back while saving money.

[Bacchk29]

The Oil desperately need a real goalie, and some decent D. Until then, they'll be also-rans.

That’s been their team evaluation every offseason for the past 5+ years. They improved on their offensive depth outside of the big 2 but considering how much money they have spent on their forwards, it should be a lot better. There is a major drop off after Hyman. The bottom six didn’t contribute much especially compared to FLA.

EDM actually got really good goaltending through the first 3 rounds. After Skinner stumbled in the first 2 game, Pickerd went 6-0. Then Skinner came in a was top tier against Vegas and Dallas. Still when you have been trying to win the cup with 2 of the best players in the game, getting a secure #1 should have been done by now.

Everybody missing the fact that the Oil were missing Zach Hyman, a key piece of that team and probably the difference in the series. Edm would have had the depth at forward.

[theograce]

The Oil desperately need a real goalie, and some decent D. Until then, they'll be also-rans.

That’s been their team evaluation every offseason for the past 5+ years. They improved on their offensive depth outside of the big 2 but considering how much money they have spent on their forwards, it should be a lot better. There is a major drop off after Hyman. The bottom six didn’t contribute much especially compared to FLA.

EDM actually got really good goaltending through the first 3 rounds. After Skinner stumbled in the first 2 game, Pickerd went 6-0. Then Skinner came in a was top tier against Vegas and Dallas. Still when you have been trying to win the cup with 2 of the best players in the game, getting a secure #1 should have been done by now.

Why is it that you think their goaltending was really good in the first 3 rounds then poor in the final?

The Oilers dominated in the first 3 rounds. Then Florida was farrr too deep for them.

That’s what happened. The Oanthers could have beat the Oilers with any NHL goaltender

[sdaltons]

They're a poorly constructed team. Amazing talent upfront, but no support to go all the way.

They were a goal away last year. You don’t do that with a poorly constructed team

Florida is head and shoulders better than the the 2nd best team in the world

what this makes me think of more than anything is, maybe the leafs werent that far off afterall, shame marner is leaving really!

they actually had FLA on the ropes in the 2nd round.

The Leafs were really good and all in. Game 3 was a shame

and they had the stones in game 6 , i didnt expect that. thought it wouldve been a fold job.

Sadly Edmonton did not

[stlblue06]

The Oil desperately need a real goalie, and some decent D. Until then, they'll be also-rans.

That’s been their team evaluation every offseason for the past 5+ years. They improved on their offensive depth outside of the big 2 but considering how much money they have spent on their forwards, it should be a lot better. There is a major drop off after Hyman. The bottom six didn’t contribute much especially compared to FLA.

EDM actually got really good goaltending through the first 3 rounds. After Skinner stumbled in the first 2 game, Pickerd went 6-0. Then Skinner came in a was top tier against Vegas and Dallas. Still when you have been trying to win the cup with 2 of the best players in the game, getting a secure #1 should have been done by now.

Why is it that you think their goaltending was really good in the first 3 rounds then poor in the final?

The Oilers dominated in the first 3 rounds. Then Florida was farrr too deep for them.

That’s what happened. The Oanthers could have beat the Oilers with any NHL goaltender

lol that’s funny. When your goalie(s) let up 3+ in all 6 games, 4+ in 5 out of 6 then you got bad goaltending. The stats don’t lie and the eye test didn’t lie.

Skinner gave up momentum killing goals non stop without bailing his team out very often. For example, if Pickard didn’t stop that 1 on 1 prime scoring chance in game 4 when the score was still 0-3, EDM doesn’t come back to win. The same could be said for a potential EDM comeback by stopping any of FLA’s first 3 goals just last night. I can’t remember ant big saves from Skinner and I do remember FLA scoring 3 on 17 shots.

He was the opposite in the previous 2 rounds.